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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,969 Views)
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Lachie Mor
7 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
I seem to recall similar threads after Artmedia and Ross County. One difference between this weeks rantings and the Ross Co. example is that the absolute villain of the piece then was one Georgios Samaras. In both cases the manager - in time - turned things around and we enjoyed a degree of success at home and in Europe.

I always felt when Deila was appointed that there were players in the squad who simply could not or would not accept the development model put forward by both Ronny and John Collins i.e. if you work harder at your profession then you might/will get better.

At this point in time we are seeing the truth of this and the stuff about 'players revolts' and 'murmurings' are testament to it. I hope that Celtic have the bottle to see this project through and that those who are incapable of accepting this philosophy are shipped out and willing replacements brought in.

As for Ewan Cameron and his ilk, they are loving our present difficulties and will do all that they can to foment discord amongst the support. I noted his comment at the end of his article:

'If Celtic had a superb youth model which offset such circumstances, there would be less of an issue. They don’t.'

I would ask when he last watched any Celtic Youth side in action. They may not be Barcelona but they are without doubt the best that Scotland has to offer and with proper coaching and a commitment to playing them as a matter of development and not simply because someone is injured or the opposition is less than stellar some of them may grow into players of stature.

Time will tell but the knee jerk reactions in this thread are pathetic.
Im not a fan of Ewan Murray at all-a more cynical and negative sports journalist Ive yet to read but his piece is bang on how it is.
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7 Aug 2014, 12:59 PM
I'm no high-flyin' business man, but I'd have thought a good starting point for an ambitious club should be you don't create a conflict of interests the size of Jordan's breests by rewarding your CEO for weakening the team.

The set up at the club is wrong. No football club that is really focused on on-field success would have a bonus structure incentivising the CEO to sell players.
It's a tricky one alright - Lawwell is obviously an ideal guy for the money-men as he keeps the balance sheets looking good; problem is, there's a complete disconnect between that and the actual point of the football club; we've got no direction, no seeming plan to improve, and a seeming apathy growing and growing with the support.

There's only one group of people that can change that, and they're Lawwell's paymasters.
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7 Aug 2014, 12:54 PM
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7 Aug 2014, 12:49 PM
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7 Aug 2014, 12:40 PM

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Aye?

I reckon I've directly given Celtic less than £200 (spent a lot more following them about the place) since I rapped my season book at the end of the Mowbray season after 16 years of having it. Could see I was being taken for a mug and aye, I've often regretted it, but I still think it was the correct thing to do.

What's your criteria for a supporter then?
It's a strange attitude alright; the club treat you like a customer and then other fans (sorry, please accept my apologies if I'm not allowed to categorise myself as such) criticise you for acting like a customer (i.e. not giving them your money).
You are completely entitled to call yourself a fan as a fan is different from a supporter.
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7 Aug 2014, 01:27 PM
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7 Aug 2014, 12:54 PM
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7 Aug 2014, 12:49 PM

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It's a strange attitude alright; the club treat you like a customer and then other fans (sorry, please accept my apologies if I'm not allowed to categorise myself as such) criticise you for acting like a customer (i.e. not giving them your money).
You are completely entitled to call yourself a fan as a fan is different from a supporter.
Funny as this seems, I'm actually entitled to call myself whatever the heck I want, crazy as that sounds - in fact, I might just pull out my 'No.1 Celtic Supporter' mug right now.

If you want to be pedantic, I'll give you the Oxford English Dictionary definition of 'supporter.'
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7 Aug 2014, 12:59 PM
I'm no high-flyin' business man, but I'd have thought a good starting point for an ambitious club should be you don't create a conflict of interests the size of Jordan's breests by rewarding your CEO for weakening the team.

The set up at the club is wrong. No football club that is really focused on on-field success would have a bonus structure incentivising the CEO to sell players.
He's incentivised on the bottom line. How he goes about getting it is entirely up to him. Once again financially he has played a blinder but at the cost of the playing which is all the supporters care about.
While every department has been downsized his needs to be closely looked at.
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JamesJoyce
7 Aug 2014, 12:54 PM
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Aye?

I reckon I've directly given Celtic less than £200 (spent a lot more following them about the place) since I rapped my season book at the end of the Mowbray season after 16 years of having it. Could see I was being taken for a mug and aye, I've often regretted it, but I still think it was the correct thing to do.

What's your criteria for a supporter then?
It's a strange attitude alright; the club treat you like a customer and then other fans (sorry, please accept my apologies if I'm not allowed to categorise myself as such) criticise you for acting like a customer (i.e. not giving them your money).
It isn't really strange at all. If you have the financial/ geographical ability, and are interested in supporting Celtic, then the last four years of Neil Lennon's tenure as manager have produced some amazing highs, and are not short on spectacular lows either. If you haven't found reason to support the club financially during these years, then I doubt you ever will .
Celtic depend on financial support from the fanbase. It's how we try to compete with the obscene monies available in the big Leagues of Europe. If you choose not to put your hand in your pocket, that's fine. I'd be curious to know in what other ways you support the team.
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I uesd to think that the problems of Scottish football and Celtic in particular was caused by the 'Blazers'. Compared to the "businessmen" who run us and Scottish football now they seem like halcyon days.

I mean they were/are all arseholes and mostly on the take but at least they understood what football was. These new masters of the universe are every bit as clueless as the other ones at the banks and in politics.
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fatboab
7 Aug 2014, 01:34 PM
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7 Aug 2014, 12:54 PM
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It's a strange attitude alright; the club treat you like a customer and then other fans (sorry, please accept my apologies if I'm not allowed to categorise myself as such) criticise you for acting like a customer (i.e. not giving them your money).
It isn't really strange at all. If you have the financial/ geographical ability, and are interested in supporting Celtic, then the last four years of Neil Lennon's tenure as manager have produced some amazing highs, and are not short on spectacular lows either. If you haven't found reason to support the club financially during these years, then I doubt you ever will .
Celtic depend on financial support from the fanbase. It's how we try to compete with the obscene monies available in the big Leagues of Europe. If you choose not to put your hand in your pocket, that's fine. I'd be curious to know in what other ways you support the team.
I don't think that it's necessary to justify myself to you, but if it makes you happy; as I live in London, I'm not minded to blow my spare cash on going up to games when the board refuse to invest in the squad.

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7 Aug 2014, 01:32 PM
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You are completely entitled to call yourself a fan as a fan is different from a supporter.
Funny as this seems, I'm actually entitled to call myself whatever the heck I want, crazy as that sounds - in fact, I might just pull out my 'No.1 Celtic Supporter' mug right now.

If you want to be pedantic, I'll give you the Oxford English Dictionary definition of 'supporter.'
If its an official club mug then yes you have supported Celtic in the past, now you are a fan, I have google to so no problem with the definition of supporter.
A supporter in my mind is someone who financially supports the club in some fashion or other, whether by buying merchandise, seat tickets, Celtic TV, etc...
You are a fan of Celtic at the moment not a supporter of Celtic.
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7 Aug 2014, 10:41 AM
The campaign of deflection will begin in earnest today, and we can look forward to a " we have invested £35million in the team...... " style announcement very soon.

Of course, this will singularly fail to address the money we've taken in in player sales in the same timescale, and the paucity of the replacements for those sold, but the headline figure will be bandied about as a contradiction to all the criticism.

Wagons are being rounded up, and the corporate backlash is already under way. Anyone harbouring hopes of Lawwell being a victim of this had better think again.
Sadly I can't see this going any other way. They'll sacrifice Deila before anyone else.
Deila's mistake is to try to turn without the abilities he wants to see into his vision of the game- a rather bizarre approach when you have qualifiers coming up and not a penny to spend on players. Makes him the easiest target for first out the door before the root of the problem gets dealt with.
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7 Aug 2014, 01:44 PM
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Funny as this seems, I'm actually entitled to call myself whatever the heck I want, crazy as that sounds - in fact, I might just pull out my 'No.1 Celtic Supporter' mug right now.

If you want to be pedantic, I'll give you the Oxford English Dictionary definition of 'supporter.'
If its an official club mug then yes you have supported Celtic in the past, now you are a fan, I have google to so no problem with the definition of supporter.
A supporter in my mind is someone who financially supports the club in some fashion or other, whether by buying merchandise, seat tickets, Celtic TV, etc...
You are a fan of Celtic at the moment not a supporter of Celtic.
That's your opinion, you're entitled to it. Interesting that in your opinion, one has to give some sort of financial backing to be counted as a supporter. Fair enough, seems a little odd to me.
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7 Aug 2014, 01:44 PM
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Funny as this seems, I'm actually entitled to call myself whatever the heck I want, crazy as that sounds - in fact, I might just pull out my 'No.1 Celtic Supporter' mug right now.

If you want to be pedantic, I'll give you the Oxford English Dictionary definition of 'supporter.'
If its an official club mug then yes you have supported Celtic in the past, now you are a fan, I have google to so no problem with the definition of supporter.
A supporter in my mind is someone who financially supports the club in some fashion or other, whether by buying merchandise, seat tickets, Celtic TV, etc...
You are a fan of Celtic at the moment not a supporter of Celtic.
Aye right you are pedro :lol:
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7 Aug 2014, 01:47 PM
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7 Aug 2014, 01:32 PM

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If its an official club mug then yes you have supported Celtic in the past, now you are a fan, I have google to so no problem with the definition of supporter.
A supporter in my mind is someone who financially supports the club in some fashion or other, whether by buying merchandise, seat tickets, Celtic TV, etc...
You are a fan of Celtic at the moment not a supporter of Celtic.
That's your opinion, you're entitled to it. Interesting that in your opinion, one has to give some sort of financial backing to be counted as a supporter. Fair enough, seems a little odd to me.
If we didn't give financial backing their would be no Celtic for you to be a fan of.
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I always felt when Deila was appointed that there were players in the squad who simply could not or would not accept the development model put forward by both Ronny and John Collins i.e. if you work harder at your profession then you might/will get better.

At this point in time we are seeing the truth of this and the stuff about 'players revolts' and 'murmurings' are testament to it. I hope that Celtic have the bottle to see this project through and that those who are incapable of accepting this philosophy are shipped out and willing replacements brought in.


Agreed. I have no issue with a coach coming in and looking to implement his own ideas and not be scared or back down just because some players don't like it.

Those players needs to be shown the door!!
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I'm no high-flyin' business man, but I'd have thought a good starting point for an ambitious club should be you don't create a conflict of interests the size of Jordan's breests by rewarding your CEO for weakening the team.

The set up at the club is wrong. No football club that is really focused on on-field success would have a bonus structure incentivising the CEO to sell players.
It's a tricky one alright - Lawwell is obviously an ideal guy for the money-men as he keeps the balance sheets looking good; problem is, there's a complete disconnect between that and the actual point of the football club; we've got no direction, no seeming plan to improve, and a seeming apathy growing and growing with the support.

There's only one group of people that can change that, and they're Lawwell's paymasters.
In the short term he is doing a superb job in turning over profits for the Board at the expense of the quality on the park. In the long term I think his tenure will be viewed as a disaster for the club in years to come. Lawwell inherited a fully subscribed season ticket base that has been systematically eroded by his concentration on profits before players. The long term effects of driving twenty to twenty five thousand punters paying up front for season tickets will have serious repercussions for the club in years to come. That is his biggest crime.
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