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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,457 Views)
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Lobey Dosser
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12 Sep 2017, 08:38 AM
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Interesting Reagan says Sevco might, under the terms of the five way stitch up, be punished if it is found the Euro license was fraudulent. What did he say Murphio, I haven't caught up with his latest meanderings.
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pablo5
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12 Sep 2017, 08:40 AM
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Whatever it is, there's not enough of it
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After some eejit in blue tried to burn down Raith Rovers stadium the last time someone came out against the great SFA / Rangers carve up, you can't really blame smaller clubs for staying quiet.
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Mickeybhoy84
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12 Sep 2017, 08:42 AM
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I'm hoping that all of the clubs who have been punished by the SFA for registration errors, no matter how minor, join forces and demand a full investigation into Rangers.
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FenianJack
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12 Sep 2017, 08:44 AM
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An 'interview' that consists of nothing more than begging the question, red herrings, card-stacking and bandwagoning Duplicitous carrot ‘It’s only Celtic asking for a review’Pish ALAN PATTULLO
Stewart Regan invited reporters to Hampden yesterday to ask questions and hear why the SFA have resolved to reject calls for an independent judicial review into the handling of Rangers’ use of Employee Benefit Trusts.
The Scottish FA chief executive had spent the weekend reading reaction to Celtic’s statement on Saturday morning, which itself was a response to the SFA’s confirmation there would be no fresh independent judicial review.
This decision was taken by all eight members of the SFA board, which recently looked once more at the question after recent requests from the SPFL as well as Celtic. The SFA originally published a statement in July, following the Supreme Court ruling on Rangers’ use of EBTs, which resisted further disciplinary action.
According to a latest statement released yesterday by the SFA the board agreed to once again explore “the potential scope of any additional independent review in some detail” and arrived at the same conclusion, delivered last week.
The statement stressed that the events of the last six years regarding Rangers have already contributed to many amendments in the Scottish FA articles, including “clarity on what information is to be lodged within the context of players’ contracts” and “bolstering the duty of good faith”.
Regan revealed that seven of the eight members of the SFA board were present at the most recent meeting when the matter was again debated. “We have discussions but we never – or very rarely – have a situation where we make a decision without rigorous and robust debate,” he said. “But when we make a decision there’s
collective responsibility.”
The board’s decision not to sanction an independent
judicial review remained unchanged. Regan yesterday attempted to explain why.
Q Why no independent review – what do you have to hide?
A The decision has been taken as a board decision. It has been taken having
considered all of the facts that were on the table. As I have explained, since 2011 the board have relied heavily on advice from four QCs and three law lords, supporting us on that journey. We also have two independent directors on our board. Independence has been at the heart of everything
we’ve done.
Q If enough clubs want this, should they not be granted their wish?
A It’s a very good point. You are right. I am the chief executive, I report to the board, the board reports to the members. We have 108 members.
I notified the members last week of the decision and invited any comment from any member who felt there might be something they wish to discuss. Not a single phone call, not a single email, not a single letter has been received from any of our members other than Celtic Football Club and clearly we are aware of that matter.
Q Do you think we will ever draw a line under this?
A I think it would be really difficult to convince those who believe in conspiracies that there isn’t a conspiracy at play. My pushback to them is do we really think four QCs, three law lords, all the club execs, all the independent panel members are all part of some huge conspiracy?
We are doing this for the best interests of the game. We have spent too long looking through the rear view mirror
and we’ve failed to look at the road ahead of us. We talk so much about the negative things in Scottish football, we forget that we’ve just had a double header where we’ve beaten two teams in succession and got right back in contention.
The under-21s have just beaten Holland, they’ve just beaten
Brazil. We’ve had four successive qualifications for the under-17s, the women qualified for the Euros, we’ve got so much positivity. Young players [are] emerging, [Kieran] Tierney and [Andy] Robertson, pictured. There’s so much positivity and yet we are obsessed with dealing with things relating to the past. We have to be able to move on.
Q Often said to be at the heart of all this is a desire to strip titles from Rangers? Is this still a possibility?
A I would actually say Celtic have gone to great lengths in their letters to emphasise that it is not about title stripping, that it is about process and learning. I think for some people out there, some stakeholders, groups, fans, maybe title stripping is at the heart of it for them.
But that matter has been discussed by the SPFL and a line has been drawn under it by the SPFL and they have moved on. Celtic are looking for a review which talks about transparency and lessons. As a board we discussed that and felt for all the reasons highlighted in our press statement that we have [already] learned so much.
Q Has your relationship with Peter Lawwell [Celtic chief executive] been damaged in any way?
A I have got a great relationship with Peter. We actually sat [next to each other] at the Champions League draw, while all these letters [published on line last week] were being exchanged. He understands my position, I am
acting in the best interests of the game.
Q Will you consider your own future?
A No.
Alan Pattullo. The most faithful of all Murray's lamb scoffing lapdogs 
He may well be, but too many of them are baws deep in this, and it makes Regan's deceits so much easier ... as both parties are so well aware. My pushback to them is do we really think four QCs, three law lords, all the club execs, all the independent panel members are all part of some huge conspiracy?
That's like something straight out of The Simpsons. How could such smart smart people be wrong you stupid little people, Enron Emerald.
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lenobhoy
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12 Sep 2017, 08:45 AM
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Catch some light and it'll be alright
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- 12 Sep 2017, 08:25 AM
Interesting Reagan says Sevco might, under the terms of the five way stitch up, be punished if it is found the Euro license was fraudulent.
Huns get punished? Murph you need yer morning coffee bud Did we get fined more from poaching TB from Kilmarnock than the Huns fine for cheating?
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Dubz
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12 Sep 2017, 08:45 AM
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No need to apologise and no one else is behind what I post. I haven't explained myself too well but it really doesn't take the sharpest! Would we win on our own? Would we weaken ourselves in the process?
So you feel we should back off from taking the corrupt to task on this, on account of the cowardice of the chairmen of other clubs ? Do you know what the definition of character is? Doing the right thing when nobody's looking. We're doing the right thing.We have smart people at our club and among our support. We have right on our side, there is overwhelming evidence of malfeasance. We were cheated, we were lied to, we lost income, we lost prestige, we lost leagues and cups that we should have won, we lost good players, we lost access to the CL, we had to " know our place " when we were ridiculed by Sir  tenners for fivers, and by those excuses for journalists still churning out their Sevco PR We were told we were paranoid, our kids came home devastated at coming so close, but ultimately losing to a financially doped, hubristic shower of cheats. Oh and just to crown it all, once the cheats were rumbled, those tasked with implementing the rules, ignored and bent the rules to facilitate the cheats, to more or less carry on as normal, even to the extent of declaring them the same club. Yeah, let's back off because it's going to be difficult. Eff that.
I think I can safely say Mr D doesn't win many arguments in the hoose.
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Willie Wonka
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12 Sep 2017, 08:51 AM
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- 12 Sep 2017, 08:25 AM
Interesting Reagan says Sevco might, under the terms of the five way stitch up, be punished if it is found the Euro license was fraudulent.
Huns get punished? Murph you need yer morning coffee bud  Did we get fined more from poaching TB from Kilmarnock than the Huns fine for cheating? It was £500k iirc, so x2 what the hun got. Seem to remember some sfa gymnastics when the deid ones tapped up wattie too.
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qualitystreetkid
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12 Sep 2017, 08:56 AM
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 Did we get fined more from poaching TB from Kilmarnock than the Huns fine for cheating?
It was £500k iirc, so x2 what the hun got. Seem to remember some sfa gymnastics when the deid ones tapped up wattie too. Not £100k?
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One sharp cookie
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12 Sep 2017, 08:57 AM
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All this talk of boycotts, threats to other clubs, non cooperation etc etc is all a bit hunesque if you ask me.
Carry on as normal and let our legal team deal with it and see what happens - there is a pile of shampoo about to be brought out here and the SFA acting outraged and appealing to everyone to move on isn't going to change eff all. Not only is it hunesque, the only people it would really punish is us. Our fans would be deprived great away day trips and Cup Finals. There'd be no more trebles to celebrate. Our Scottish players - most of whom probably couldn't care less about events at Ibrox - would be deprived of international careers and the possibility of playing at a World Cup. And this is supposed to punish the SFA and the rest of Scottish football? Bonkers.
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12 Sep 2017, 08:59 AM
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No need to apologise and no one else is behind what I post. I haven't explained myself too well but it really doesn't take the sharpest! Would we win on our own? Would we weaken ourselves in the process?
So you feel we should back off from taking the corrupt to task on this, on account of the cowardice of the chairmen of other clubs ? Do you know what the definition of character is? Doing the right thing when nobody's looking. We're doing the right thing.We have smart people at our club and among our support. We have right on our side, there is overwhelming evidence of malfeasance. We were cheated, we were lied to, we lost income, we lost prestige, we lost leagues and cups that we should have won, we lost good players, we lost access to the CL, we had to " know our place " when we were ridiculed by Sir  tenners for fivers, and by those excuses for journalists still churning out their Sevco PR We were told we were paranoid, our kids came home devastated at coming so close, but ultimately losing to a financially doped, hubristic shower of cheats. Oh and just to crown it all, once the cheats were rumbled, those tasked with implementing the rules, ignored and bent the rules to facilitate the cheats, to more or less carry on as normal, even to the extent of declaring them the same club. Yeah, let's back off because it's going to be difficult. Eff that.
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12 Sep 2017, 09:06 AM
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After some eejit in blue tried to burn down Raith Rovers stadium the last time someone came out against the great SFA / Rangers carve up, you can't really blame smaller clubs for staying quiet. Exactly. This has never been about doing the right thing, and it's nothing to do with masonic conspiracies.
This is about a group of individuals choosing the option which they believe causes the least amount of hassle. They believe there will be greater fallout (to them and/or to Scottish football) from stripping the titles than not stripping the titles.
They decided at the start what the safest outcome would be, and everything since then has been geared towards supporting that outcome. They're in too deep for their mind to be changed, and as the decision was never based on right/wrong, any argument there will be meaningless on its own.
The only way this will change is if stripping the titles becomes the easier option. That isn't going to happen because of supporters, it's going to happen if/when Celtic force the issue - and by whatever means necessary. We're the biggest player in Scottish football.
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Willie Wonka
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12 Sep 2017, 09:12 AM
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It was £500k iirc, so x2 what the hun got. Seem to remember some sfa gymnastics when the deid ones tapped up wattie too.
Not £100k? aye so it was, its an age thing
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12 Sep 2017, 09:14 AM
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Not £100k?
aye so it was,  its an age thing I think we had legal fees and that to pay also. It ended up around £500k.
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qualitystreetkid
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12 Sep 2017, 09:17 AM
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aye so it was,  its an age thing
I think we had legal fees and that to pay also. It ended up around £500k. The legal fees accrued from challenging the then Scottish record fine?
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12 Sep 2017, 09:20 AM
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All this talk of boycotts, threats to other clubs, non cooperation etc etc is all a bit hunesque if you ask me.
Carry on as normal and let our legal team deal with it and see what happens - there is a pile of shampoo about to be brought out here and the SFA acting outraged and appealing to everyone to move on isn't going to change eff all.
This. I'm not of a view to punish any other club,or potentially stop our players playing international football over this,we all know who the real targets in this should be. No way would lawwell have issued that statement if we aren't going all the way on this. I'm convinced now that the club are on this.
I would tend to tell Rod Petrie to suck my fat one if Hibs came looking for a loan player. No, no. We should give them more players to assist in their bright future.
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murphio
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12 Sep 2017, 09:21 AM
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Could start a row in an empty room
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The Burns fine was 100k which was still way over anything that came before; irrc the previous highest was 25k. The SFA has always been a law onto itself. A question; has even one newspaper reported that Rangers defrauded Everton over Michael Ball's transfer to PSV?
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12 Sep 2017, 09:24 AM
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I think the 500k was the figure the SFA fleeced us for using Hampden.
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12 Sep 2017, 09:35 AM
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So the SPFL which has 42 members has called for an enquiry. But the SFA which has the same members plus the lower leagues says there is no support for an enquiry. And 3 clubs which are members of the SPFL have declared they don't support a call for enquiry.
There's a lot of contradictory stances going on!
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12 Sep 2017, 09:36 AM
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I think the 500k was the figure the SFA fleeced us for using Hampden.
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There was also £300,000 in fines and costs on Celtic for engaging a manager who had made clear his wish to join us. A manager who was in the last year of his contract with Kilmarnock and was earning £40,000 a year
Not quite £500k, but I remembered there was costs over and above the fine.
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12 Sep 2017, 09:37 AM
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Contract up for renewal, now on a diet and trying harder.
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The Burns fine was 100k which was still way over anything that came before; irrc the previous highest was 25k. The SFA has always been a law onto itself. A question; has even one newspaper reported that Rangers defrauded Everton over Michael Ball's transfer to PSV? The £100k fine taking inflation into consideration from 1994 to 2012 is the equivalent of £175k in 2012 terms.
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