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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,970 Views)
liger05
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7 Aug 2014, 11:15 AM
We were awful in Europe last season. We've known since early on last season that we'd be playing CL qualifiers right at the start of this season. That's why I can't fathom why the recruitment process for improving the squad didn't seem to start until about 24 hours before the first leg against Legia. We should have been active in the transfer market since the turn of the year.
This.

There is no foresight or vision just a mere hope that the club will qualify rather than given it the best opportunity to do so.
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Just our luck to be owned (well I say owned - the fact that he keeps his shareholding just below the limit where he would obliged to buy the rest of the shares says it all for me) by the world's one and only frugal billionaire owner. :ph43r:
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brianlara67
7 Aug 2014, 11:43 AM
Just our luck to be owned (well I say owned - the fact that he keeps his shareholding just below the limit where he would obliged to buy the rest of the shares says it all for me) by the world's one and only frugal billionaire owner. :ph43r:
He cant just give the club money though, even if he wanted to.
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7 Aug 2014, 11:07 AM
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7 Aug 2014, 09:21 AM
For me, the boards attitude is summed up in their sales pitch this year 'because'. Really bugging me. No actual tangible reason to buy your season ticket, merchandise etc apart from 'because' we always have. Not because they are producing a good footballing side, not because they are investing in the club to produce a side which is competitive and exciting, but 'because' we are the ' best fans in the world', 'because' we always have' blah blah blah.

The entire sales pitch epitomises the clubs attitude in how it takes the fan base for granted. And now it is coming home to roost.
Unfortunately.


I've intended posting my thoughts in this thread for as long as it's been going, without rambling on and on and on. southern bhoy has pretty much nailed it for me.

Those who run football clubs are 'Bosses', and at the end of the day, The Boss will always try to squeeze his workers to get more out of them for less in return. The Boss takes liberties here and there - shortening tea breaks, cutting bonuses etc - to see how much he can gain at the workers’ expense. Some stunts he'll get away with, others will fail, but Bosses are emboldened by their apparent successes, so they continue to push and push and push. The wiser ones know when to ease up, others lose sight of the overall aim and end up pushing the workers so far that business suffers. Workers find themselves demotivated, worn down by years of steadily worsening conditions. Some plod on without an ounce of goodwill, putting in bare minimum effort; others just quit. Then there are those who remember what a good job it used to be and how relatively reasonable The Boss had been: rather than putting up with it or walking away, they take action to show The Boss the error of his ways and improve their conditions. This is the position our Boss – the PLC/Desmond/Lawwell – finds itself in, after years of liberty taking has pushed our goodwill to breaking point; and our options as supporters are either putting up with the continued deterioration in the vague hope it will get better, giving up on Celtic until bogey men leave, or taking action to convince them the error of their ways.

Like southern bhoy’s observations, I read another, thought provoking point earlier in the thread, where someone reckoned things have become so skewed at Celtic now that football operations (for want of a better term) is geared towards supporting business operations. That really is fecked up, it’s perverse. What is the point of Celtic, if not to make faithful supporters happy with good, successful football? Happy enough to want to return, year in, year out, generation after generation, supporting their team financially and emotionally? We don’t and have never supported directors: we support our players and coaches, we regard them and our fellow supporters as the most important, most valued people at the club. They are our focus, and we are right to expect those who are paid – and paid handsomely – to generate as much income for the club as they can, to be similarly focused. They have, quite literally, taken their eye off the ball, it’s down to us to help them refocus.

The bogey men aren’t going anywhere, any time soon. Securing that position in the SFA now makes Lawwell bombproof, but he speaks the language of business. If we want the liberty-taking to stop, we must speak to them in business terms and hit them in the pocket. They cut season ticket prices after seeing crowds drop, so we know they are prepared to bow to fan pressure. That was in response to individual fans just drifting away, we should assume carefully planned, collective protest - with all the attendant negative publicity they are so desperate to spare their beloved sponsors from – will force change.



We really shouldnt be surprised that tories are acting like tories.

Ive bought my season ticket, but I wont be spending another penny until these bastards are removed.
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they have effed up big time, and i think the only way we can change how our club is run is to hit them in the pocket, as much as it would pain me, if things dont improve and those in power seem happy to let us decline further, i wont be lining their pockets and will cancel direct debit and give up my S/T. only way they will care. boycotts while we still pay them wont make a difference, money is what they care about. starve them of our hard earned money
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I totally agree with points in Aldos post - I dont pour huge amounts of money into the club as I dont have any, but in terms of time and emotional investment I do. More than is sensible.

As much as it might further hang RD out I think ST holders should be staying away, handing their STs back, avoid buying kit and tat from the stores.

Letter writing: never popular on here :lol: but how to explain why the hard earned isnt forthcoming? Ae AGMs really the best way to communicate what we expect from the club?
Its not just 'spend money', is it? Its not all at RDs door. The clubs working process, our ideas for combating the media money steroids arent working as they should. We are in marked decline.

Cant see Celts for change or Sack the board working at this minute, especially when Fergus is due back - the message could get very confused. But CSCs could try to find consensus - acceptance of our domestic surroundings would be the first hurdle to clear. Thats a hard one, which is why we are at odds as how to improve the club. We can challenge the board to set targets for youth/project player take up to be set, ask that measures put in place in to our financial model dont cause us as a club, a sporting enterprise, to go into reverse. But we should accept our limitations, at present, to be able to deal with those limitations presently. Someone, supporters representation has to tell the Kaiser that we are in Scotland at the moment and that its jam today.

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A boycott might force the board to buy a couple of players but it's not going to provide a long-term solution. What we need is directors with a bit of imagination, ambition and a long-term strategy for moving the club forward. I don't see the current incumbents ever being able to do this.
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This past week has seen countless critical comments on the suitability of Deila and his baffling approach to the two Legia games.

I would have thought that with such scathing comment we would shortly have a public statement backing up the new appointee.

What do have you to say Mr Lawwell, all is well ? Things are going to plan ? Just bedding in problems ? Or are you too busy with your other football interests ? A broadside of spin can be expected, but I doubt he'll put his head above the parapet though.

For me , the sooner he gets his arse out of Celtic Park the happier I'll be.

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I'm surprised that it's taken people so long for people to get to the point of not giving them any more money tbh - I haven't given them a penny since Hapoel Tel Aviv beat us under Mowbray.

I hope that more people begin to vote with their feet/wallet!
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JamesJoyce
7 Aug 2014, 12:36 PM
I haven't given them a penny since Hapoel Tel Aviv beat us under Mowbray.

really?

If that is the case, you can't really consider yourself a supporter.
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fatboab
7 Aug 2014, 12:40 PM
JamesJoyce
7 Aug 2014, 12:36 PM
I haven't given them a penny since Hapoel Tel Aviv beat us under Mowbray.

really?

If that is the case, you can't really consider yourself a supporter.
Oh really? Should I just log off then? Thanks for clearing that up for me!
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I'm not particularly angry about last night, the prospect of losing some of our only decent players, or even the horror show that may well be ahead of us in the coming weeks and months.

It's the last 2 years that really pisses me off.

We've had a unique opportunity to do whatever the hell we like without the pressure of any proper domestic competition. We could've plugged all our resources into a proper youth set up; totally changed how we play; changed the managerial structure; changed the business model. The possibilities are pretty much endless.

Instead we've taken the most unimaginative route possible, and just treaded water. Keep things tight till the huns get back.

I know we love to think that the huns are inconsequential but as far as this board is concerned they are embedded in our future plans. They're the light at the end of the tunnel. Effing sickening.
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I seem to recall similar threads after Artmedia and Ross County. One difference between this weeks rantings and the Ross Co. example is that the absolute villain of the piece then was one Georgios Samaras. In both cases the manager - in time - turned things around and we enjoyed a degree of success at home and in Europe.

I always felt when Deila was appointed that there were players in the squad who simply could not or would not accept the development model put forward by both Ronny and John Collins i.e. if you work harder at your profession then you might/will get better.

At this point in time we are seeing the truth of this and the stuff about 'players revolts' and 'murmurings' are testament to it. I hope that Celtic have the bottle to see this project through and that those who are incapable of accepting this philosophy are shipped out and willing replacements brought in.

As for Ewan Cameron and his ilk, they are loving our present difficulties and will do all that they can to foment discord amongst the support. I noted his comment at the end of his article:

'If Celtic had a superb youth model which offset such circumstances, there would be less of an issue. They don’t.'

I would ask when he last watched any Celtic Youth side in action. They may not be Barcelona but they are without doubt the best that Scotland has to offer and with proper coaching and a commitment to playing them as a matter of development and not simply because someone is injured or the opposition is less than stellar some of them may grow into players of stature.

Time will tell but the knee jerk reactions in this thread are pathetic.
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Lachie Mor
7 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
I seem to recall similar threads after Artmedia and Ross County. One difference between this weeks rantings and the Ross Co. example is that the absolute villain of the piece then was one Georgios Samaras. In both cases the manager - in time - turned things around and we enjoyed a degree of success at home and in Europe.

I always felt when Deila was appointed that there were players in the squad who simply could not or would not accept the development model put forward by both Ronny and John Collins i.e. if you work harder at your profession then you might/will get better.

At this point in time we are seeing the truth of this and the stuff about 'players revolts' and 'murmurings' are testament to it. I hope that Celtic have the bottle to see this project through and that those who are incapable of accepting this philosophy are shipped out and willing replacements brought in.

As for Ewan Cameron and his ilk, they are loving our present difficulties and will do all that they can to foment discord amongst the support. I noted his comment at the end of his article:

'If Celtic had a superb youth model which offset such circumstances, there would be less of an issue. They don’t.'

I would ask when he last watched any Celtic Youth side in action. They may not be Barcelona but they are without doubt the best that Scotland has to offer and with proper coaching and a commitment to playing them as a matter of development and not simply because someone is injured or the opposition is less than stellar some of them may grow into players of stature.

Time will tell but the knee jerk reactions in this thread are pathetic.
It's Ewan Murray.

When was the last time you watched the Celtic youth team? Just because they win the league every year, doesn't mean they are any good. The purpose should be to develop players and bring them through to first team. Our coaches care more about winning the tournaments. We are failing badly in youth development given the resources we put behind it.
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fatboab
7 Aug 2014, 12:40 PM
JamesJoyce
7 Aug 2014, 12:36 PM
I haven't given them a penny since Hapoel Tel Aviv beat us under Mowbray.

really?

If that is the case, you can't really consider yourself a supporter.
Aye?

I reckon I've directly given Celtic less than £200 (spent a lot more following them about the place) since I rapped my season book at the end of the Mowbray season after 16 years of having it. Could see I was being taken for a mug and aye, I've often regretted it, but I still think it was the correct thing to do.

What's your criteria for a supporter then?
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Lachie Mor
7 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
I seem to recall similar threads after Artmedia and Ross County. One difference between this weeks rantings and the Ross Co. example is that the absolute villain of the piece then was one Georgios Samaras. In both cases the manager - in time - turned things around and we enjoyed a degree of success at home and in Europe.

I always felt when Deila was appointed that there were players in the squad who simply could not or would not accept the development model put forward by both Ronny and John Collins i.e. if you work harder at your profession then you might/will get better.

At this point in time we are seeing the truth of this and the stuff about 'players revolts' and 'murmurings' are testament to it. I hope that Celtic have the bottle to see this project through and that those who are incapable of accepting this philosophy are shipped out and willing replacements brought in.

As for Ewan Cameron and his ilk, they are loving our present difficulties and will do all that they can to foment discord amongst the support. I noted his comment at the end of his article:

'If Celtic had a superb youth model which offset such circumstances, there would be less of an issue. They don’t.'

I would ask when he last watched any Celtic Youth side in action. They may not be Barcelona but they are without doubt the best that Scotland has to offer and with proper coaching and a commitment to playing them as a matter of development and not simply because someone is injured or the opposition is less than stellar some of them may grow into players of stature.

Time will tell but the knee jerk reactions in this thread are pathetic.
None of the reactions have been pathetic and, it must be said, Murray's article was bang on the money.
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OptimusCheese
7 Aug 2014, 12:49 PM
fatboab
7 Aug 2014, 12:40 PM
JamesJoyce
7 Aug 2014, 12:36 PM
I haven't given them a penny since Hapoel Tel Aviv beat us under Mowbray.

really?

If that is the case, you can't really consider yourself a supporter.
Aye?

I reckon I've directly given Celtic less than £200 (spent a lot more following them about the place) since I rapped my season book at the end of the Mowbray season after 16 years of having it. Could see I was being taken for a mug and aye, I've often regretted it, but I still think it was the correct thing to do.

What's your criteria for a supporter then?
It's a strange attitude alright; the club treat you like a customer and then other fans (sorry, please accept my apologies if I'm not allowed to categorise myself as such) criticise you for acting like a customer (i.e. not giving them your money).
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Mubo Loravcik
7 Aug 2014, 12:51 PM
Lachie Mor
7 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
I seem to recall similar threads after Artmedia and Ross County. One difference between this weeks rantings and the Ross Co. example is that the absolute villain of the piece then was one Georgios Samaras. In both cases the manager - in time - turned things around and we enjoyed a degree of success at home and in Europe.

I always felt when Deila was appointed that there were players in the squad who simply could not or would not accept the development model put forward by both Ronny and John Collins i.e. if you work harder at your profession then you might/will get better.

At this point in time we are seeing the truth of this and the stuff about 'players revolts' and 'murmurings' are testament to it. I hope that Celtic have the bottle to see this project through and that those who are incapable of accepting this philosophy are shipped out and willing replacements brought in.

As for Ewan Cameron and his ilk, they are loving our present difficulties and will do all that they can to foment discord amongst the support. I noted his comment at the end of his article:

'If Celtic had a superb youth model which offset such circumstances, there would be less of an issue. They don’t.'

I would ask when he last watched any Celtic Youth side in action. They may not be Barcelona but they are without doubt the best that Scotland has to offer and with proper coaching and a commitment to playing them as a matter of development and not simply because someone is injured or the opposition is less than stellar some of them may grow into players of stature.

Time will tell but the knee jerk reactions in this thread are pathetic.
None of the reactions have been pathetic and, it must be said, Murray's article was bang on the money.
Murray has form with Celtic in the past, but I too thought his article hit the nail on the head, and certainly chimed with a great deal of the comments on here over the past week.
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I'm no high-flyin' business man, but I'd have thought a good starting point for an ambitious club should be you don't create a conflict of interests the size of Jordan's breests by rewarding your CEO for weakening the team.

The set up at the club is wrong. No football club that is really focused on on-field success would have a bonus structure incentivising the CEO to sell players.
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remy mcswain
7 Aug 2014, 12:49 PM
Lachie Mor
7 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
I seem to recall similar threads after Artmedia and Ross County. One difference between this weeks rantings and the Ross Co. example is that the absolute villain of the piece then was one Georgios Samaras. In both cases the manager - in time - turned things around and we enjoyed a degree of success at home and in Europe.

I always felt when Deila was appointed that there were players in the squad who simply could not or would not accept the development model put forward by both Ronny and John Collins i.e. if you work harder at your profession then you might/will get better.

At this point in time we are seeing the truth of this and the stuff about 'players revolts' and 'murmurings' are testament to it. I hope that Celtic have the bottle to see this project through and that those who are incapable of accepting this philosophy are shipped out and willing replacements brought in.

As for Ewan Cameron and his ilk, they are loving our present difficulties and will do all that they can to foment discord amongst the support. I noted his comment at the end of his article:

'If Celtic had a superb youth model which offset such circumstances, there would be less of an issue. They don’t.'

I would ask when he last watched any Celtic Youth side in action. They may not be Barcelona but they are without doubt the best that Scotland has to offer and with proper coaching and a commitment to playing them as a matter of development and not simply because someone is injured or the opposition is less than stellar some of them may grow into players of stature.

Time will tell but the knee jerk reactions in this thread are pathetic.
It's Ewan Murray.

When was the last time you watched the Celtic youth team? Just because they win the league every year, doesn't mean they are any good. The purpose should be to develop players and bring them through to first team. Our coaches care more about winning the tournaments. We are failing badly in youth development given the resources we put behind it.
I accept your correction about Ewan Murray - a slip of the finger on the keyboard. The youth players concerned form the basis of our international teams and others represent their national sides. I have seen several matches with the youth sides both down here and on Celtic T.V. which covered the Euro games in full and highlights of all the other games.

Not all of the players are duds - by the way neither are all those in the first team. As for Murray's article it is only 'bang on the money' if you buy into that version of events since the end of last season and Neil Lennon's departure.

I don't - so shoot me!

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