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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,971 Views)
liger05
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The way the club operates in terms of player recruitment is beyond a joke.

The club were full aware there was a chance Forster could go but god forbid the money earned would be used to buy a replacement. No Celtic sign a keeper of a free who hasn’t played for 2 years.

How can that be justified?

The club has no ambition at all, no vision and no plan of where it wants to be.

Deila may end up being a success but again his appointment was more down to the club not being able to attract so went for the cheap option and somebody who would never turn us down regardless of the lack of transfer funds.

We need to get away from signing projects and hope that we have a gem and instead sign some proven quality better than what we already have. It’s like we have a scattergun approach signing 3 or 4 players hoping one will come good.

Now Lawell tries to be clever and use Sevco as an example of why we must be prudent but nobody is saying we operate like the do.
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paulfg42
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fatboab
7 Aug 2014, 10:41 AM
The campaign of deflection will begin in earnest today, and we can look forward to a " we have invested £35million in the team...... " style announcement very soon.

Of course, this will singularly fail to address the money we've taken in in player sales in the same timescale, and the paucity of the replacements for those sold, but the headline figure will be bandied about as a contradiction to all the criticism.

Wagons are being rounded up, and the corporate backlash is already under way. Anyone harbouring hopes of Lawwell being a victim of this had better think again.
If they think they can convince anyone that they've been building or even maintaining the quality of the team, then they're stupid. And supporters will drift away in even greater numbers.
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off with their heads!
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fatboab
7 Aug 2014, 10:41 AM
The campaign of deflection will begin in earnest today, and we can look forward to a " we have invested £35million in the team...... " style announcement very soon.

Of course, this will singularly fail to address the money we've taken in in player sales in the same timescale, and the paucity of the replacements for those sold, but the headline figure will be bandied about as a contradiction to all the criticism.

Wagons are being rounded up, and the corporate backlash is already under way. Anyone harbouring hopes of Lawwell being a victim of this had better think again.
That might have been bought by the majority a year or so ago but not now. I'll think any statement like that would just pour petrol on the flames at this point.
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Ewan Murray's article in the Guardian today largely nails it.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/07/celtic-europe-highlights-lack-ambition-glasgow?CMP=twt_gu

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A curious thing happens when British clubs appoint a hitherto unknown foreign manager. Supporters who had never themselves heard of said coach before adopt an immediate defence mechanism against anybody who raises an eyebrow.

This happened most recently in Glasgow, when Celtic unveiled Ronny Deila. Within hours of his name entering the public domain, the 38-year-old was being heralded as a Norwegian coaching genius.

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Edited by Smiley, 7 Aug 2014, 11:01 AM.
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Can anyone remember this classic interview from just 6 months ago? So what happened then, Peter?

'Neil will have substantial funds to spend in the summer,’ said Lawwell.

‘We’re in arguably the best financial state we’ve ever been in but it makes no sense to keep the money in the bank. We want to invest in the club by investing in good footballers that create value for the club.

‘Celtic can buy a £6-8m player if the value is there.

‘We would not buy a 29-year-old at £8m on a four-year contract at £40,000 a week because that is dead money. But if there’s value in signing an £8m player we will look at it.’


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southern bhoy
7 Aug 2014, 09:21 AM
For me, the boards attitude is summed up in their sales pitch this year 'because'. Really bugging me. No actual tangible reason to buy your season ticket, merchandise etc apart from 'because' we always have. Not because they are producing a good footballing side, not because they are investing in the club to produce a side which is competitive and exciting, but 'because' we are the ' best fans in the world', 'because' we always have' blah blah blah.

The entire sales pitch epitomises the clubs attitude in how it takes the fan base for granted. And now it is coming home to roost.
Unfortunately.


I've intended posting my thoughts in this thread for as long as it's been going, without rambling on and on and on. southern bhoy has pretty much nailed it for me.

Those who run football clubs are 'Bosses', and at the end of the day, The Boss will always try to squeeze his workers to get more out of them for less in return. The Boss takes liberties here and there - shortening tea breaks, cutting bonuses etc - to see how much he can gain at the workers’ expense. Some stunts he'll get away with, others will fail, but Bosses are emboldened by their apparent successes, so they continue to push and push and push. The wiser ones know when to ease up, others lose sight of the overall aim and end up pushing the workers so far that business suffers. Workers find themselves demotivated, worn down by years of steadily worsening conditions. Some plod on without an ounce of goodwill, putting in bare minimum effort; others just quit. Then there are those who remember what a good job it used to be and how relatively reasonable The Boss had been: rather than putting up with it or walking away, they take action to show The Boss the error of his ways and improve their conditions. This is the position our Boss – the PLC/Desmond/Lawwell – finds itself in, after years of liberty taking has pushed our goodwill to breaking point; and our options as supporters are either putting up with the continued deterioration in the vague hope it will get better, giving up on Celtic until bogey men leave, or taking action to convince them the error of their ways.

Like southern bhoy’s observations, I read another, thought provoking point earlier in the thread, where someone reckoned things have become so skewed at Celtic now that football operations (for want of a better term) is geared towards supporting business operations. That really is fecked up, it’s perverse. What is the point of Celtic, if not to make faithful supporters happy with good, successful football? Happy enough to want to return, year in, year out, generation after generation, supporting their team financially and emotionally? We don’t and have never supported directors: we support our players and coaches, we regard them and our fellow supporters as the most important, most valued people at the club. They are our focus, and we are right to expect those who are paid – and paid handsomely – to generate as much income for the club as they can, to be similarly focused. They have, quite literally, taken their eye off the ball, it’s down to us to help them refocus.

The bogey men aren’t going anywhere, any time soon. Securing that position in the SFA now makes Lawwell bombproof, but he speaks the language of business. If we want the liberty-taking to stop, we must speak to them in business terms and hit them in the pocket. They cut season ticket prices after seeing crowds drop, so we know they are prepared to bow to fan pressure. That was in response to individual fans just drifting away, we should assume carefully planned, collective protest - with all the attendant negative publicity they are so desperate to spare their beloved sponsors from – will force change.



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fatboab
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good post Aldo ^^^
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To sum up this thread, the post match Legia thread and the Deila thread...

I'm absolutely scunnered with everything going at the club just now.
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said it before and will say again PL has no curb on his power at Celtic and that is a recipe for disaster

retaining some sense of perspective on his reign his glory years were strachan's reigning back of spending yet delivering 3iar if not entertainingly

whether from that period or not he seemed to develop a messiah complex regarding his ability to stay one step ahead of the huns and ballsed things up royally for a period (including his pick of TM)

over the 11 years he's been there the academy has failed to develop anything like a quality throughput - whether that is because of quality of scottish players or the coaching it has not delivered (mcgeady was self taught) - but it has been starved of real investment and is run by PL not the football management team. I know the last management team despaired of the quality

when you add the control he and JP have over purchases and his believe that he can deliver value there (when Alan Thompson identified FF, Mjallby VVD, Parker Gary Hooper) without investment it really is a wing and a prayer for us

finally there has been no change of environment - talk of british cup, atlantic league etc etc remains just talk

Peter is not delivering any vision or allowing any development as a club - he may be great at politicking and getting us represented at SFA and UEFA level but there is no evdicence on the park that we are progressing

Time to move on to SFA or UEFA Peter and allow a non-accountant to run the club - Sevilliano post on Gary's login
Edited by gary1971, 7 Aug 2014, 11:15 AM.
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One sharp cookie
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We were awful in Europe last season. We've known since early on last season that we'd be playing CL qualifiers right at the start of this season. That's why I can't fathom why the recruitment process for improving the squad didn't seem to start until about 24 hours before the first leg against Legia. We should have been active in the transfer market since the turn of the year.
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Can anyone tell me the last time DD was actually at a game? I'm of the opinion that he's lost all interest in the club..


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ronan cfc
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Big_Bobo_Balde
7 Aug 2014, 11:16 AM
Can anyone tell me the last time DD was actually at a game? I'm of the opinion that he's lost all interest in the club..


I thought he was at the away leg. If that didn't show him that we need investment nothing will.
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Big_Bobo_Balde
7 Aug 2014, 11:16 AM
Can anyone tell me the last time DD was actually at a game? I'm of the opinion that he's lost all interest in the club..


He was in Poland last week.
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fatboab
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remy mcswain
7 Aug 2014, 11:18 AM
Big_Bobo_Balde
7 Aug 2014, 11:16 AM
Can anyone tell me the last time DD was actually at a game? I'm of the opinion that he's lost all interest in the club..


He was in Poland last week.
there are golf courses in Poland?????????? :rubeyes:
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fatboab
7 Aug 2014, 11:20 AM
remy mcswain
7 Aug 2014, 11:18 AM
Big_Bobo_Balde
7 Aug 2014, 11:16 AM
Can anyone tell me the last time DD was actually at a game? I'm of the opinion that he's lost all interest in the club..


He was in Poland last week.
there are golf courses in Poland?????????? :rubeyes:
I'm guessing the game coincided witha business meeting
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remy mcswain
7 Aug 2014, 11:18 AM
Big_Bobo_Balde
7 Aug 2014, 11:16 AM
Can anyone tell me the last time DD was actually at a game? I'm of the opinion that he's lost all interest in the club..


He was in Poland last week.
:thumbsup:

Never seen that, but as ronan rightly points out - he must see that we are bereft of talent and in urgent critical need of investment..
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Lobey Dosser
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Big_Bobo_Balde
7 Aug 2014, 11:24 AM
remy mcswain
7 Aug 2014, 11:18 AM
Big_Bobo_Balde
7 Aug 2014, 11:16 AM
Can anyone tell me the last time DD was actually at a game? I'm of the opinion that he's lost all interest in the club..


He was in Poland last week.
:thumbsup:

Never seen that, but as ronan rightly points out - he must see that we are bereft of talent and in urgent critical need of investment..
He "employs" a CEO to take care of that.
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Big_Bobo_Balde
7 Aug 2014, 11:16 AM
Can anyone tell me the last time DD was actually at a game? I'm of the opinion that he's lost all interest in the club..


Look lay off Davie Dodds. He's just no interested.
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londontoglasgowCSC
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Aldo's post sums it up well and I was thinking earlier whether fans would boycott games like they did in the past? I think too many would still be happy plodding on taking the shampooe the 'bosses' are giving them.
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