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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,479 Views)
dan71
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We have Souness, McKay and Boumsong to thank for setting the ball rolling back in '05. Their greed resulted in London City Police raiding the Bigotdome.
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Fly Pelican
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10 Sep 2017, 08:50 AM
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10 Sep 2017, 08:40 AM
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10 Sep 2017, 08:32 AM

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£8mill for Boumsong who was available on a free 6 months earlier :lmao: :loel:


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The MSM didn't half big Boumsong up though.
One could be forgiven for thinking that individuals in the media were complicit in the whole bump
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pablo5
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You have to love the way the huns don't want anything to do with an inquiry.

Surely the damage done was to them? They're actually the victims here and as an ongoing financial basket case with potential for a second meltdown and they would be the main beneficiaries of a review of how they were run into the ground?
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aldo
10 Sep 2017, 07:57 AM
Hugh McDonald was on Off The Ball last night, only caught the start and he eloquently explained his belief in the need for an independent enquiry (he maybe said judicial review). Was the rest of the programme worth listening to? Had to split as he was just speculating on a scenario where this affair leads to a power grab by SPFL to run Scottish football, that national associations Europe-wide have become token offices, with the respective leagues wielding the power. An interesting point, I'd have liked to heard more.
I heard a bit of that too.. derek ferguson went on to say he wanted it to stop and just move on...😂 Unsurprisingly due to his wee brother being a named EBT beneficiary...

Macdonald spoke well about the need to review. If only more journalists would take that view..

The BBC normally have podcasts a day after broadcast if you want to listen.
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pablo5
10 Sep 2017, 09:21 AM
You have to love the way the huns don't want anything to do with an inquiry.

Surely the damage done was to them? They're actually the victims here and as an ongoing financial basket case with potential for a second meltdown and they would be the main beneficiaries of a review of how they were run into the ground?
We are the people , not the Victims !



If "explaining tax debt to a hun"was a popular video , can you imagine the "explaining to them that they're the victims" one .
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If they thought they were not gaining an advantage and what they were doing was legal they would never have gone to the effort they did to conceal this. The thought that this should not be addressed is ludicrous.
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10 Sep 2017, 09:32 AM
pablo5
10 Sep 2017, 09:21 AM
You have to love the way the huns don't want anything to do with an inquiry.

Surely the damage done was to them? They're actually the victims here and as an ongoing financial basket case with potential for a second meltdown and they would be the main beneficiaries of a review of how they were run into the ground?
We are the people , not the Victims !



If "explaining tax debt to a hun"was a popular video , can you imagine the "explaining to them that they're the victims" one .
3 years ago I tried to explain how they were victims to the one and only Hun friend I had because he believed it was all down to Whyte and Celtic. An incredibly talented and intelligent lawyer, he simply refused to believe any of the compelling evidence to the contrary. I gave up after an hour and haven't spoken to him since.

They are the flat-earth society.


#hunfreesince2014csc
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kellybhoy
10 Sep 2017, 02:59 AM
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kellybhoy
9 Sep 2017, 06:22 PM

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Not really. If the judicial review concludes that title stripping should have been the appropriate response then the pressure simply switches from the SFA to the SPFL to do the right thing.

As I understand it, the SPFL have said yes to a judicial review. The SFA are the ones digging their heels in.
Nope, you are confusing judicial review with independent review. Both the SPFL and the SFA have refused to seek a judicial review of the LNS findings. The SPFL however are pursuing an independent review of the whole business of how oldco's tax avoidance/evasion schemes was handled by the authorities, what lessons are to be learned, and what changes need to be made etc. The SFA have declined the invitation to take part in such an independent review. Celtic have been pushing the SFA to reverse this decision and participate in this independent review. The independent review, as I understand it, would not have the power to overturn the LNS finding, nor indeed would it have any sanctioning powers at all. However, it could well turn up facts and evidence that would strengthen the case for a judicial review of LNS, and I think this is what Celtic are hoping for, and maybe expecting.
:thumbsup:

So what's the distinction between judicial and independent then?
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corsica1968
10 Sep 2017, 09:50 AM
TheGloryYears
10 Sep 2017, 09:32 AM
pablo5
10 Sep 2017, 09:21 AM
You have to love the way the huns don't want anything to do with an inquiry.

Surely the damage done was to them? They're actually the victims here and as an ongoing financial basket case with potential for a second meltdown and they would be the main beneficiaries of a review of how they were run into the ground?
We are the people , not the Victims !



If "explaining tax debt to a hun"was a popular video , can you imagine the "explaining to them that they're the victims" one .
3 years ago I tried to explain how they were victims to the one and only Hun friend I had because he believed it was all down to Whyte and Celtic. An incredibly talented and intelligent lawyer, he simply refused to believe any of the compelling evidence to the contrary. I gave up after an hour and haven't spoken to him since.

They are the flat-earth society.


#hunfreesince2014csc
Whereas all the information on the demise and death of Rangers is readily available to anyone with a will to go and look for it
your regular Hun who depends on the papers the TV and the radio for news about his (C)lub simply hasn't been made aware of the facts!!
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Auldyin
9 Sep 2017, 11:55 PM
Reading back a couple of points need a response.

First Murphio and others made some complimentary comments about myself which I will pass on to the other Requisitioners all of whom played a significant part in keeping the issue alive. Thank you.

JJ has set out how things unfolded on Res12 since the last Celtic AGM in 2016 and since then Celtic have shown that once the constraints that bound them had gone (frustrating as that was for the Requisitioners who knew what was likely to emerge at the CW trial) Celtic have acted strongly to try and restore trust in the integrity of Scottish Football.

On the Reggan e mail of 7th December it is authentic and it reveals, as does an earlier one of Sept 2011 that the SFA are not in the clear as regards their part in both the granting then monitoring stages during 2011.

We are aware that SFA may attempt to pin all the blame on RFC but there is still enough in the locker to cover the part the SFA played not just in 2011 but subsequent years.

If I've missed anything I'll look in at some point later to answer.
You and a lot of other people have done some excellent work and deserve enormous credit. Even in the darker moments of the bogus LNS findings you've stuck to your guns and kept going when a lot of other people were in meltdown.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win :thumbsup:
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Judical Review isn't about looking at the decision itself, but how that decision was arrived at.

If the original decision was, for instance, based on dubious accountancy and mendacious testimony, then the original process could be deemed to be unsound.
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corsica1968
10 Sep 2017, 09:50 AM
TheGloryYears
10 Sep 2017, 09:32 AM
pablo5
10 Sep 2017, 09:21 AM
You have to love the way the huns don't want anything to do with an inquiry.

Surely the damage done was to them? They're actually the victims here and as an ongoing financial basket case with potential for a second meltdown and they would be the main beneficiaries of a review of how they were run into the ground?
We are the people , not the Victims !



If "explaining tax debt to a hun"was a popular video , can you imagine the "explaining to them that they're the victims" one .
3 years ago I tried to explain how they were victims to the one and only Hun friend I had because he believed it was all down to Whyte and Celtic. An incredibly talented and intelligent lawyer, he simply refused to believe any of the compelling evidence to the contrary. I gave up after an hour and haven't spoken to him since.

They are the flat-earth society.


#hunfreesince2014csc
one of the guys I played football with is a solicitor, his wife is a liquidation specialist solicitor - I tried to have a discussion with him about them being a new club, he refused to accept that was the case and to this day maintains it's the same club, no evidence to back it up - just fingers in ears lalalala
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FenianJack
10 Sep 2017, 08:50 AM
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10 Sep 2017, 08:40 AM
Butters
10 Sep 2017, 08:32 AM

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£8mill for Boumsong who was available on a free 6 months earlier :lmao: :loel:


:pitchfork:
The MSM didn't half big Boumsong up though.
And I wonder who told them to do that? :hmmm:
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That additional bracket in the thread title is annoying me.
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Just had a thought re. Souness and Wattie: woudn't the English FA have some jurisdiction if their purchases from Deidco were found to be hooky? :hmmm:
Edited by Otis B Driftwood, 10 Sep 2017, 10:21 AM.
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10 Sep 2017, 10:18 AM
That additional bracket in the thread title is annoying me.
It's a side bracket
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pablo5
10 Sep 2017, 09:21 AM
You have to love the way the huns don't want anything to do with an inquiry.

Surely the damage done was to them? They're actually the victims here and as an ongoing financial basket case with potential for a second meltdown and they would be the main beneficiaries of a review of how they were run into the ground?
It's even more baffling when so many of the central figures in their demise are now actively involved at Sevco. Normal people would be wanting the directors who killed their club banned from football.

I understand that they don't want titles to be stripped. I don't understand their down right refusal to pursue any form of truth in this matter. It isn't normal.
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Auldyin
10 Sep 2017, 09:09 AM
murphio
10 Sep 2017, 12:10 AM
Auldyin
9 Sep 2017, 11:55 PM
Reading back a couple of points need a response.

First Murphio and others made some complimentary comments about myself which I will pass on to the other Requisitioners all of whom played a significant part in keeping the issue alive. Thank you.

JJ has set out how things unfolded on Res12 since the last Celtic AGM in 2016 and since then Celtic have shown that once the constraints that bound them had gone (frustrating as that was for the Requisitioners who knew what was likely to emerge at the CW trial) Celtic have acted strongly to try and restore trust in the integrity of Scottish Football.

On the Reggan e mail of 7th December it is authentic and it reveals, as does an earlier one of Sept 2011 that the SFA are not in the clear as regards their part in both the granting then monitoring stages during 2011.

We are aware that SFA may attempt to pin all the blame on RFC but there is still enough in the locker to cover the part the SFA played not just in 2011 but subsequent years.

If I've missed anything I'll look in at some point later to answer.
Keep digging old chap. All you have needed is time, a rock hammer worn down to the nub and a massive poster of Rita Hayworth. :thumbsup:
:lol: Good one. My favorite movie although Raquel Welch would be my poster of choice.
The film is set in the 40's and 50's. Raquel is a girl of the 60's :thumbsup:
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10 Sep 2017, 10:05 AM
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10 Sep 2017, 09:50 AM
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10 Sep 2017, 09:32 AM

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3 years ago I tried to explain how they were victims to the one and only Hun friend I had because he believed it was all down to Whyte and Celtic. An incredibly talented and intelligent lawyer, he simply refused to believe any of the compelling evidence to the contrary. I gave up after an hour and haven't spoken to him since.

They are the flat-earth society.


#hunfreesince2014csc
one of the guys I played football with is a solicitor, his wife is a liquidation specialist solicitor - I tried to have a discussion with him about them being a new club, he refused to accept that was the case and to this day maintains it's the same club, no evidence to back it up - just fingers in ears lalalala
I was at a training event a number of years ago now and the solicitor presenting it said it would take years to unravel everything about the liquidation of Rangers. No idea what club he supported, if any, despite having been at quite a few meetings with him over the years. There were quite a few other solicitors who looked extremely unhappy when it was brought up despite it being wholly relevant to the topic being discussed and one of the highest profile insolvency events in Scottish legal history.
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Finally had a chance to read all the letters,and first off have to admit i was wrong about lawwell and the board who clearly have been taking the issue very seriously on our behalf and for the greater good of the game. So i'll hold my hand up on that score.

One thing is clear, the corrupt regan and co are going to cling to power at all costs. It will take their removal before any kind of justice can be delivered. The next step should surely be for peter to table a vote of no confidence in him at the next board meeting. He simply can't be allowed to carry on.
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