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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,485 Views)
Mickeybhoy84
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9 Sep 2017, 03:18 PM
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9 Sep 2017, 02:19 PM
So

Are the orcs ragin yet about this or whit?
Of course they are, which is all a bit weird. They've spent the last 5 years complaining about how the SFA is corrupt yet they're opposed to an independent review. You'd think they'd welcome a full review of why their club died.
You would think they'd want the truth....based on evidence and facts.......and justice

Unless they fear the truth, the evidence, the facts and justice

I don't think an innocent man would ever reject the offer of a fair, independent, trial. If the hun support genuinely believe the oldco have no case to answer then they should be actively embracing the idea of a review. That they aren't shows they know they cheated. They've spent the last 5 years acting like they were the victims of some grand conspiracy even though they're fully aware that they're the bad guys in this scenario.
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Cannae wait for the 'Club 1872' statement, they love a statement thae roasters :lol:
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9 Sep 2017, 12:11 PM
In the SFA's own words:

"Lord Nimmo Smith found that Oldco had not achieved a sporting advantage by utilising the EBT Scheme. The report of evidence given by Sir David Murray at the Craig Whyte trial appears to contradict that finding"

But no interest in a review. :lol:
A very important line. Llke the spfl the sfa are now saying here that it looks like the Huns cheated. The spfl line was that it was only the sfa that could do anything about it now. Here the sfa are saying it is only the spfl that can do anything about it.

The subtext here is that Regan and Doncaster are trying to throw each other under the bus.
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9 Sep 2017, 11:42 AM
Think the letters from Lawwell are pretty good - balanced and isn't being put off by the poor replies received

SFA are almost saying 'look we will go after the Euro licence stuff and that's it'
They're only conceding on the 2011 Euro license because they can hide behind the " we were duped by Rangers "
defence.

I note in his reply to Peter Lawwell, Regan says:

The alleged statements If true might have implications in the context of the UEFA license
granted to oldco in 2011.... "

Surely the answers to questions under oath shouldn't be referred to as alleged ?
Legal Eagles ?
Isn't " alleged " used regarding something without proof ?
Iirc isn't there written proof from HMRC that the WTC had indeed crystallised ?
This is the whole substance of Res 12.
Does Regan think we're all as imbecilic as he is? :ffs:

There is also the CF released letter from Regan to Rangers checking what he should say re the Euro license.
I'm getting a bit like Homer Simpson now re this whole debacle, every time I learn something new it pushes some
of the old stuff out of my brain. :lol:
I can't remember to whom the Regan letter was addressed or whether it was only we bampots
who knew about it, but I'm sure someone here will.

Clear your desk Regan, Peter's gonnae get you.

Peter Lawwell :rocker: :clap:
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9 Sep 2017, 11:49 AM
Interesting that Regan requests permission to make the dialogue public.
I thought so too, but I think he'll live to regret it.
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9 Sep 2017, 03:29 PM
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9 Sep 2017, 02:52 PM
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9 Sep 2017, 02:38 PM

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Seems pretty pointless if that is the case. So the 'review' finds there WAS a sporting advantage while finding Sandy Bryson's evidence re registrations was flawed but says, eh sorry, there is nothing we can do about it now?
I would assume that if a review did come to that conclusion then it would be basically impossible for the SFA to stick to their guns with the Nimmo Smith findings. It technically wouldn't make those findings null and void but it would be very difficult for them not to overturn it.

At least that's what I assumed. Auldyin is the best person to ask on pretty much all of this.
That's how I see it too. We have to pursue every angle. Every small victory undermines their stance that bit more.

The letters published today don't achieve anything in themselves, but they have resulted in the SFA's concession that "Lord Nimmo Smith found that Oldco had not achieved a sporting advantage by utilising the EBT Scheme. The report of evidence given by Sir David Murray at the Craig Whyte trial appears to contradict that finding".

That's huge!
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9 Sep 2017, 03:33 PM
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9 Sep 2017, 03:18 PM

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You would think they'd want the truth....based on evidence and facts.......and justice

Unless they fear the truth, the evidence, the facts and justice

I don't think an innocent man would ever reject the offer of a fair, independent, trial. If the hun support genuinely believe the oldco have no case to answer then they should be actively embracing the idea of a review. That they aren't shows they know they cheated. They've spent the last 5 years acting like they were the victims of some grand conspiracy even though they're fully aware that they're the bad guys in this scenario.
So, the huns don't want to know if any person or persons currently in positions of authority and power at the SFA or at Ibrox are guilty of killing Rangers (1872) :ponder:

Are huns that forgiving? :rubeyes:

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9 Sep 2017, 03:40 PM
There is also the CF released letter from Regan to Rangers checking what he should say re the Euro license.
Can you post a link to this?
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9 Sep 2017, 01:55 PM
In relation to the license - I have always found that to be one of the less important issues in the whole circus. For one thing, what can the SFA do, retrospectively, to punish oldco for misleading them? As it goes, I don't believe for one second they were misled. They fudged the issue so that the revenue would help keep Rangers as a going concern. But that is already the position they are hiding behind and even if they do find Rangers oldco guilty, I don't see how that helps us in any way whatsoever - the SFA will simply say re compensation, for example, to pursue Rangers oldco.
If guilt is established re: the UEFA License award, the SFA could say we cannot punish Rangers because they are deid and we cannot punish Sevco because they are a new club, which is of course the UEFA response.

The SFA could, however, punish those individuals who are guilty of misleading / lying to gain that UEFA License, many of whom are still in positions of power and authority, be it at the SFA and, or Sevco
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I'm extremely happy to see Celtic now being open and public about their position - this could get rowdy
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I don't think an innocent man would ever reject the offer of a fair, independent, trial. If the hun support genuinely believe the oldco have no case to answer then they should be actively embracing the idea of a review. That they aren't shows they know they cheated. They've spent the last 5 years acting like they were the victims of some grand conspiracy even though they're fully aware that they're the bad guys in this scenario.
So, the huns don't want to know if any person or persons currently in positions of authority and power at the SFA or at Ibrox are guilty of killing Rangers (1872) :ponder:

Are huns that forgiving? :rubeyes:

I think that might be a large part of their reluctance. If titles are stripped they'll just carry on pretending the record books are wrong so that isn't too big a deal for them. If the current Sevco hierarchy are implicated, and dealt with accordingly, that would do irreparable damage to a club that already has a decidedly dodgy reputation. Sevcos survival, albeit in its current limp mode, takes priority over everything, even justice.
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If the SFA dig their heels in I wonder what will happen next, maybe CAS or even a real courtroom?
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9 Sep 2017, 03:47 PM
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9 Sep 2017, 03:40 PM
There is also the CF released letter from Regan to Rangers checking what he should say re the Euro license.
Can you post a link to this?
Sorry I can't as I don't have access to it, but it was correspondence between Regan
and a couple of people at Rangers.
I vaguely recall that it might have been Ramsay Smith the PR guy & Dickson with cc to Whyte.

Maybe Auldheid or one of the other guys will have access to it.

It was basically Regan checking with Rangers that his answer, to any questions re the granting of the Euro
license, was acceptable to Rangers. :rubeyes:

They basically told him not to be so effing stupid, and to say nothing as that could only lead to more
suspicions being raised.

It could be construed from the correspondence that Regan knew the license was granted erroneously.
Allegedly, of course. 🙊
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Don't know if this has already been posted. Aologies if it has.

http://cdn.celticfc.net/assets/downloads/SFA_Correspondence.pdf
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9 Sep 2017, 04:13 PM
If the SFA dig their heels in I wonder what will happen next, maybe CAS or even a real courtroom?
Maybe this is what Pedro wants as he and the rest of Scotland (bar the hun) know fine well corruption is deep rooted in Scotland.

Strangely though the hun thinks the SFA are corrupt :doh:
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9 Sep 2017, 03:47 PM
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9 Sep 2017, 03:40 PM
There is also the CF released letter from Regan to Rangers checking what he should say re the Euro license.
Can you post a link to this?
Sorry I can't as I don't have access to it, but it was correspondence between Regan
and a couple of people at Rangers.
I vaguely recall that it might have been Ramsay Smith the PR guy & Dickson with cc to Whyte.

Maybe Auldheid or one of the other guys will have access to it.

It was basically Regan checking with Rangers that his answer, to any questions re the granting of the Euro
license, was acceptable to Rangers. :rubeyes:

They basically told him not to be so effing stupid, and to say nothing as that could only lead to more
suspicions being raised.

It could be construed from the correspondence that Regan knew the license was granted erroneously.
Allegedly, of course. 🙊
Edit:

Just been told by Mr D that Auldheid has a contribution to the John James blog re this
correspondence ( I never read that JJ guy )
Ramsay Smith was the correspondent. :thumbsup:

Hopefully Auldheid looks in and can elaborate further.
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9 Sep 2017, 04:30 PM
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9 Sep 2017, 03:47 PM

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Sorry I can't as I don't have access to it, but it was correspondence between Regan
and a couple of people at Rangers.
I vaguely recall that it might have been Ramsay Smith the PR guy & Dickson with cc to Whyte.

Maybe Auldheid or one of the other guys will have access to it.

It was basically Regan checking with Rangers that his answer, to any questions re the granting of the Euro
license, was acceptable to Rangers. :rubeyes:

They basically told him not to be so effing stupid, and to say nothing as that could only lead to more
suspicions being raised.

It could be construed from the correspondence that Regan knew the license was granted erroneously.
Allegedly, of course. 🙊
Edit:

Just been told by Mr D that Auldheid has a contribution to the John James blog re this
correspondence ( I never read that JJ guy )
Ramsay Smith was the correspondent. :thumbsup:

Hopefully Auldheid looks in and can elaborate further.
:thumbsup:
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9 Sep 2017, 02:38 PM
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9 Sep 2017, 02:32 PM
The SPFL line here is confusing me. I thought Doncaster appeared to be going out of his way to say Nimmo Smith couldn't be revisited - but they are also pushing the SFA for an independent review. What am I missing?
The review won't lead to any sanction or change in the 'punishments' the LNS fix produced. Just a general statement of facts and lessons learned.
Nah, the review is a Trojan Horse and Regan knows it. Regan is saying we can't punish them as they've been punished and we didn't have the rules in place. Both Lawell and Regan know that a review will throw up a whole host of shampoo that they haven't been punished for. BTC result, wee tax case admissions, licensing issue, Craig Whyte trial, these have brought up enough for, at worst, a general bringing the game into disrepute charge.

The battle is over the review. It happens and title stripping and life bans are guaranteed.
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9 Sep 2017, 03:47 PM
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There is also the CF released letter from Regan to Rangers checking what he should say re the Euro license.
Can you post a link to this?
Scribd link to emails
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9 Sep 2017, 03:40 PM
There is also the CF released letter from Regan to Rangers checking what he should say re the Euro license.
Can you post a link to this?
Scribd link to emails
Dirty corrupt bastards!!! :angry: Though because this is obviously leaked or stolen communication it would be difficult to see how it could be used in an official capacity.
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