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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,974 Views)
murphio
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Time for a change. Fresh ideas needed.
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CaltonBhoy1967
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Ned Rise
6 Aug 2014, 10:17 PM
The have taken the club from a position of strength and crumbled it to dust between their hands.
It has been happening season after season since Seville - They got away with it for so long but have been found out this time around.
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CaltonBhoy1967
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murphio
7 Aug 2014, 12:31 AM
Time for a change. Fresh ideas needed.
That will take Desmond to sell his plaything or for him to appoint a MON type deal that HE wants and backs.

Appointing a replacement for Lawwell with the same remit from Desmond will not be enough.
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KTP
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How about no?
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Lawwell GTF
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Mubo Loravcik
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Caption Time: What are Lawwell, Bankier and Riley thinking?
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Welshybhoy91
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So in the last year, we have sold:

Kelvin Wilson. - £2.5m
Victor Wanyama. - £12.5m
Gary Hooper - £5.5m
Thomas Rogne - free
Joe Ledley. £800k
Georgios Samaras - free
Tony Watt. - £1.2m

That's £22.6m in the space of 1 year, with significant cuts to the wage bill.

Players who will be, or are likely to leave are:

Fraser Forster. - £8m to Southampton
Virgil Van Dijk. - £8m-£10m mooted to Newcastle, Sunderland, Southampton, Swansea
Adam Matthews - £3m to Swansea
Kris Commons. - £7.5m to West Brom

That could be a potential £40m in the space of a year. With 2 years of back to back champions league money. That's potentially £80m of "unbudgeted" earnings.

Why are we not even seeing around £20m-£30m invested into the squad?
As a club we CAN afford an entire starting 11 of "£6m players".

Serious questions really need to be asked on where the club is going.
There's a profound lack of ambition from the hierarchy of our club. The lack of investment over the years has led to this.

I'm not against Ronny Diela yet, but his appointment reflects this.
This notion of buying small to sell big, with no long term plan or ambition.

We have already lost 7 first-team players in the space of a year. With many more still to go in the forthcoming exodus.

All these "because" slogans will come back to bite them, when only 20,000 fans turn up for the rest of the season. Because there will be very little talent, or quality players worth going to see.
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Get Lawwell to eff. He's set Deila up as a scapegoat while giving himself some protection. He's the effer who gets bonuses purely on what happens off the park, and not what happens on it.
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They seem to be running our club into the ground.
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Mubo Loravcik
7 Aug 2014, 01:26 AM
Bankier: "This football lark is jolly good, it's just a darn shame that our fine boys are losing. But as we say in rugby, always respect the referee! Someone get me a Pimms!"
Lawwell: "££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££"
Riley: "Oh effing hell, we're gonna get lynched..."
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A lot of over reaction on this tonight. Poor team performance can't be blamed on the board. There was enough quality to see us through.

However, the criticism with regards to reinvestment isn't unwarranted. But what a lot of people seem to forget is- We aren't a giant club anymore, thus putting 3-4 million pound players out of reach in both stature and wage. We aren't actually making 40 million extra a year. This system of buy younger players will always have lean years. Last year we could have went out and bought another 5 players of the quality of Ledley, Matthews, Biton, Ambrose- and then what? They come in and we stay at the same level, because we can't break through to the next.

With that being said, investment in the striker and attacking areas of the pitch is desperately needed.
Edited by GreenWhiteAndCeltic, 7 Aug 2014, 01:46 AM.
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GreenWhiteAndCeltic
7 Aug 2014, 01:46 AM
A lot of over reaction on this tonight. Poor team performance can't be blamed on the board. There was enough quality to see us through.
Aye, okay Peter ;)
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Worst performance from Celtic at a game I've been at in a long time. We are in desperate need of a major overhaul of the squad - the players we have at our disposal just aren't going to cut it - especially attacking wise.

Sad thing is now it's probably too late now we're out the CL, and we'll need to get used to what we've got.
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GreenWhiteAndCeltic
7 Aug 2014, 01:46 AM
A lot of over reaction on this tonight. Poor team performance can't be blamed on the board. There was enough quality to see us through.

However, the criticism with regards to reinvestment isn't unwarranted. But what a lot of people seem to forget is- We aren't a giant club anymore, thus putting 3-4 million pound players out of reach in both stature and wage. We aren't actually making 40 million extra a year. This system of buy younger players will always have lean years. Last year we could have went out and bought another 5 players of the quality of Ledley, Matthews, Biton, Ambrose- and then what? They come in and we stay at the same level, because we can't break through to the next.

With that being said, investment in the striker and attacking areas of the pitch is desperately needed.
There is no over reaction

The team is regressing at an astonishing rate. Do you think Hooper, Wanyama and Ledley have been replaced properly ? Samaras has now gone, Forster will shortly go and the only replacements we've got is a keeper who hasn't played in 2 years and a loan signing from cardiff who has also barely kicked a ball in 2014.

They learned nothing from last year when we squeaked into the CL group stages despite favourable draws. And btw we can afford players at £3 to £4M if we are selling others for £6M plus.
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TheEvilGenius
7 Aug 2014, 01:32 AM
Mubo Loravcik
7 Aug 2014, 01:26 AM
Bankier: "This football lark is jolly good, it's just a darn shame that our fine boys are losing. But as we say in rugby, always respect the referee! Someone get me a Pimms!"
Lawwell: "££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££"
Riley: "Oh effing hell, we're gonna get lynched..."
Who is the guy on the far left? He's turned white, as the rest of them should have done.
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FC Utrecht 4 - 0 Celtic NL

Calm the eff doon
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Corky Buczek
7 Aug 2014, 01:53 AM
GreenWhiteAndCeltic
7 Aug 2014, 01:46 AM
A lot of over reaction on this tonight. Poor team performance can't be blamed on the board. There was enough quality to see us through.

However, the criticism with regards to reinvestment isn't unwarranted. But what a lot of people seem to forget is- We aren't a giant club anymore, thus putting 3-4 million pound players out of reach in both stature and wage. We aren't actually making 40 million extra a year. This system of buy younger players will always have lean years. Last year we could have went out and bought another 5 players of the quality of Ledley, Matthews, Biton, Ambrose- and then what? They come in and we stay at the same level, because we can't break through to the next.

With that being said, investment in the striker and attacking areas of the pitch is desperately needed.
There is no over reaction

The team is regressing at an astonishing rate. Do you think Hooper, Wanyama and Ledley have been replaced properly ? Samaras has now gone, Forster will shortly go and the only replacements we've got is a keeper who hasn't played in 2 years and a loan signing from cardiff who has also barely kicked a ball in 2014.

They learned nothing from last year when we squeaked into the CL group stages despite favourable draws. And btw we can afford players at £3 to £4M if we are selling others for £6M plus.
We tried to replace Ledley immediately ? You can't replace a 12.5 million pound player with 2 million without luck. I already mentioned that we need investment up top. I know we can afford these types of fees, I doubt we can afford the wages. Never mind though, you just pick and choose bits of my post to read. :thumbsup:
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TheEvilGenius
7 Aug 2014, 01:48 AM
GreenWhiteAndCeltic
7 Aug 2014, 01:46 AM
A lot of over reaction on this tonight. Poor team performance can't be blamed on the board. There was enough quality to see us through.
Aye, okay Peter ;)
So are you saying that the Warsaw team cost more than ours in both wages and transfer fees ? There is easily enough money invested in the team to beat the likes of Warsaw.
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markybhoy75
7 Aug 2014, 01:56 AM
Celtic 1-2 Bordeaux MON
Artmedia 5-0 Celtic WGS
FC Utrecht 4 - 0 Celtic NL

Calm the eff doon
O'Neill had a great team and a world class striker. Strachan had a good team and Lennon was just in the door gutting out the team after one of the worst seasons ever under Mowbray but he'd been given money to spend to shape the squad his own way. Where the eff do we go from here? The board are a disgrace as is the playing squad which will be weakened before it's strengthened.

Bad results in the past don't mean shampoo.

Edit: And Strachan won 4-0 in the next game, granted we went out but it showed that it was a freak result over there. Lennon had beaten Braga and Utrecht in the home games so there was promising signs. We just got pumped in both games by Legia Warsaw ffs! A season after struggling v the likes of Elfsborg and Karagandy yet the board didn't take the warning on board and strengthen the team.
Edited by McStay, 7 Aug 2014, 02:08 AM.
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I don't think the board has been 'found out'. I think this is all part of the process. Exiting at this stage (in this manner) is crushing to us, but business as usual to them. Three obvious issues (not the only three) -

1. A seeming unwillingness to buy promising Scottish talent at admittedly inflated but still relatively small fees. We know the list we've missed the past 5-10 years. Can only presume this is part of the MO. Don't have our money trickle down the game in this country and widen the gap.

2. Letting failure be an option. We don't need to get to the Champions' League this year. Well guess what, we didn't. So now we just need to turn up to win the league...

3. Losing our identity. Lennon's great achievement was taking players from a bargain bin/relative unknowns and creating a strong Celtic identity (based on Ledley, Hooper, Forster, Mulgrew). With Park and Lawell having free reign, we might very quickly be back to a team which no-one cares for.
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GreenWhiteAndCeltic
7 Aug 2014, 02:00 AM
Corky Buczek
7 Aug 2014, 01:53 AM
GreenWhiteAndCeltic
7 Aug 2014, 01:46 AM
A lot of over reaction on this tonight. Poor team performance can't be blamed on the board. There was enough quality to see us through.

However, the criticism with regards to reinvestment isn't unwarranted. But what a lot of people seem to forget is- We aren't a giant club anymore, thus putting 3-4 million pound players out of reach in both stature and wage. We aren't actually making 40 million extra a year. This system of buy younger players will always have lean years. Last year we could have went out and bought another 5 players of the quality of Ledley, Matthews, Biton, Ambrose- and then what? They come in and we stay at the same level, because we can't break through to the next.

With that being said, investment in the striker and attacking areas of the pitch is desperately needed.
There is no over reaction

The team is regressing at an astonishing rate. Do you think Hooper, Wanyama and Ledley have been replaced properly ? Samaras has now gone, Forster will shortly go and the only replacements we've got is a keeper who hasn't played in 2 years and a loan signing from cardiff who has also barely kicked a ball in 2014.

They learned nothing from last year when we squeaked into the CL group stages despite favourable draws. And btw we can afford players at £3 to £4M if we are selling others for £6M plus.
We tried to replace Ledley immediately ? You can't replace a 12.5 million pound player with 2 million without luck. I already mentioned that we need investment up top. I know we can afford these types of fees, I doubt we can afford the wages. Never mind though, you just pick and choose bits of my post to read. :thumbsup:
You said the performance can't be blamed on the board.

I beg to differ. The current team on the park is very much a product of the board and their thinking. We can afford the wages of a £3M to £4M player. We could have afforded the wages Gary Hooper was wanting but we decided not to. We are now paying more in wages for Griffiths, Pukki and Balde combined. That good enough for you ?
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