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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,505 Views)
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idyllwild
6 Sep 2017, 03:03 PM
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6 Sep 2017, 10:50 AM

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If the owner has the biggest influence, why doesn't the buck stop with him? :ponder:

In any company, the board set the direction of the company and the CEO implements it. That's a generalisation, and the balance differs in any given company at any given time, but that's pretty much how it works.

Either way, it's ultimately DD's responsibility. He either decided that the strategy was to let Rangers off with it, or he gave PL the authority to decide that the strategy was to let Rangers off with it. DD's decision, ultimately, however you slice it.

I'm not a huge fan of PL, but the buck stops with DD.
Eh, because he is not the owner. Please keep up. :thumbsup:
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6 Sep 2017, 07:50 PM
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6 Sep 2017, 06:29 PM
What happened to the people who were coming out with the "hold your fire, until we get prepared" guys?
Seemed to suggest crowdfunding for a judicial review - think it might have been related to CQN...
Anyway, whoever they were - they've seemingly gone all quiet.
There are things going on. People will just have to show some patience.
Bollocks. I demand that the cheats, the conspirators, the corrupt and the tax evaders face the wrath of the killer bees - now

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remy mcswain
6 Sep 2017, 07:50 PM
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6 Sep 2017, 06:29 PM
What happened to the people who were coming out with the "hold your fire, until we get prepared" guys?
Seemed to suggest crowdfunding for a judicial review - think it might have been related to CQN...
Anyway, whoever they were - they've seemingly gone all quiet.
There are things going on. People will just have to continue to be patient
Fixed that for ye.

It's pish, annoying and incredibly frustrating, but it really is the fact of the matter. Until such time as the like's of Auldheid and Rogan Brogan Mitsubishi Shogun say the game's a bogey, we sit tight. While continuing to use every opportunity as concerned football fans to raise the subject, of course.
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Looks like it is still alive, interesting that The Times decides to cover it, we'll see if an 'Old Firm war' breaks out...

https://videocelts.com/2017/09/blogs/latest-news/celtics-ebt-letter-to-the-sfa/
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It was interesting that the Pie and Bovril guy on BBC Sportsound called out the SFA re: "the Rangers issue" as as far as I know he is not a Celtic fan.
Perhaps he knows something going on....????
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7 Sep 2017, 08:25 AM
Looks like it is still alive, interesting that The Times decides to cover it, we'll see if an 'Old Firm war' breaks out...

https://videocelts.com/2017/09/blogs/latest-news/celtics-ebt-letter-to-the-sfa/
Especially interesting that The Times decide to reveal this now. Only question is: which side provided it with the story? And why that paper?
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7 Sep 2017, 08:41 AM
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7 Sep 2017, 08:25 AM
Looks like it is still alive, interesting that The Times decides to cover it, we'll see if an 'Old Firm war' breaks out...

https://videocelts.com/2017/09/blogs/latest-news/celtics-ebt-letter-to-the-sfa/
Especially interesting that The Times decide to reveal this now. Only question is: which side provided it with the story? And why that paper?
Would Celtic leak this to The Times in order to inform the fans that the issue is very much alive and to The Times because it is deemed trustworthy, that is not under direct rule by the SMSM ?

IIRC, Spiers on BBC Radio Scotland called for a Judicial Review in the immediate aftermath of the Supreme Court ruling that Rangers IL were cheating and tax-evading
Edited by Wee Ed KTF, 7 Sep 2017, 08:55 AM.
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Just a thought..........If we were included in some sort of closed door champions league (leaving them behind) but it meant keeping quiet about title stripping,would we as Celtic supporters accept that?.
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The Scottish Sun has picked up on the article in The Times.

LAW ENFORCEMENT Celtic chief Peter Lawwell’s secret letter to SFA’s Stewart Regan hinted that title-stripping be an option in Rangers’ EBT probe
The Parkhead supremo also said the saga was causing 'lasting damage to the reputation and integrity of Scottish football'
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Celtic still pressing SFA for Inquiry

Celtic still pressing SFA for inquiry. Lawwell letter from 2012 outlines stance


Ewing Grahame

September 7 2017

The Times


Lawwell demanded a judicial review into the financial collapse of Rangers


Celtic have not given up hope of the Scottish Football Association agreeing to a judicial inquiry which would examine fully the roles played by the game’s ruling bodies before, during and after the financial implosion of Rangers in 2012.


It is understood that, while the SFA have yet to respond to a call from the Ladbrokes Premiership champions for such a forensic investigation some two months ago, Celtic believe that more stringent rules, checks and balances ought to be in place in order to restore confidence in the SFA while simultaneously ensuring that Rangers or any other club are not allowed to run up such unsustainable debts in future.


The Times can also reveal that, in an letter sent by Peter Lawwell to Stewart Regan, the SFA’s chief executive, immediately prior to Rangers descending from administration into liquidation five years ago, the Celtic chief executive not only demanded a judicial review of the scandal which rocked the national sport but also insisted that title-stripping and the removal of national cup competitions won by the fallen Glasgow club between 1999 and 2010 should form part of the sanctions open to that panel.


During those years, Sir David Murray had employed tax avoidance policies: firstly, the Discounted Option Scheme, for which they admitted liability, and secondly, the Employee Benefit Trusts, for which they did not. The deployment of these complex plans allowed Rangers to make tax-free payments to players, managers, staff and former employees in the shape of “loans” or discretionary bonuses from the Trust.


Murray took £6.3 million worth of net payments in EBTs while other major beneficiaries included Barry Ferguson (£2.5 million), Stefan Klos (£2 million), Dado Prso (£1.9 million), Christian Nerlinger (£1.8 million), Michael Ball (£1.4 million), Tore André Flo (£1.3 million), Ronald de Boer and Thomas Buffel (£1.2 million each), Claudio Caniggia and Pedro Mendes (£1 million each) and managers Alex McLeish (£1.7 million) and Dick Advocaat (£1.5 million).


Celtic believed then that the involvement of the aforementioned players, along with 46 others, in league and cup matches during that 11-year span should make all their results null and void, should it be proved that the tax avoidance schemes had been misused.


“If the allegations of ‘double contracts’ for players are true, and a breach of SPL and/or SFA rules is established, the eligibility of those players to have competed in domestic league and cup competitions will be called into question,” Lawwell wrote in his letter, sent on May 25, 2012, the 45th anniversary of Celtic’s European Cup triumph.


“In turn, the integrity of the football results achieved by using those players would by necessity also fall into question. Any wrongdoing then established would have to be subject to fair and proportionate sanctions, including retrospectively, if appropriate. However, at a higher level, in our opinion this whole affair is causing lasting damage to the reputation and integrity of Scottish football.”


It adds: “The interests of fairness and Scottish football now demand that the SFA act decisively. The initial inquiry should now be reconvened or a new independent panel led by a judge or senior lawyer should be formed to investigate and report upon the Rangers EBT issues and consider whether there has been any further breach of the Association’s rules, including those on disrepute.


“The roles of individuals (past and present) subject to the jurisdiction of the Association should also be examined. This should take place as quickly as possible, irrespective of the SPL’s own investigations.”


Five Supreme Court judges decided unanimously on July 5 that EBT payments were liable for tax. Rangers had denied the existence of side letters to players guaranteeing their extra payments — most of them were performance-related — to Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs and the footballing authorities but they were uncovered during a police raid on Ibrox.


Murray confessed in court earlier this year that EBTs “gave us [Rangers] an opportunity to get players that we perhaps would not be able to afford [otherwise]”. When the Supreme Court verdict was announced, the SFA issued a statement which said they would do nothing, on legal advice.


The SPFL board — it includes Rangers’ Stewart Robertson — also asked the SFA more than six weeks ago to consent to an impartial probe into how the governing bodies dealt with Rangers’ financial meltdown. It too has been met with silence.
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What grinds my gears is that it has to be us taking them to task on this. Which immediately turns it into an Us v Them sort of thing. Where are the likes of Aberdeen, Hibs, ST J, Hearts in all this? They've lost out too on millions of potential Cup, sponsorship, and Euro football moneys. I would gladly see us completely take a back seat on this and let the rest of the SPL force the issue.
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7 Sep 2017, 09:00 AM
Just a thought..........If we were included in some sort of closed door champions league (leaving them behind) but it meant keeping quiet about title stripping,would we as Celtic supporters accept that?.
No, sevco are being left behind right now. No mercy. No need for deals.

The SFA/SPFL should be informing BDO they intend to alter the history books showing Rangers cheated. eff all to do with sevco.
Edited by Dubz, 7 Sep 2017, 10:11 AM.
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aldo
7 Sep 2017, 08:41 AM
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7 Sep 2017, 08:25 AM
Looks like it is still alive, interesting that The Times decides to cover it, we'll see if an 'Old Firm war' breaks out...

https://videocelts.com/2017/09/blogs/latest-news/celtics-ebt-letter-to-the-sfa/
Especially interesting that The Times decide to reveal this now. Only question is: which side provided it with the story? And why that paper?
I think this has come from our side,maybe to put pressure on the SFA and appease the support.

The letter dates from 2012,so I'm not exactly convinced we are on top of this.
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This clearly reads to me that Peter Lawwell has had enough of their attempts to whitewash this and is taking the gloves off.
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7 Sep 2017, 10:11 AM
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7 Sep 2017, 09:00 AM
Just a thought..........If we were included in some sort of closed door champions league (leaving them behind) but it meant keeping quiet about title stripping,would we as Celtic supporters accept that?.
No, sevco are being left behind right now. No mercy. No need for deals.

The SFA/SPFL should be informing BDO they intend to alter the history books showing Rangers cheated. eff all to do with sevco.
Any break away CL movement would be frowned upon by most governing bodies, dropping res12 wouldn't be an issue for any new league, it's between us and the SFA but, hypothetically, I wouldn't accept it. They cheated, we deserve those leagues.
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This clearly reads to me that Peter Lawwell has had enough of their attempts to whitewash this and is taking the gloves off.
I suspect this is a leak from Lawwell.

Ewing Grahame (The Times journalist) is, I believe, a freelance. He is a former tabloid hack.

I interviewed Grahame many, many moons ago. He is, IIRC, a Celtic fan.
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This clearly reads to me that Peter Lawwell has had enough of their attempts to whitewash this and is taking the gloves off.
I suspect this is a leak from Lawwell.

Ewing Grahame (The Times journalist) is, I believe, a freelance. He is a former tabloid hack.

I interviewed Grahame many, many moons ago. He is, IIRC, a Celtic fan.
Hertz fan I think
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This clearly reads to me that Peter Lawwell has had enough of their attempts to whitewash this and is taking the gloves off.
I suspect this is a leak from Lawwell.

Ewing Grahame (The Times journalist) is, I believe, a freelance. He is a former tabloid hack.

I interviewed Grahame many, many moons ago. He is, IIRC, a Celtic fan.
Did he get the job? :suspect:
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Interesting leak. :hmmm:

The letter puts across Celtic's view forcefully, albeit from five years back. You'd have to take the view it was done with Celtic's consent. Interesting it's Ewing Grahame and The Times, too. Which also makes me think this was Celtic's doing.

It's the content of the letter outlining what Celtic were asking for that will be as much of a story as the fact it has been raised again, so it helps set the agenda.
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This clearly reads to me that Peter Lawwell has had enough of their attempts to whitewash this and is taking the gloves off.
I suspect this is a leak from Lawwell.

Ewing Grahame (The Times journalist) is, I believe, a freelance. He is a former tabloid hack.

I interviewed Grahame many, many moons ago. He is, IIRC, a Celtic fan.
Did he get the job? :suspect:
:lol:

The interview was for a Celtic fanzine
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