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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,509 Views)
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georgiesleftpeg
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14 Aug 2017, 07:20 PM
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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^Guessing they mean that the shares are more likely to go down than up.
In other words, be bearish about buying them, right now.
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14 Aug 2017, 07:26 PM
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We are only worth half a neymar. Just shows how bonkers the game is right now
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Big Drew
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14 Aug 2017, 07:34 PM
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Its probably just due to some heavy trading. Wonder who is buying us up?
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kellybhoy
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14 Aug 2017, 10:35 PM
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- georgiesleftpeg
- 14 Aug 2017, 07:20 PM
^Guessing they mean that the shares are more likely to go down than up.
In other words, be bearish about buying them, right now. I'm seeing both "bearish" and "bullish" on that chart. In fact "bullish has the figure 1 preceding it which suggests one analyst thinks the price will go up, whereas "bearish" has no figure preceding it.
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Estadio nacional
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15 Aug 2017, 05:49 AM
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Bullish - Going up like a bull attacking with its horns Bearish - Going down like a bear attacking with its claws, or like a football club supported by bears.
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largent80
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16 Aug 2017, 11:10 AM
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So we didn't sign anyone to be added to the CL squad for Astana games as a wildcard. We head into tonight's game with one fit striker and one fit centre half. BR has said that he wants to add quality to the squad on many occasions in the past few months.
We may qualify for the group stages. Maybe we won't. We'll know soon enough.
If we don't, whatever the reason, the CEO and the board are leaving themselves wide open to serious criticism from frustrated supporters for their perceived failure to strengthen the squad adequately, despite having rarely (ever?) had such resources available to do so in our entire history.
It seems to me like a £30M gamble that they didn't need to take.
Here's hoping we get the job done over the next week.
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JamesJoyce
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16 Aug 2017, 11:17 AM
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- 16 Aug 2017, 11:10 AM
So we didn't sign anyone to be added to the CL squad for Astana games as a wildcard. We head into tonight's game with one fit striker and one fit centre half. BR has said that he wants to add quality to the squad on many occasions in the past few months. We may  qualify for the group stages. Maybe we won't. We'll know soon enough. If we don't, whatever the reason, the CEO and the board are leaving themselves wide open to serious criticism from frustrated supporters for their perceived failure to strengthen the squad adequately, despite having rarely (ever?) had such resources available to do so in our entire history. It seems to me like a £30M gamble that they didn't need to take. Here's hoping we get the job done over the next week. I don't want to sound too downbeat, but as others have said ad nauseum, we've been here before to a degree - if it all goes horribly against Astana then the Board and management team have to take the flak!
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Dubz
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16 Aug 2017, 11:37 AM
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It's always the same, signing quality before we qualify is a two-way street. Brendan said right from the start we'd pretty much need to get there with the squad we already have.
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puroresu_boy
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16 Aug 2017, 11:40 AM
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- Estadio nacional
- 14 Aug 2017, 06:17 PM
Share price has rocketed the last few weeks, up 21% the biggest move in years. Guessing it's folk speculating on CL qualification?  Parachuted to the Premier league incoming
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Marado
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16 Aug 2017, 11:50 AM
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I'll give you a war you won't believe.
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Share price has rocketed the last few weeks, up 21% the biggest move in years. Guessing it's folk speculating on CL qualification? 
Parachuted to the Premier league incoming Mods should start a thread about that
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largent80
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16 Aug 2017, 12:13 PM
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- JamesJoyce
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- 16 Aug 2017, 11:10 AM
So we didn't sign anyone to be added to the CL squad for Astana games as a wildcard. We head into tonight's game with one fit striker and one fit centre half. BR has said that he wants to add quality to the squad on many occasions in the past few months. We may  qualify for the group stages. Maybe we won't. We'll know soon enough. If we don't, whatever the reason, the CEO and the board are leaving themselves wide open to serious criticism from frustrated supporters for their perceived failure to strengthen the squad adequately, despite having rarely (ever?) had such resources available to do so in our entire history. It seems to me like a £30M gamble that they didn't need to take. Here's hoping we get the job done over the next week.
I don't want to sound too downbeat, but as others have said ad nauseum, we've been here before to a degree - if it all goes horribly against Astana then the Board and management team have to take the flak! we've been here before to a degree - that's true. Given that PL has been CEO for 15+ years now, it shouldn't be the case though. He's seen the movie as often as we have. It's such a gamble. I certainly wouldn't like to expose myself to the level of criticism that he will justifiably get, given his previous mistakes of failing to strengthen from a position of strength.
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Busbhoy
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16 Aug 2017, 02:58 PM
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Getting noticed in the reserves
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Well , you wont get a testimony or dock appearance from Calderwood now.
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16 Aug 2017, 03:17 PM
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CSA meeting with Doncaster and his lawyer -
Spoiler: click to toggle CELTIC SUPPORTERS ASSOCIATION representatives Joe O’Rourke and John Andrews met with SPFL Chief Executive Neil Doncaster and his lawyer Rod McKenzie earlier this week. The meeting was held at the request of Doncaster and the CSA have now reported back to their members and the wider Celtic support through a statement on their website, thecsa.co.uk
Joe O’Rourke has been in regular contact with the SFA in recent weeks since the Supreme Court ruled once and for all on 5 July, that HMRC had won the so-called Bit Tax Case and by extension Rangers had cheated the taxpayer and Scottish football for a decade or more.
The two CSA Executives pretty much received the same information from Doncaster and McKenzie that two CQN’s were given back in April, in what was a dress rehearsal for the SPFL stance should HMRC prevail at the Supreme Court.
Joe and John however have managed to expose the true nature of the 5 Way Agreement and also establish that the SFA are now the biggest obstacle to allowing justice to be served in the Sottish game after the unlawful actions adopted and willingly implemented by David Murray and his board at Ibrox.
Doncaster believes that he is powerless to act but has admitted to the CSA officials that title stripping could only be enforced through the SFA.
“They..stated that they, the SPFL, were happy to have an Independent Review of Scottish Football as stated about three weeks ago after they elected their new Board. The problem with that is, no Independent Review is worth having unless it also agreed by the SFA, and so far Mr Regan and his cronies have not agreed to a Review,” stated O’Rourke.
“Mr Doncaster made it very clear that the decision taken by LNS (Lord Nimmo Smith) cannot be revisited, the decision to fine Sevco £250,000 is final. Mr McKenzie stressed that all the information held by the SPL was put before LNS, which included the proof of about 51 side letters. But what they cannot answer is, did the SFA act honestly with regards to LNS.
Mr Doncaster also agreed with us that the Five Way Agreement (FWA) was a barrier to Title stripping. That is the FWA that no-one outside if the signatories has actually seen. McKenzie and Doncaster actually admitted that in one of the early drafts of the agreement Title Stripping was one of the avenues that could be used as punishment to Sevco, not surprisingly Green, and apparently more so McCoist strongly opposed that route, so that clause was taken out.”
Interesting the SPFL’s later revealed to the CSA prpresetatives that other clubs were backing Celtic Chief Executive Peter Lawwell’s call for an Independent Review, but just not in public.
“McKenzie said that club chairmen were backing Celtic, but not in public. I think that proves the point the Bullying and Intimidation by the Sevco Support is actually working, I also think the comments from Ann Budge and Stewart Milne prove that too.”
O’Rourke then gave his own summary of where we go from here.
“Well we’re not beaten yet. We have to force the SFA to back the Independent Review. The only way that can be done is by supporters putting pressure on their own clubs to call for it.
“Doncaster claims that the SPFL do not have the power within their rules to strip titles, but the SFA do have that power. So honest supporters throughout the whole of Scottish Football must stand up to the Bullies and Intimidators and force action from your own club’s. This is not a Celtic v Rangers issue, this is Honest and Integrity v Bullies and Intimidators issue. Football has to win, but it can only win if the honest decent supporters unite to make it happen.”
Last week Paul67 revealed on CQN that Stewart Regan was planning to stonewall all calls for an Independent Enquiry. Link
CSA version -
Spoiler: click to toggle I and Association President John Andrews met with Neil Doncaster and Rod McKenzie on Monday night. The reason for the meeting which incidentally was at the request of Mr Doncaster, was for them to explain their position with regards to the Lord Nimmo Smith (LNS) Inquiry.
From the outset they both made it clear that they thought that the SPL did everything by the book and that they had no further part to play in accordance with the advice they got from a Senior Counsel.
They also stated that they, the SPFL, were happy to have an Independent Review of Scottish Football as stated about three weeks ago after they elected their new Board. The problem with that is, no Independent Review is worth having unless it also agreed by the SFA, and so far Mr Regan and his cronies have not agreed to a Review.
Mr Doncaster made it very clear that the decision taken by LNS cannot be revisited, the decision to fine Sevco £250,000 is final. Mr McKenzie stressed that all the information held by the SPL was put before LNS, which included the proof of about 51 side letters. But what they cannot answer is, did the SFA act honestly with regards to LNS.
Mr Doncaster also agreed with us that the Five Way Agreement (FWA) was a barrier to Title stripping. That is the FWA that no-one outside if the signatories has actually seen. McKenzie and Doncaster actually admitted that in one of the early drafts of the agreement Title Stripping was one of the avenues that could be used as punishment to Sevco, not surprisingly Green, and apparently more so McCoist strongly opposed that route, so that clause was taken out.
That’s akin to a High Court Judge telling a convicted criminal that he could face twenty years in jail and the criminal saying I’m not having that. So the Judge says, well ok what about a fine of £250? That will be fine (excuse the pun) your honour.
You have to wonder, if the FWA was good for Scottish Football as a whole, why has it not been made public? According to McKenzie the five signatories would have to agree to that, and he said that wouldn’t happen, but he never told us just exactly who would be opposed to going public, I think they would all oppose it to protect themselves.
Interestingly the SPFL Board backed the call for an Independent Review as proposed by Peter Lawwell at Celtic Football Club, but not one club came out publically and supported Peter Lawwell before the Board went public, which was about three weeks after Peter’s statement.
McKenzie said that club chairmen were backing Celtic, but not in public. I think that proves the point the Bullying and Intimidation by the Sevco Support is actually working, I also think the comments from Ann Budge and Stewart Milne prove that too.
So where do we go from here? Well we’re not beaten yet. We have to force the SFA to back the Independent Review. The only way that can be done is by supporters putting pressure on their own clubs to call for it.
Doncaster claims that the SPFL do not have the power within their rules to strip titles, but the SFA do have that power. So honest supporters throughout the whole of Scottish Football must stand up to the Bullies and Intimidators and force action from your own club’s. This is not a Celtic v Rangers issue, this is Honest and Integrity v Bullies and Intimidators issue. Football has to win, but it can only win if the honest decent supporters unite to make it happen. Link
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16 Aug 2017, 04:10 PM
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- 16 Aug 2017, 02:58 PM
Well , you wont get a testimony or dock appearance from Calderwood now. Wouldn't wish this on anyone or their family.
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MILLIGANS ISLAND
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16 Aug 2017, 04:18 PM
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....give us a glimmer......
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"Mr Doncaster also agreed with us that the Five Way Agreement (FWA) was a barrier to Title stripping. That is the FWA that no-one outside if the signatories has actually seen. McKenzie and Doncaster actually admitted that in one of the early drafts of the agreement Title Stripping was one of the avenues that could be used as punishment to Sevco, not surprisingly Green, and apparently more so McCoist strongly opposed that route, so that clause was taken out.”
What the actual eff ?
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JamesJoyce
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16 Aug 2017, 04:21 PM
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- largent80
- 16 Aug 2017, 12:13 PM
- JamesJoyce
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- largent80
- 16 Aug 2017, 11:10 AM
So we didn't sign anyone to be added to the CL squad for Astana games as a wildcard. We head into tonight's game with one fit striker and one fit centre half. BR has said that he wants to add quality to the squad on many occasions in the past few months. We may  qualify for the group stages. Maybe we won't. We'll know soon enough. If we don't, whatever the reason, the CEO and the board are leaving themselves wide open to serious criticism from frustrated supporters for their perceived failure to strengthen the squad adequately, despite having rarely (ever?) had such resources available to do so in our entire history. It seems to me like a £30M gamble that they didn't need to take. Here's hoping we get the job done over the next week.
I don't want to sound too downbeat, but as others have said ad nauseum, we've been here before to a degree - if it all goes horribly against Astana then the Board and management team have to take the flak! we've been here before to a degree - that's true. Given that PL has been CEO for 15+ years now, it shouldn't be the case though. He's seen the movie as often as we have. It's such a gamble. I certainly wouldn't like to expose myself to the level of criticism that he will justifiably get, given his previous mistakes of failing to strengthen from a position of strength. It's one thing if our European progress reverses (as it did previously when we invested the square root of f*ck all) but if lack of decent investment leads to Sevco mounting a serious title bid in the next couple of years, then something must change.
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Timdom come
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16 Aug 2017, 05:38 PM
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- 16 Aug 2017, 04:18 PM
"Mr Doncaster also agreed with us that the Five Way Agreement (FWA) was a barrier to Title stripping. That is the FWA that no-one outside if the signatories has actually seen. McKenzie and Doncaster actually admitted that in one of the early drafts of the agreement Title Stripping was one of the avenues that could be used as punishment to Sevco, not surprisingly Green, and apparently more so McCoist strongly opposed that route, so that clause was taken out.”
What the actual eff ? Sounds like there was enormous resistance to keep various options open.
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LondonThomas
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16 Aug 2017, 05:50 PM
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- MILLIGANS ISLAND
- 16 Aug 2017, 04:18 PM
"Mr Doncaster also agreed with us that the Five Way Agreement (FWA) was a barrier to Title stripping. That is the FWA that no-one outside if the signatories has actually seen. McKenzie and Doncaster actually admitted that in one of the early drafts of the agreement Title Stripping was one of the avenues that could be used as punishment to Sevco, not surprisingly Green, and apparently more so McCoist strongly opposed that route, so that clause was taken out.”
What the actual eff ? A clause relating to title stripping was taken out at the demand of Sevco's owner and manager?
And they're admitting it!?!
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justinjest
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16 Aug 2017, 05:58 PM
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- 16 Aug 2017, 05:50 PM
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"Mr Doncaster also agreed with us that the Five Way Agreement (FWA) was a barrier to Title stripping. That is the FWA that no-one outside if the signatories has actually seen. McKenzie and Doncaster actually admitted that in one of the early drafts of the agreement Title Stripping was one of the avenues that could be used as punishment to Sevco, not surprisingly Green, and apparently more so McCoist strongly opposed that route, so that clause was taken out.”
What the actual eff ?
A clause relating to title stripping was taken out at the demand of Sevco's owner and manager? And they're admitting it!?! and PL agreed to it?
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Slim67
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16 Aug 2017, 06:27 PM
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- 16 Aug 2017, 05:50 PM
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"Mr Doncaster also agreed with us that the Five Way Agreement (FWA) was a barrier to Title stripping. That is the FWA that no-one outside if the signatories has actually seen. McKenzie and Doncaster actually admitted that in one of the early drafts of the agreement Title Stripping was one of the avenues that could be used as punishment to Sevco, not surprisingly Green, and apparently more so McCoist strongly opposed that route, so that clause was taken out.”
What the actual eff ?
A clause relating to title stripping was taken out at the demand of Sevco's owner and manager? And they're admitting it!?! Taken out so it's not included in that agreement to allow Sevco to gain a licence and participate in SPL.
The cover up stinks and expect this to be passed back and forward like a well used scud book between the SFA and SPFL cavalry
Edited by Slim67, 16 Aug 2017, 06:28 PM.
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