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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,511 Views)
Auldyin
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9 Aug 2017, 12:17 PM
Reading the DAFC statement, they're saying the email (received from a CQN'er, let's say) was misinterpreted. I listed to the podcast which read the email out verbatim, save for redactions of names, and it didn't seem like it'd been misinterpreted.

That's not to say DAFC didn't make a total arse of composing the thing in an unambiguous manner, which they're now trying to correct, but that's the most likely explanation.

Even if that was true though, whatever the subsequent investigation found out (the stuff that was handed over to the SFA in addition to the email) was certainly presented by CQN as being of some substance.

Darkfish's various comments - assuming he's party to the same information - goes a bit beyond The Asterisk Years by Paul Larkin, which is what covered that stuff first - but still it's not 100%

I, like most, wouldn't have thought we'd see CQN (yes, I know it's CQNMagazine, I'm lumping them all in together) put that sort of article up which - paraphrasing - said 'they'll have no choice but to get medieval on someone's ass' without a solid foundation for doing so.

If it turns out to be nothing, that's precisely how much attention I'll be paying to them in the future, but I can't see that being the case, not from the way they've handled it so far. I don't need resolution now either, happy to wait for as long as it takes as long as it happens

The e mail came from Dunfermline in the first instance to podcaster who went digging.

It's no surprise that after SFA got it and put it under a Compliance blanket meaning no comment that DAF refer to it in a public way.

Join the frigging dots.

This is a mob we are trying to put in the dock and instead it's CQN. :doh:

I don't know anything about Darkfish but when you see the evidence of sheer dishonesty at play then nothing should be ruled out.

Edited by Auldyin, 9 Aug 2017, 02:00 PM.
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Auldyin
9 Aug 2017, 01:51 PM
CHR15
9 Aug 2017, 12:17 PM
Reading the DAFC statement, they're saying the email (received from a CQN'er, let's say) was misinterpreted. I listed to the podcast which read the email out verbatim, save for redactions of names, and it didn't seem like it'd been misinterpreted.

That's not to say DAFC didn't make a total arse of composing the thing in an unambiguous manner, which they're now trying to correct, but that's the most likely explanation.

Even if that was true though, whatever the subsequent investigation found out (the stuff that was handed over to the SFA in addition to the email) was certainly presented by CQN as being of some substance.

Darkfish's various comments - assuming he's party to the same information - goes a bit beyond The Asterisk Years by Paul Larkin, which is what covered that stuff first - but still it's not 100%

I, like most, wouldn't have thought we'd see CQN (yes, I know it's CQNMagazine, I'm lumping them all in together) put that sort of article up which - paraphrasing - said 'they'll have no choice but to get medieval on someone's ass' without a solid foundation for doing so.

If it turns out to be nothing, that's precisely how much attention I'll be paying to them in the future, but I can't see that being the case, not from the way they've handled it so far. I don't need resolution now either, happy to wait for as long as it takes as long as it happens

It's taken Res12 four years to get to an action point and the case got stronger over that period but only because of constant prodding by Requisitioners.

In the absence of the authority that the adjourned Res12 afforded I'm not sure this latest will not run into a quagmire.

The Res12 lawyer, not a Celtic fan described SFA as a shower of c $$$s.

There is no reason to think anything different a year later.
I'm not under any illusions that long could be really long. The CQN guys have said they'll publish if the SFA try to kick it into the long grass though.
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CHR15
9 Aug 2017, 02:02 PM
Auldyin
9 Aug 2017, 01:51 PM
CHR15
9 Aug 2017, 12:17 PM
Reading the DAFC statement, they're saying the email (received from a CQN'er, let's say) was misinterpreted. I listed to the podcast which read the email out verbatim, save for redactions of names, and it didn't seem like it'd been misinterpreted.

That's not to say DAFC didn't make a total arse of composing the thing in an unambiguous manner, which they're now trying to correct, but that's the most likely explanation.

Even if that was true though, whatever the subsequent investigation found out (the stuff that was handed over to the SFA in addition to the email) was certainly presented by CQN as being of some substance.

Darkfish's various comments - assuming he's party to the same information - goes a bit beyond The Asterisk Years by Paul Larkin, which is what covered that stuff first - but still it's not 100%

I, like most, wouldn't have thought we'd see CQN (yes, I know it's CQNMagazine, I'm lumping them all in together) put that sort of article up which - paraphrasing - said 'they'll have no choice but to get medieval on someone's ass' without a solid foundation for doing so.

If it turns out to be nothing, that's precisely how much attention I'll be paying to them in the future, but I can't see that being the case, not from the way they've handled it so far. I don't need resolution now either, happy to wait for as long as it takes as long as it happens

It's taken Res12 four years to get to an action point and the case got stronger over that period but only because of constant prodding by Requisitioners.

In the absence of the authority that the adjourned Res12 afforded I'm not sure this latest will not run into a quagmire.

The Res12 lawyer, not a Celtic fan described SFA as a shower of c $$$s.

There is no reason to think anything different a year later.
I'm not under any illusions that long could be really long. The CQN guys have said they'll publish if the SFA try to kick it into the long grass though.
Which means they must be pretty confident in what they dug up.

Fingers crossed.
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idyllwild
9 Aug 2017, 12:31 PM
I'll believe it when I see factual statements or evidence. Right now they're a million miles from that.

When all is said and done, there have only been two or three significant events uncovered this way - EBTs by Barcabhoy and the refs/Dallas stuff by Phil (amongst a continual stream of wishful rumouring).

There's loads of analysis, discussion, interpretation and planning done based on what is already out there. But stuff like this rarely come to anything. For this to carry any weight, there needs to be clear evidence of someone at Rangers attempting to get someone at another club to do something dodgy. That's the starting point. If they don't have that, there's nothing.
All of this needs to be properly coordinated otherwise u will get this nonsense which damages everything

If not by club by one QC acting for our interested parties

This looks like amateur half hour
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I doubt there's any smoking gun (above and beyond what we already know) at this point if we're seriously talking about forwarded emails from Dunfermline's chairman as evidence. CQN intimated that the evidence they had made title stripping practically nailed-on, whereas Darkfish's post explicitly says that the judicial review is the first line of attack, and the rest of the evidence is there as a back up plan. I think someone got a bit excited and got a lot of people a lot excited and it's ended up leading us here.

But lets be realistic; we've had SDM stand up in court and admit that EBTs were used to buy players the dead Rangers couldn't otherwise afford, and look what's come of it. I daresay he could hand in a signed confession to the football authorities, complete with irrefutable evidence and they'd chuck it straight in the shredder and claim there was no 'appetite' for further sanctions. Not to forget we've also had that letter from UEFA calling them a new club, but that's either ignored, or explicitly censored by the SMSM/Scottish football authorities too.

I'm pretty sure the only chance of anything resembling justice will be achieved through the courts, as Darkfish says.
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sevilliano
9 Aug 2017, 07:20 PM
idyllwild
9 Aug 2017, 12:31 PM
I'll believe it when I see factual statements or evidence. Right now they're a million miles from that.

When all is said and done, there have only been two or three significant events uncovered this way - EBTs by Barcabhoy and the refs/Dallas stuff by Phil (amongst a continual stream of wishful rumouring).

There's loads of analysis, discussion, interpretation and planning done based on what is already out there. But stuff like this rarely come to anything. For this to carry any weight, there needs to be clear evidence of someone at Rangers attempting to get someone at another club to do something dodgy. That's the starting point. If they don't have that, there's nothing.
All of this needs to be properly coordinated otherwise u will get this nonsense which damages everything

If not by club by one QC acting for our interested parties

This looks like amateur half hour
I agree that it appears amateurish.

It smacks of a clumsy attempt to smoke out an as yet publicly unknown party to the affair.

Subterfuge CSC
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8 Aug 2017, 05:36 PM
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8 Aug 2017, 05:29 PM
It was said/alleged/made up by someone at the time that DAFC treated the team to a Mediterranean end of season jolly, departing the day after the game in question. The implication being that it would be another reason for them not to GAF about the game. Ring any bells?
Yup. It was Malaga or La Manga or somewhere.
Should have been Mallaig, the lazy bassas. :nono:
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9 Aug 2017, 08:27 PM
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8 Aug 2017, 05:36 PM
aldo
8 Aug 2017, 05:29 PM
It was said/alleged/made up by someone at the time that DAFC treated the team to a Mediterranean end of season jolly, departing the day after the game in question. The implication being that it would be another reason for them not to GAF about the game. Ring any bells?
Yup. It was Malaga or La Manga or somewhere.
Should have been Mallaig, the lazy bassas. :nono:
No Morar that, if you don't mind :nono:
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bassbhoy
9 Aug 2017, 08:42 PM
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9 Aug 2017, 08:27 PM
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8 Aug 2017, 05:36 PM

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Should have been Mallaig, the lazy bassas. :nono:
No Morar that, if you don't mind :nono:
Ferry poor :nono:
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pablo5
9 Aug 2017, 09:15 AM
We're very much in state aid country right now and until CQN come up with something tangible, they're going to look as daft as the guys pushing that nonsense.

Still, they've a magazine to sell...
That's exactly the kind of batshampoo crazy that came to my mind when I heard about this stuff. They better have far greater evidence than they've demonstrated so far to justify any of this.

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9 Aug 2017, 08:54 PM
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9 Aug 2017, 09:15 AM
We're very much in state aid country right now and until CQN come up with something tangible, they're going to look as daft as the guys pushing that nonsense.

Still, they've a magazine to sell...
That's exactly the kind of batshampoo crazy that came to my mind when I heard about this stuff. They better have far greater evidence than they've demonstrated so far to justify any of this.

They haven't demonstrated anything, they have said they have handed evidence over to the SFA.

People want them to play this out over the internet so as they can see everything for themselves, lets see what the SFA do first.

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9 Aug 2017, 09:05 PM
lets see what the SFA do first.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Auldyin
9 Aug 2017, 04:01 PM
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9 Aug 2017, 02:02 PM
Auldyin
9 Aug 2017, 01:51 PM

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I'm not under any illusions that long could be really long. The CQN guys have said they'll publish if the SFA try to kick it into the long grass though.
Which means they must be pretty confident in what they dug up.

Fingers crossed.
Union Jackson has spoken so there must be something to hide.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nothing-rangers-dunfermline-fury-after-10953343.amp

Nothing to do with Rangers' Dunfermline fury after being caught up in Celtic fans’ title conspiracy claims
Edited by Dubz, 10 Aug 2017, 10:28 AM.
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9 Aug 2017, 10:51 AM
To make such a thing about this, I would imagine that CQN have in their possession plenty of ammunition. Let's give them the benefit of doubt that they know what they are doing.

They've handed stuff over to the SFA, they have made the World aware that they have done so without going into any great detail, giving the SFA the chance to do their job properly. If they don't then they make the info public.

The only question that I would ask is why they released a vague statement which had everyone thinking it involved the 2003 Rangers 6 v 1 Dunfermline game.......

We have lived with all this stuff for many years, let's give it time to run it's course.
I concur.
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9 Aug 2017, 09:05 PM
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9 Aug 2017, 09:15 AM
We're very much in state aid country right now and until CQN come up with something tangible, they're going to look as daft as the guys pushing that nonsense.

Still, they've a magazine to sell...
That's exactly the kind of batshampoo crazy that came to my mind when I heard about this stuff. They better have far greater evidence than they've demonstrated so far to justify any of this.

They haven't demonstrated anything, they have said they have handed evidence over to the SFA.

People want them to play this out over the internet so as they can see everything for themselves, lets see what the SFA do first.

That's fine and understandable in itself. So why say anything about it all? All they've done is fed innuendo and rumour, actively so in fact.
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san meegs
8 Aug 2017, 04:00 PM
That league race had a few dodgy games tbh. The three penalties at Dens still amazes me to this day.
Two in a minute IIRC. Basically got given a penalty till they scored one
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san meegs
8 Aug 2017, 04:00 PM
That league race had a few dodgy games tbh. The three penalties at Dens still amazes me to this day.
Two in a minute IIRC. Basically got given a penalty till they scored one
If memory serves, winning the league back then got you straight into the CL and a guaranteed pot of gold. The closer the league race back then, the dodgy decisions mounted up.
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In 02/03 there was a huge number of players sent off against Rangers. There was one in particular I recall on a Sunday afternoon, Thistle at Firhill. The home side were one up at half time, Rangers equalise, Gerry Britton sent off wrongly , Rangers win 2-1, red card reversed. I am sure that happened a few times but that one sticks in my mind.

How Deadco got to 54

Just noticed the report says that tax cheat Moore should have been sent off in the first half
Edited by Broadly Equivalent Bhoy, 10 Aug 2017, 04:55 PM.
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In 02/03 there was a huge number of players sent off against Rangers. There was one in particular I recall on a Sunday afternoon, Thistle at Firhill. The home side were one up at half time, Rangers equalise, Gerry Britton sent off wrongly , Rangers win 2-1, red card reversed. I am sure that happened a few times but that one sticks in my mind.

How Deadco got to 54

Just noticed the report says that tax cheat Moore should have been sent off in the first half
I started counting red cards from the start if the season using their own match reports but gave up in Dec when the score went approx 11 opposition players and just the one Hun. It's not always made clear.
Some of the reports are astounding. Dundee 2 - Huns 2 https://rangers.co.uk/news/match-report/2002-03/dundee-2-2-rangers/ :rubeyes:
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Sure there was a stat for that season, that in the 1st 20 games, Rangers either got a penalty or the opponents got a man sent off...

Was an absolute disgrace they won it that year
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