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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,512 Views)
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Can people not read?

Not once did CQN say Dunfermline handed over the documents and incriminating material. They said THEY did.
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CQN now have no option but scurry away or publish. Ridiculous state of affairs they have created here.
The option being?

Publish something on social media?

The talk of the social media steamie for a couple of days?

Oh I know get the smsm to run with it. They will be desperate to throw mud at Rangers.


There is a process for establishing the truth, its lengthy, it requires tenacity and patience because football does not like being questioned. Politics get in the way not to mention institutional bias. However if you really want to get a result its the only way to go, but be prepared to be criticised for the time it takes.

The email the DAF Chairman speaks of is what kicked off a bit of snooping. It is the result of that which was taken to the SFA after an initial enquiry to see if an immediate denial could be put out. The kind that stops you going public and making an arse of yourself.

For whatever reason there was no quick explanation so SFA opened a Compliance case so THEY could provide answers and there is no mention of what caused them to do that in DAF statement.

Mind you, were I involved (and I'm not) and in the same position I would not have raised expectations in the first instance, people just HATE being disappointed.
Edited by Auldyin, 9 Aug 2017, 12:13 AM.
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9 Aug 2017, 12:12 AM
Wanyerma
8 Aug 2017, 10:30 PM
CQN now have no option but scurry away or publish. Ridiculous state of affairs they have created here.
The option being?

Publish something on social media?

The talk of the social media steamie for a couple of days?

Oh I know get the smsm to run with it. They will be desperate to throw mud at Rangers.


There is a process for establishing the truth, its lengthy, it requires tenacity and patience because football does not like being questioned. Politics get in the way not to mention institutional bias. However if you really want to get a result its the only way to go, but be prepared to be criticised for the time it takes.

The email the DAF Chairman speaks of is what kicked off a bit of snooping. It is the result of that which was taken to the SFA after an initial enquiry to see if an immediate denial could be put out. The kind that stops you going public and making an arse of yourself.

For whatever reason there was no quick explanation so SFA opened a Compliance case so THEY could provide answers and there is no mention of what caused them to do that in DAF statement.

Mind you, were I involved (and I'm not) and in the same position I would not have raised expectations in the first instance, people just HATE being disappointed.
There's much more at stake here than CQN's reputation. The media are desperate to paint Celtic fans as bampots re everything, including the sterling work you're doing on Res 12.

I dunno if last night was a rush of blood to the head on the part of CQN or whether they do genuinely have something, but they need to be far more professional in how they release information if they have the nuts.
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Think people are getting 'CQN Magazine' and 'Paul67' mixed up here. CQN Magazine have perpetuated utter pish for ages now.
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8 Aug 2017, 10:18 PM
I wonder what they mean by not making mileage? And the not taking moral high ground chat is interesting as well, if a little vague. (to me anyway)
They mean not taking the moral high ground regarding Deidco's EBT issue when they went into administration and weren't able to pay their bills themselves.

It is a pretty believable explanation regarding the email in question. Whether or not the email is what CQN is talking about or not remains to be seen.
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9 Aug 2017, 12:18 AM
Auldyin
9 Aug 2017, 12:12 AM
Wanyerma
8 Aug 2017, 10:30 PM
CQN now have no option but scurry away or publish. Ridiculous state of affairs they have created here.
The option being?

Publish something on social media?

The talk of the social media steamie for a couple of days?

Oh I know get the smsm to run with it. They will be desperate to throw mud at Rangers.


There is a process for establishing the truth, its lengthy, it requires tenacity and patience because football does not like being questioned. Politics get in the way not to mention institutional bias. However if you really want to get a result its the only way to go, but be prepared to be criticised for the time it takes.

The email the DAF Chairman speaks of is what kicked off a bit of snooping. It is the result of that which was taken to the SFA after an initial enquiry to see if an immediate denial could be put out. The kind that stops you going public and making an arse of yourself.

For whatever reason there was no quick explanation so SFA opened a Compliance case so THEY could provide answers and there is no mention of what caused them to do that in DAF statement.

Mind you, were I involved (and I'm not) and in the same position I would not have raised expectations in the first instance, people just HATE being disappointed.
There's much more at stake here than CQN's reputation. The media are desperate to paint Celtic fans as bampots re everything, including the sterling work you're doing on Res 12.

I dunno if last night was a rush of blood to the head on the part of CQN or whether they do genuinely have something, but they need to be far more professional in how they release information if they have the nuts.
Indeed and Res12 was a constant source of criticism until about last October when some of what was known or discovered was provided to signatories by e mail because what had prevented it being broadcast until then had been circumvented using a lawyer paid for by supporters many on CQN.

Then with CW trial out of the way and risk of prejudicing removed there was a further update for everyone who read CQN Magazine that was put out on Twitter.

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/official-update-to-res12-july-2017/

and for the latest on Res12 E Tims reported progress yesterday when it came up in a separately arranged meeting for other purposes.

http://etims.net/?p=11803

My point though is that if you want to actually make change happen you have to engage with the very people you want to change and the price of that is they can slow the whole process down. That is where social media can play its part but you have to get a foothold first as in Res12 using the AGM process..

It is ridiculous that it takes 4 years to try and have a wrong put right but until an accountability mechanism is introduced into football governance we can only struggle within current constraints.

I could write a book on it and how the media tried to derail Res12 last June.

Edited by Auldyin, 9 Aug 2017, 01:15 AM.
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8 Aug 2017, 10:18 PM
I wonder what they mean by not making mileage? And the not taking moral high ground chat is interesting as well, if a little vague. (to me anyway)
They mean not taking the moral high ground regarding Deidco's EBT issue when they went into administration and weren't able to pay their bills themselves.

It is a pretty believable explanation regarding the email in question. Whether or not the email is what CQN is talking about or not remains to be seen.
There is more although I am totally unsighted on it and so cannot speak to its strength or weakness.
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IIRC, the EBTs recipient list, as published by the BBC, was incomplete. That is, there was more money in the EBT fund (as per the Rangers (IL) accounts) than the total amount for the named recipients.

If there are 'missing millions,' who were the unnamed recipients? :ponder:

Just a thunk.



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9 Aug 2017, 01:22 AM
IIRC, the EBTs recipient list, as published by the BBC, was incomplete. That is, there was more money in the EBT fund (as per the Rangers (IL) accounts) than the total amount for the named recipients.

If there are 'missing millions,' who were the unnamed recipients? :ponder:

Just a thunk.



There were trust numbers unaccounted for when comparing all the publicly available information (court docs, the Charlotte Fakes dump, Mark Daly doco) was assembled and cross-referenced.

I suspect some of them were general Murray Group goons. If other non-staff EBTs existed, why were only those of Souness and The Cardigan disclosed?
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Auldyin
9 Aug 2017, 01:18 AM
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9 Aug 2017, 12:40 AM
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8 Aug 2017, 10:18 PM
I wonder what they mean by not making mileage? And the not taking moral high ground chat is interesting as well, if a little vague. (to me anyway)
They mean not taking the moral high ground regarding Deidco's EBT issue when they went into administration and weren't able to pay their bills themselves.

It is a pretty believable explanation regarding the email in question. Whether or not the email is what CQN is talking about or not remains to be seen.
There is more although I am totally unsighted on it and so cannot speak to its strength or weakness.
Glad to hear that!
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We're very much in state aid country right now and until CQN come up with something tangible, they're going to look as daft as the guys pushing that nonsense.

Still, they've a magazine to sell...
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A couple of things:

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"There are a lot of positive things happening in Scottish football, and there a lot of good people within our respective clubs and at our governing bodies who are working very hard to promote and showcase our national game, and it is disappointing that everyone cannot focus their energy into looking forward, rather than trying to constantly undermine the credibility of our game”.


Again it comments like this which are the problem. God forbid anyone dare question governance of the game.

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8 Aug 2017, 11:29 PM
Can people not read?

Not once did CQN say Dunfermline handed over the documents and incriminating material. They said THEY did.
The documents were SEIZED rather than handed over. Makes good copy but not much sense. CQN have made a cock of this. Hopefully they will now spill rather than keep quiet and continue to look daft.
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9 Aug 2017, 10:05 AM
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8 Aug 2017, 11:29 PM
Can people not read?

Not once did CQN say Dunfermline handed over the documents and incriminating material. They said THEY did.
The documents were SEIZED rather than handed over. Makes good copy but not much sense. CQN have made a cock of this. Hopefully they will now spill rather than keep quiet and continue to look daft.
Certainly looks that way :ffs:
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So what's the chat here? Has Paul 67 been done up like a kipper or what?
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To make such a thing about this, I would imagine that CQN have in their possession plenty of ammunition. Let's give them the benefit of doubt that they know what they are doing.

They've handed stuff over to the SFA, they have made the World aware that they have done so without going into any great detail, giving the SFA the chance to do their job properly. If they don't then they make the info public.

The only question that I would ask is why they released a vague statement which had everyone thinking it involved the 2003 Rangers 6 v 1 Dunfermline game.......

We have lived with all this stuff for many years, let's give it time to run it's course.
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So what's the chat here? Has Paul 67 been done up like a kipper or what?
It's not PB's initiative. It began with CQN podcast who looked into the e mail in DAF statement.

They think they have more as a result.

SFA opening a Compliance case suggests there is reason to do so and it's certainly not what is in the e mail.

The idea that the SFA are capable of doing anyone up like a kipper flies in the face of all the contradictory evidence.

If they were that good why is there to be an enquiry and why is there a possible case for a JR?
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Reading the DAFC statement, they're saying the email (received from a CQN'er, let's say) was misinterpreted. I listed to the podcast which read the email out verbatim, save for redactions of names, and it didn't seem like it'd been misinterpreted.

That's not to say DAFC didn't make a total arse of composing the thing in an unambiguous manner, which they're now trying to correct, but that's the most likely explanation.

Even if that was true though, whatever the subsequent investigation found out (the stuff that was handed over to the SFA in addition to the email) was certainly presented by CQN as being of some substance.

Darkfish's various comments - assuming he's party to the same information - goes a bit beyond The Asterisk Years by Paul Larkin, which is what covered that stuff first - but still it's not 100%

I, like most, wouldn't have thought we'd see CQN (yes, I know it's CQNMagazine, I'm lumping them all in together) put that sort of article up which - paraphrasing - said 'they'll have no choice but to get medieval on someone's ass' without a solid foundation for doing so.

If it turns out to be nothing, that's precisely how much attention I'll be paying to them in the future, but I can't see that being the case, not from the way they've handled it so far. I don't need resolution now either, happy to wait for as long as it takes as long as it happens

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I'll believe it when I see factual statements or evidence. Right now they're a million miles from that.

When all is said and done, there have only been two or three significant events uncovered this way - EBTs by Barcabhoy and the refs/Dallas stuff by Phil (amongst a continual stream of wishful rumouring).

There's loads of analysis, discussion, interpretation and planning done based on what is already out there. But stuff like this rarely come to anything. For this to carry any weight, there needs to be clear evidence of someone at Rangers attempting to get someone at another club to do something dodgy. That's the starting point. If they don't have that, there's nothing.
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Reading the DAFC statement, they're saying the email (received from a CQN'er, let's say) was misinterpreted. I listed to the podcast which read the email out verbatim, save for redactions of names, and it didn't seem like it'd been misinterpreted.

That's not to say DAFC didn't make a total arse of composing the thing in an unambiguous manner, which they're now trying to correct, but that's the most likely explanation.

Even if that was true though, whatever the subsequent investigation found out (the stuff that was handed over to the SFA in addition to the email) was certainly presented by CQN as being of some substance.

Darkfish's various comments - assuming he's party to the same information - goes a bit beyond The Asterisk Years by Paul Larkin, which is what covered that stuff first - but still it's not 100%

I, like most, wouldn't have thought we'd see CQN (yes, I know it's CQNMagazine, I'm lumping them all in together) put that sort of article up which - paraphrasing - said 'they'll have no choice but to get medieval on someone's ass' without a solid foundation for doing so.

If it turns out to be nothing, that's precisely how much attention I'll be paying to them in the future, but I can't see that being the case, not from the way they've handled it so far. I don't need resolution now either, happy to wait for as long as it takes as long as it happens

It's taken Res12 four years to get to an action point and the case got stronger over that period but only because of constant prodding by Requisitioners.

In the absence of the authority that the adjourned Res12 afforded I'm not sure this latest will not run into a quagmire.

The Res12 lawyer, not a Celtic fan described SFA as a shower of c $$$s.

There is no reason to think anything different a year later.
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