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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,516 Views)
Marado
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philibhoy
8 Aug 2017, 09:10 AM
If someone had evidence of something like this happening I'm confused why they would sit on it for 14 years.
Possibly because the whole thing will turn out to be a huge non story that will be of no interest to anyone.
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Marado
8 Aug 2017, 10:02 AM
philibhoy
8 Aug 2017, 09:10 AM
If someone had evidence of something like this happening I'm confused why they would sit on it for 14 years.
Possibly because the whole thing will turn out to be a huge non story that will be of no interest to anyone.
I'd be surprised if there was nothing in this.
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A guy from CQN told RTC on Twitter his guesses at match fixing were 'completely wrong. Therefore I'm going to guess this is exactly what the boys have hinted it is; a 'jigsaw' dossier combining a lot of stuff that is already in the public domain re Calderwood, Murray, Masterson etc. I doubt a Zapruder tape has turned up but hey, I guess we can live in hope.
Edited by murphio, 8 Aug 2017, 10:20 AM.
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Dannybhoy95
8 Aug 2017, 12:04 AM
ronny_is_not_da_man
7 Aug 2017, 10:20 PM
Is there evidence of a league winning match in Scotland having been fixed?
I have no idea. I am not involved at all, but it would be huge.
Putting this firmly in the 'too good to be true' category.
It would certainly bring the whole house of cards down, just as Cartuja explained so many years ago.
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8 Aug 2017, 07:53 AM
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8 Aug 2017, 07:09 AM
Seemed great in the Twitter frenzy of last night but this morning ........

As many have said , do all the work to uncover this stiry then hand it all over to...........THE SFA ! The very bunch who have form for covering up and ignoring as much as possible stuff like this , "nuclear" stuff. ? I'm dubious. Even if as CQN claim they can publish at anytime they are at least giving various parties a heads up and time to get stories straight/destroy evidence/ work on their evasion strategies .

Can't see it coming to much .
I think you can assume they have copies of everything. Maybe giving the SFA the chance to act before passing to someone else. Hope so anyway.
Or just blogging out their arse.

I remember a few years back, the Celtic bloggers were out in force, telling us or hinting that they had evidence of doctored match reports, not long after the Dougie Dougie gate.

The fact they are saying they've been passed to the SFA of all people, makes me think it's also a load of pish.

Hope I'm wrong.
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I must admit, the timing of this strikes me as a bit off. I think there's a lot of anger towards the SFA etc based on the response to the BTC, this looks like throwing as much mud as possible in the hope something sticks.
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So Mr Black gave Mr Tango an EBT to throw a game?
No surprise there.
Might help to explain why he can't get a job in management.
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LondonThomas
8 Aug 2017, 09:32 AM
Even if the referee, the linesman and the whole Dunfermline team and management were proven to have taken bungs that day, the MSM and the Scottish football authorities would find a way to ignore it, sweep it off the back pages and demand we all move on.

We've already had incontrovertible proof of the corruption within the Scottish game: Jim Farry deliberately withholding Cadete's registration, Hugh Dallas being proven to be an anti-Catholic bigot, Sandy Bryson inventing a ludicrous testimony to excuse the illegal registration of an entire team.

The game is utterly corrupt. has been for a century-and they are never going to change. Why do people think there is ANY piece of evidence that will ever change that?

The only thing that will conceivably change it is if the Celtic board take legal action against the entire footballing establishment.

So, as I said, nothing will change.
I'm inclined to agree with you that the SMSM will rubber ear this news even if it does prove to be the case.

So many times over the last few years a story has emerged where you think they cannot ignore it, and yet they do just that. It's past the point of being incredible.

The Craig Whyte tapes were explosive yet no one in the media even mentioned them. They conveniently hid behind the validity of the tapes. Then when the tapes were declared admissible they hid behind reporting restrictions during the court case. Once the case was finished conveniently the season was finished so no commentary. And now the new season has started it's only loonies and fanatics who want to raise the issue.

Our media are far from inept.
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murphio
8 Aug 2017, 10:19 AM
A guy from CQN told RTC on Twitter his guesses at match fixing were 'completely wrong. Therefore I'm going to guess this is exactly what the boys have hinted it is; a 'jigsaw' dossier combining a lot of stuff that is already in the public domain re Calderwood, Murray, Masterson etc. I doubt a Zapruder tape has turned up but hey, I guess we can live in hope.
not being obtuse murphio but what else could there be here

calderwood was kidded on he was getting the job - and he was a big hun alongside his colleague

masterton was on board with dunfermilne and previously was the guy who signed off major funding of murray

must be more to it than that surely

and as for that 6th the pen jeez there should have been an enquiry as soon as that was given :brickwall:
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I heard a story about Calderwood telling players at HT that they'd be sacked, if they crossed the halfway line. Told to me by someone well connected at Ibrox.

I know for a fact that the Dunfermline bus left Ibrox that day, with cases of champagne and a manager and his assistant pished out their heads.
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8 Aug 2017, 12:15 PM
murphio
8 Aug 2017, 10:19 AM
A guy from CQN told RTC on Twitter his guesses at match fixing were 'completely wrong. Therefore I'm going to guess this is exactly what the boys have hinted it is; a 'jigsaw' dossier combining a lot of stuff that is already in the public domain re Calderwood, Murray, Masterson etc. I doubt a Zapruder tape has turned up but hey, I guess we can live in hope.
not being obtuse murphio but what else could there be here

calderwood was kidded on he was getting the job - and he was a big hun alongside his colleague

masterton was on board with dunfermilne and previously was the guy who signed off major funding of murray

must be more to it than that surely

and as for that 6th the pen jeez there should have been an enquiry as soon as that was given :brickwall:
I have no idea mate; I very much doubt some piece of smoking gun evidence has been uncovered 14 years later. What would that evidence even be? I guess we'll have to wait and see; and I certainly hope it's more than just a jigsaw puzzle of stuff already out there.
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3 weeks ago, Paul John Dykes read out an e-mail he had received on his CQN podcast. you will find it here https://www.spreaker.com/user/9888433/the-cqn-podcast-a-celtic-state-of-mind-e_3 (sorry don't know how to do linky things ) -goto 106:10 to hear it. Surely this recent info is related to that e-mail?
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stephen74
8 Aug 2017, 01:10 PM
3 weeks ago, Paul John Dykes read out an e-mail he had received on his CQN podcast. you will find it here https://www.spreaker.com/user/9888433/the-cqn-podcast-a-celtic-state-of-mind-e_3 (sorry don't know how to do linky things ) -goto 106:10 to hear it. Surely this recent info is related to that e-mail?
quick summary for those supposed to be working?
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This was tweeted, originally from Darkfish..,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGsToHHXYAA2TXh.jpg
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stephen74
8 Aug 2017, 01:10 PM
3 weeks ago, Paul John Dykes read out an e-mail he had received on his CQN podcast. you will find it here https://www.spreaker.com/user/9888433/the-cqn-podcast-a-celtic-state-of-mind-e_3 (sorry don't know how to do linky things ) -goto 106:10 to hear it. Surely this recent info is related to that e-mail?
Just listened.... That is exactly what this is pertaining to imo.
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8 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM
stephen74
8 Aug 2017, 01:10 PM
3 weeks ago, Paul John Dykes read out an e-mail he had received on his CQN podcast. you will find it here https://www.spreaker.com/user/9888433/the-cqn-podcast-a-celtic-state-of-mind-e_3 (sorry don't know how to do linky things ) -goto 106:10 to hear it. Surely this recent info is related to that e-mail?
quick summary for those supposed to be working?
E-Mail from an unnamed SPFL club advising - Former Chairman when they went into administration was "at the sharp end trying to keep club afloat after administration primarily linked to non payment of tax" "at that time - he saw a number of things that have never been reported which without question bring the Scottish game into disrepute"

The context is an e-mail explaining why their club haven't come out publicly against Rangers as "highly hypocritical for us to call someone elses integrity into question"
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stephen74
8 Aug 2017, 01:37 PM
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8 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM
stephen74
8 Aug 2017, 01:10 PM
3 weeks ago, Paul John Dykes read out an e-mail he had received on his CQN podcast. you will find it here https://www.spreaker.com/user/9888433/the-cqn-podcast-a-celtic-state-of-mind-e_3 (sorry don't know how to do linky things ) -goto 106:10 to hear it. Surely this recent info is related to that e-mail?
quick summary for those supposed to be working?
E-Mail from an unnamed SPFL club advising - Former Chairman when they went into administration was "at the sharp end trying to keep club afloat after administration primarily linked to non payment of tax" "at that time - he saw a number of things that have never been reported which without question bring the Scottish game into disrepute"

The context is an e-mail explaining why their club haven't come out publicly against Rangers as "highly hypocritical for us to call someone elses integrity into question"
cheers

lets hope the cqn lads put a time limit on the sfa, don't fancy weeks of this :lol:
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murphio
8 Aug 2017, 01:03 PM
I have no idea mate; I very much doubt some piece of smoking gun evidence has been uncovered 14 years later. What would that evidence even be? I guess we'll have to wait and see; and I certainly hope it's more than just a jigsaw puzzle of stuff already out there.
Yup. I'm sceptical as eff, too.

Surely if the game is as corrupt as many believe, then there wouldn't be a need to fix any games, they'd just take care of themselves?
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stephen74
8 Aug 2017, 01:37 PM
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8 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM
stephen74
8 Aug 2017, 01:10 PM
3 weeks ago, Paul John Dykes read out an e-mail he had received on his CQN podcast. you will find it here https://www.spreaker.com/user/9888433/the-cqn-podcast-a-celtic-state-of-mind-e_3 (sorry don't know how to do linky things ) -goto 106:10 to hear it. Surely this recent info is related to that e-mail?
quick summary for those supposed to be working?
E-Mail from an unnamed SPFL club advising - Former Chairman when they went into administration was "at the sharp end trying to keep club afloat after administration primarily linked to non payment of tax" "at that time - he saw a number of things that have never been reported which without question bring the Scottish game into disrepute"

The context is an e-mail explaining why their club haven't come out publicly against Rangers as "highly hypocritical for us to call someone elses integrity into question"
It seems like CQN emailed members or former members of the SPL/SPFL to ask for their responses over the inaction to punish Rangers. They received a response from one club which was surprisingly candid and talked of corruption yet to be released into the public domain and the SFA contacting solicitors etc as a result. I'd guess this information has been collated with interviews from individuals and presented to the SFA for a response. Which seems slightly accidental and maybe at odds with the 'year long investigation'; or maybe the email dotted an I and crossed a t.
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I can't believe there will be any new evidence being uncovered of that match being fixed all these years later - the likes of Calderwood & Nichol wouldn't have needed documentation to not be motivated to win the game (especially when you see some of the players in their ranks that day), it would all have been a nod and a wink stuff and probably similar telephone conversations to the one that Calderwood spilled the beans on about Murray being responsible for him getting the Dunfermline job.

For what it's worth, I don't believe Calderwood or Nichol would have been explicit in telling the players to lose the game - they're not that daft. I just think they were likely extremely lax in preparation and wouldn't exactly have the players geared up to winning it plus were tactically not exactly tight which would have gotten got through to the players. Is that fixing a match? Possibly, but almost impossible to prove.
Edited by Jimbo Jones, 8 Aug 2017, 02:25 PM.
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