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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,517 Views)
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I'm sure they have strong legal advice and know what they are doing
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I'm sure they have strong legal advice and know what they are doing
and I'm certain that everything Paul at CQN has seen, Celtic will have seen and will be advising the best way forward.
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7 Aug 2017, 08:30 PM
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7 Aug 2017, 08:15 PM
This topic seems an appropriate place to copy this from Barcabhoy on SFM.

Barcabhoy

August 7, 2017 at 14:18


Fisiani,

Celtic aren’t employing a QC . The fans are.

Celtic have direct access , as a member of both the SFA and the SPFL. They have already succeeded in a committment from the SPFL to a wide ranging enquiry . We await the terms of reference of that enquiry. However it will not include the potential to set aside the LNS enquiry, according to Rod McKenzie

Hence the need for the fans to ask a court to do so.The basis is LNS was not provided with relevent evidence of use of unlawful or irregular tax schemes . LNS , by his own words , said he proceeded on the basis that these schemes were lawful. He also stated that the SPL had rules to prevent breaches of Sporting Integrity and he found Rangers guilty of that , but not in a manner that provided Sporting Advantage.

Based on what was hidden from LNS plus what has been ruled on by the Supreme Court , that conclusion by LNS looks fundamentally flawed

The SFA have failed completely in their role as protector of the game. I have no doubt whatsever that Celtic want fundamental change there. However at this stage the fans don’t have a specific decision that the SFA have made , in regards to the Sporting Advantage , that was the subject of an independent panel, and therefore open to a JR request
I agree that the non decisions described above by BRTH should be the subject and included in an SFA commisioned fully independent review . However as yet they have decided a 3 monkeys approach is all we are getting . Lets see if Celtic get enough support from other clubs on this one
A wide-ranging enquiry isn't a success, and if Barcabhoy and/or Celtic think it is, they're deluded.

Since 2012 the whitewashing of all this has all happened in full view of everyone, including Celtic. Celtic are on the inside and being treated like excrement on a shoe. They don't seem to mind it too much.
Depends on the terms of reference which is what Celtic are trying to get right.

Id hold off before making a judgement but it keeps the process going. SFA ducking and diving like the F in their name.

Here was my response to Barca re McKenzie.

BarcabhoyAugust 7, 2017 at 14:18 Fisiani,

Celtic aren’t employing a QC . The fans are.

Celtic have direct access , as a member of both the SFA and the SPFL. They have already succeeded in a committment from the SPFL to a wide ranging enquiry . We await the terms of reference of that enquiry. However it will not include the potential to set aside the LNS enquiry, according to Rod McKenzie
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Why on earth not? If there was some sort contract in the 5 Way that says that could not happen what would be consequences of breaking it?
Could one club sue another or the SPFL or SFA? Which club? On what basis? That there was an agreement not to apply sporting sanctions even though merited?

In short who the hell is going to want to go to court and against whom on that basis?

This “defence” is not about failing to applying sporting sanctions, its about the parties who were guilty of guaranteeing it and engineering that result not getting their jotters. I include McKenzie as an engineer and Regan and Doncaster as the mechanics.

Having said that I do appreciate there has to be a separate process for getting rid of those fighting a rear guard action, one that all supporters of all clubs (bar one) will want to get behind.

Glad also to hear Celtic want fundamental change in the SFA to be protectors of the game, even if its taken 4 years to start.
What Barca buoy is doing is exactly the right start point

And he is to be commended for it and supported if need be
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Seemed great in the Twitter frenzy of last night but this morning ........

As many have said , do all the work to uncover this stiry then hand it all over to...........THE SFA ! The very bunch who have form for covering up and ignoring as much as possible stuff like this , "nuclear" stuff. ? I'm dubious. Even if as CQN claim they can publish at anytime they are at least giving various parties a heads up and time to get stories straight/destroy evidence/ work on their evasion strategies .

Can't see it coming to much .
I think you can assume they have copies of everything. Maybe giving the SFA the chance to act before passing to someone else. Hope so anyway.
Given how close cqn is to powers that be do you not think that this is thought through

I do

And as said above I'd take this effin title
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8 Aug 2017, 07:09 AM
Seemed great in the Twitter frenzy of last night but this morning ........

As many have said , do all the work to uncover this stiry then hand it all over to...........THE SFA ! The very bunch who have form for covering up and ignoring as much as possible stuff like this , "nuclear" stuff. ? I'm dubious. Even if as CQN claim they can publish at anytime they are at least giving various parties a heads up and time to get stories straight/destroy evidence/ work on their evasion strategies .

Can't see it coming to much .
I think you can assume they have copies of everything. Maybe giving the SFA the chance to act before passing to someone else. Hope so anyway.
Given how close cqn is to powers that be do you not think that this is thought through

I do

And as said above I'd take this effin title
TBH I smell a smelly smelly rat -I hope it isn't so but this is the kind of story that may well be totally and utterly
discredited leaving huge doubts in the publics minds about other issues for which the evidence is real and substantial.

Yes go get the bastards but tread carefully!!
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Yes , wee Maloney got done very early in the game .
Sure it was Kilwinnings own Alan Mahood that done him. Look at some highlights of the game, Kilmarnock players were allowed to assault us that day.
aye, it was mahood. thing is, a couple of weeks later he was cutting about my ancestral home in tuscany where i was holidaying as kilmarnock used it for pre season. i wanted to knock the carrot out. bastard!
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Sure it was Kilwinnings own Alan Mahood that done him. Look at some highlights of the game, Kilmarnock players were allowed to assault us that day.
And, if memory serves, the Dunfermline goalie was Mr Derek Stillie from Cumnock....
Scott Wilson, Barry Nicholson. Calderwood and Jimmy Nichol on the sidelines. How the eff has it taken so long to come out ffs. :lol:
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And, if memory serves, the Dunfermline goalie was Mr Derek Stillie from Cumnock....
Scott Wilson, Barry Nicholson. Calderwood and Jimmy Nichol on the sidelines. How the eff has it taken so long to come out ffs. :lol:
cheating doesnt happen in scotland. it only goes on in places like italy!
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8 Aug 2017, 06:59 AM

Ps And their sixth was never a penalty.
I was in London that weekend. Had to listen to it on the radio (prob 5 Live). Butcher was co-comentating. When they got the pen, even he laughed and said it was never a penalty.
Edited by Brucebhoy, 8 Aug 2017, 09:14 AM.
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Larbertbhoy
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Seemed great in the Twitter frenzy of last night but this morning ........

As many have said , do all the work to uncover this stiry then hand it all over to...........THE SFA ! The very bunch who have form for covering up and ignoring as much as possible stuff like this , "nuclear" stuff. ? I'm dubious. Even if as CQN claim they can publish at anytime they are at least giving various parties a heads up and time to get stories straight/destroy evidence/ work on their evasion strategies .

Can't see it coming to much .
I think you can assume they have copies of everything. Maybe giving the SFA the chance to act before passing to someone else. Hope so anyway.
That must be the idea - give the SFA the opportunity to address it and if they don't act accordingly; publish - you therefore achieve two objectives.
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8 Aug 2017, 07:56 AM

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Scott Wilson, Barry Nicholson. Calderwood and Jimmy Nichol on the sidelines. How the eff has it taken so long to come out ffs. :lol:
cheating doesnt happen in scotland. it only goes on in places like italy!
Yet even there they actually punish cheats
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cheating doesnt happen in scotland. it only goes on in places like italy!
Yet even there they actually punish cheats
As i've had plenty of opportunity to point out recently... The game in Italy is now more honest than the game in Scotland.
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If someone had evidence of something like this happening I'm confused why they would sit on it for 14 years.
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Double post
Edited by philibhoy, 8 Aug 2017, 09:12 AM.
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8 Aug 2017, 09:10 AM
If someone had evidence of something like this happening I'm confused why they would sit on it for 14 years.
Maybe because the evidence has only recently come to light? :brickwall:

Edit: RTC now suggesting that the story, whatever it is, is not connected to actual match-fixing.
Edited by Torquemada, 8 Aug 2017, 09:29 AM.
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I really hope this is the real deal.

I would like to think they wouldn't run this story and hint at so much if it wasn't the real deal. I wish they would of just published and then let the SFA deal with afterwards but again legally I would assume they would need to be watertight.
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Even if the referee, the linesman and the whole Dunfermline team and management were proven to have taken bungs that day, the MSM and the Scottish football authorities would find a way to ignore it, sweep it off the back pages and demand we all move on.

We've already had incontrovertible proof of the corruption within the Scottish game: Jim Farry deliberately withholding Cadete's registration, Hugh Dallas being proven to be an anti-Catholic bigot, Sandy Bryson inventing a ludicrous testimony to excuse the illegal registration of an entire team.

The game is utterly corrupt. has been for a century-and they are never going to change. Why do people think there is ANY piece of evidence that will ever change that?

The only thing that will conceivably change it is if the Celtic board take legal action against the entire footballing establishment.

So, as I said, nothing will change.
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The claim that CQN should have published the evidence that has been uncovered presupposes that any Scottish organ would have published it. The only one of them who touched the Uefa letter was the liar from STV who carefully excised the word "club" when quoting the letter to make it seem Uefa agreed that only the company had died. :nono:

No one in the SMSM or elsewhere will touch a story until its provenance has been confirmed -- a tough job sometimes.
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If someone had evidence of something like this happening I'm confused why they would sit on it for 14 years.
Maybe because the evidence has only recently come to light? :brickwall:

Edit: RTC now suggesting that the story, whatever it is, is not connected to actual match-fixing.
Barcabhoy said throughout the whole RTC story there was still something 'nuclear' to come out.

When pushed on it before he said it wasn't his story to reveal..
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Jessica Ennis proudly posing with her gold medal the other night.

I bet she didn't have to go find the proof or hire her own lawyer. And no mention of it being ridiculous to accept it.

In athletics, years of doping might just give you a 1/100th of a second advantage in a big race, or a percentage point of a lead in a decathlon or whatever.

Similarly, football titles are often one by a single goal being the difference over 38 games. Obviously we all know about dodgy rrefereeing they are hard to prove - even when referees are proven to be liars a false narrative is created to make the club who suffered the injustice somehow responsible for creating a 'refereeing crisis' which then created a sense that for the good of the game we should all just move on.

Even at the LNS fiasco IIRC the deid huns were found guilty of as serious a charge as was possible 'outside of matchfixing'.

Does anyone seriously believe that this club that has used every underhand method and dark handshake available to its advantage wouldn't then go that one step further and rig matches? Especially as we know that the rewards of the following season's champions league money would keep them afloat.

Rangers have bought titles and along the way lined many individuals' pockets with, essentially, stolen loot. No one should be moving on from anywhere until we find out what carrot done it, as they say in the movies.

And as for Mols and the rest with their 'disnae count' pish, does that mean when then 80s huns were finishing 5th then titles didn't count because they were garbage? Does a cup win v Hibs or Hearts not count because the huns got knocked out in the first round? Is it our fault that the hopeless carrots couldn't beat hearts in the league or Motherwell in the play off?

Talk about disrespect for Scottish football. Should have been run out of town for good.

With all the shampoo that we know they've done, we can only imagine what went into those industrial shredders.
Edited by Ned Rise, 8 Aug 2017, 10:00 AM.
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