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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,527 Views)
Antoninho
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Safe standing = Jump about.

Sounds legit.
Edited by Antoninho, 3 Aug 2017, 05:54 PM.
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justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 01:35 PM
my 2 sons have ST's in the safe standing area.
Letter received from the board today.
If they want to remain in the SS area, they must agree to:-

Only occupy allocated seat
Not use flares, fireworks or pyrotechnics
Not to throw objects or missiles
Not to engage in hate speech or behaviour
Not to display banners or engage in any singing / chanting which could reasonably be considered to be racial, sectarian, political, homophobic or discrimatory.
Not to block aisles and or vomitories (including from orchestrated lateral movement)
not to engage in overcrowding, surging or crushing in section
To respect and respond to the reasonable directions of stewards and the police and to raise any concerns with the club after the event
Not to obstruct crowd movement
Not to engage in rapid crowd movement or rushing (including lateral movement)
Not to engage in vigorous movement in a stationary crowd(particularly including moshing)
Not to engage in conduct that may lead to falls, including crowd surfing
Not to engage in conduct that may lead to falling objects / people (including crowd surfers)

There isn't an approved song list with the letter, or a suitable dress code, however, seems the sanitisation of the SS area has begun. Can't see the GB agreeing to theses restrictions, so imagine that they will no longer be there and we'll be back to the morgue it was before they became ring masters.
Aside from the ever controversial issue of the rights and wrongs of political songs, everything else on that list sounds like common sense. There was a very good reason why terracing was outlawed in football stadiums.
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Singing certain songs has abolutely nothing (zero, zilch, nada) to do with the safety certificate of the safe standing section being renewed.

Singing certain songs had absolutely nothing to do with the recent UEFA fines.

Quite why that should be highlighted in a letter to season ticket holders banned for "safety" reasons is anyone's guess.

The safety certificate for the safe standing area was never seriously in doubt. The people were banned to appease UEFA.
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justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 04:51 PM
kellybhoy
3 Aug 2017, 04:20 PM
justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 01:35 PM
my 2 sons have ST's in the safe standing area.
Letter received from the board today.
If they want to remain in the SS area, they must agree to:-

Only occupy allocated seat
Not use flares, fireworks or pyrotechnics
Not to throw objects or missiles
Not to engage in hate speech or behaviour
Not to display banners or engage in any singing / chanting which could reasonably be considered to be racial, sectarian, political, homophobic or discrimatory.
Not to block aisles and or vomitories (including from orchestrated lateral movement)
not to engage in overcrowding, surging or crushing in section
To respect and respond to the reasonable directions of stewards and the police and to raise any concerns with the club after the event
Not to obstruct crowd movement
Not to engage in rapid crowd movement or rushing (including lateral movement)
Not to engage in vigorous movement in a stationary crowd(particularly including moshing)
Not to engage in conduct that may lead to falls, including crowd surfing
Not to engage in conduct that may lead to falling objects / people (including crowd surfers)

There isn't an approved song list with the letter, or a suitable dress code, however, seems the sanitisation of the SS area has begun. Can't see the GB agreeing to theses restrictions, so imagine that they will no longer be there and we'll be back to the morgue it was before they became ring masters.
Seems fair enough conditions for a safe standing section.
I disagree completely.
I thought the whole point of the Safe Standing area was to allow fans to display their exuberant side.
The board seem to want fans to stand still, only sing approved songs and never to air any political feelings.
I can't see there being a rush to get seats in the area. Fans might as well just sit in their current seats and not sing or jump about there.
Unless you think removing the GB & sanitising the SS section will somehow improve the atmosphere at CP.
We were the 1st club in the UK to introduce SS area and could be the 1st club in the UK to close the SS area.
To me the only questionable condition is this one"
Not to engage in vigorous movement in a stationary crowd(particularly including moshing)
I don't see a problem with the rest. And why would it be necessary to "express political feelings" while watching a football match?
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justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 05:29 PM
Wanyerma
3 Aug 2017, 05:01 PM
justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 04:51 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Celtic have to operate the SS section under the auspices of the legislation re stadium safety that exists now. The area was never going to the jungle. None of the requirements look unreasonable in that context.
If that's the conditions they are insisting on, then they might as well just close the section and be done with it.
Safe Standing areas are supposed to give fans the opportunity to jump about, otherwise why have them?
The SS area have kept the atmosphere going at CP, they lift the team and keep them going (even Brendan admits to this) and can unnerve the opposition.
Do you imagine these restriction will help or hinder that?
If other areas of the ground make political points, e.g. fly Palestine flags, unfurl banners not approved by the board, sing political songs (the rebs?) will they also be given conditions to agree to, or is it just the SS area that has to conform?
Do you actually believe all these stipulations will actually be enforced?

Of course they won't. Is it any different to a concert where you're not allowed to film yet everybody and their dug had their phone out during the performance?

There are certain elements of the conditions that need clarified like banners etc and what is their definition of hate speech but in the main it's a pile of nonsense that won't be enforced.
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justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 01:35 PM
my 2 sons have ST's in the safe standing area.
Letter received from the board today.
If they want to remain in the SS area, they must agree to:-

Only occupy allocated seat
Not use flares, fireworks or pyrotechnics
Not to throw objects or missiles
Not to engage in hate speech or behaviour
Not to display banners or engage in any singing / chanting which could reasonably be considered to be racial, sectarian, political, homophobic or discrimatory.
Not to block aisles and or vomitories (including from orchestrated lateral movement)
not to engage in overcrowding, surging or crushing in section
To respect and respond to the reasonable directions of stewards and the police and to raise any concerns with the club after the event
Not to obstruct crowd movement
Not to engage in rapid crowd movement or rushing (including lateral movement)
Not to engage in vigorous movement in a stationary crowd(particularly including moshing)
Not to engage in conduct that may lead to falls, including crowd surfing
Not to engage in conduct that may lead to falling objects / people (including crowd surfers)

There isn't an approved song list with the letter, or a suitable dress code, however, seems the sanitisation of the SS area has begun. Can't see the GB agreeing to theses restrictions, so imagine that they will no longer be there and we'll be back to the morgue it was before they became ring masters.
Nothing wrong with that , safety is paramount.
Anyone not happy with the terms , simple choice I think
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I must have missed the crowd surfing!
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Nothing on the SFA/SPFL whitewash? FFS.
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Wailer
3 Aug 2017, 06:24 PM
I must have missed the crowd surfing!
Happened probably about five years ago on the odd occasion.

Ronnie Hawthorn :nono:
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Walter Sobchak
3 Aug 2017, 05:59 PM
Singing certain songs has abolutely nothing (zero, zilch, nada) to do with the safety certificate of the safe standing section being renewed.

Singing certain songs had absolutely nothing to do with the recent UEFA fines.

Quite why that should be highlighted in a letter to season ticket holders banned for "safety" reasons is anyone's guess.

The safety certificate for the safe standing area was never seriously in doubt. The people were banned to appease UEFA.
Check out section 7 of the agreement every ST holder effectively signs up to when they buy one.

http://cdn.celticfc.net/assets/downloads/ST1617-TCs.pdf

FFS none of this is either new, or rocket science.
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Walter Sobchak
3 Aug 2017, 05:59 PM
Singing certain songs has abolutely nothing (zero, zilch, nada) to do with the safety certificate of the safe standing section being renewed.

Singing certain songs had absolutely nothing to do with the recent UEFA fines.

Quite why that should be highlighted in a letter to season ticket holders banned for "safety" reasons is anyone's guess.

The safety certificate for the safe standing area was never seriously in doubt. The people were banned to appease UEFA.
The more those songs are sung, the more police will stand around blocking the stairwells.

The club doesn't have the balls to point out that the police are solely responsible for that safety issue, so they blame the fans as usual.
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paulfg42
3 Aug 2017, 06:32 PM
Nothing on the SFA/SPFL whitewash? FFS.
Just re-reading Phil Mac's book 'Downfall....'. Some of the parallels to five years ago are quite scary, including the then Board's silence at a very crucial time. The fans did it then and will have to do it again now. Methinks the current Board will do sweet f.a. again unless/until pushed into by the fans.
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The safety certificate for the safe standing area was never seriously in doubt. The people were banned to appease UEFA.


How do you know?Why did the club have to apply for an extension to the last one?
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Still nothing...
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The Scott Sinclair song where the GB all crouch down then jump up and go mental.
Come on you boys in green, chorus where everyone jumps about in the chorus.
The song where the GB does the lateral movement (doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)?
Does anyone think they don't add something to the atmosphere / spectacle at CP?
All banned under the new rules.
As will be half of the song book.

And no more political stuff - Palestine, food banks, anti-fascist shows against right wing teams - no place at CP- seriously?

Roy Keane and his prawn sandwich brigade comes to mind - fans sitting about, waiting to be entertained - the sanitisation of CP in full flow.
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justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 10:44 PM
The Scott Sinclair song where the GB all crouch down then jump up and go mental.
Come on you boys in green, chorus where everyone jumps about in the chorus.
The song where the GB does the lateral movement (doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)?
Does anyone think they don't add something to the atmosphere / spectacle at CP?
All banned under the new rules.
As will be half of the song book.

And no more political stuff - Palestine, food banks, anti-fascist shows against right wing teams - no place at CP- seriously?

Roy Keane and his prawn sandwich brigade comes to mind - fans sitting about, waiting to be entertained - the sanitisation of CP in full flow.
Do they not collect food for the food banks outside the ground?

BTW there are loads of songs about Celtic that they could perhaps sing instead of political songs.
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justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 10:44 PM
The Scott Sinclair song where the GB all crouch down then jump up and go mental.
Come on you boys in green, chorus where everyone jumps about in the chorus.
The song where the GB does the lateral movement (doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)?
Does anyone think they don't add something to the atmosphere / spectacle at CP?
All banned under the new rules.
As will be half of the song book.

And no more political stuff - Palestine, food banks, anti-fascist shows against right wing teams - no place at CP- seriously?

Roy Keane and his prawn sandwich brigade comes to mind - fans sitting about, waiting to be entertained - the sanitisation of CP in full flow.
And do you SERIOUSLY think these moves will be outlawed? As I said before, it's largely window dressing. But you always get the ones (I suspect you are one of them) who want to go a bit further and a bit further and a bit further until someone says - right, that's enough. And then you want to moan and groan about it.

Go to the game and don't act the arse. It's pretty easy to do.
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justinjest
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3 Aug 2017, 11:10 PM
justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 10:44 PM
The Scott Sinclair song where the GB all crouch down then jump up and go mental.
Come on you boys in green, chorus where everyone jumps about in the chorus.
The song where the GB does the lateral movement (doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)?
Does anyone think they don't add something to the atmosphere / spectacle at CP?
All banned under the new rules.
As will be half of the song book.

And no more political stuff - Palestine, food banks, anti-fascist shows against right wing teams - no place at CP- seriously?

Roy Keane and his prawn sandwich brigade comes to mind - fans sitting about, waiting to be entertained - the sanitisation of CP in full flow.
And do you SERIOUSLY think these moves will be outlawed? As I said before, it's largely window dressing. But you always get the ones (I suspect you are one of them) who want to go a bit further and a bit further and a bit further until someone says - right, that's enough. And then you want to moan and groan about it.

Go to the game and don't act the arse. It's pretty easy to do.
Actually, I'm one of those who sit in the front stand, so going a bit further there would probably be singing out loud - not a lot of lateral movement / moshing goes on around me - there are a few swear words shouted now and again, but it's probably me that shouts them.
When I first started to watch Celtic on a regular basis, I went to the jungle with my mates to enjoy the buzz / atmosphere - exactly what the safe standing should be about for the younger ones today.
You obviously would prefer a more sanitised CP - you're welcome to it, because that appears to be the way we're headed. I enjoy the spectacle that the GB / the standing area bring to the game and if I were a lot younger, that's where I'd want to watch the game from.
It's hard to believe that the youth of this country try to push the boundaries - the country is going to the dogs.
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justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 10:44 PM
The Scott Sinclair song where the GB all crouch down then jump up and go mental.
Come on you boys in green, chorus where everyone jumps about in the chorus.
The song where the GB does the lateral movement (doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)?
Does anyone think they don't add something to the atmosphere / spectacle at CP?
All banned under the new rules.
As will be half of the song book.

And no more political stuff - Palestine, food banks, anti-fascist shows against right wing teams - no place at CP- seriously?

Roy Keane and his prawn sandwich brigade comes to mind - fans sitting about, waiting to be entertained - the sanitisation of CP in full flow.
You need to grow up mate, thats just childish making stuff up.
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4 Aug 2017, 12:03 AM
justinjest
3 Aug 2017, 10:44 PM
The Scott Sinclair song where the GB all crouch down then jump up and go mental.
Come on you boys in green, chorus where everyone jumps about in the chorus.
The song where the GB does the lateral movement (doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo)?
Does anyone think they don't add something to the atmosphere / spectacle at CP?
All banned under the new rules.
As will be half of the song book.

And no more political stuff - Palestine, food banks, anti-fascist shows against right wing teams - no place at CP- seriously?

Roy Keane and his prawn sandwich brigade comes to mind - fans sitting about, waiting to be entertained - the sanitisation of CP in full flow.
You need to grow up mate, thats just childish making stuff up.
drew, could you point out the bits he's making up?
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