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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,534 Views)
Auldyin
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28 Jul 2017, 11:22 AM
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28 Jul 2017, 04:44 AM
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27 Jul 2017, 07:45 PM

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Ever heard of the saying plan long, act short?

After any JR (if it happens) has done its job and disappeared, what will it take to give supporters an input into the many other issues that bedevil the game?

One of the reasons supporters are ignored is that there is no capacity or platform on which they can legitimately stand.

The SFSA, who are independent of the SFA and, unlike the Supporters Direct are not funded by the SFA, are the best bet for introducing that capacity and they have a plan for doing it.

They are as much in favour as any other supporters for regime change but, having to appeal to supporters of all clubs, have to be seen to be more even handed in their approach.

A true story on planning long and acting short. An Engineer was called in by the RAF to advise pilots where to place their bombs in bringing down bridges in Bosnia. He pointed out the best supporting structures to hit not just for maximum effect in closing the bridge but also where rebuilding the supports would be easiest after the war was over. The engineer planned long, the pilots acted short but they worked together.


where has the long game got us, Auldyin? I say that with the upmost respect.

The past 2 days has taken us into uncharted waters in the sheer naked effrontery of the deceit that has been the hallmark of Scottish football for 20 years. They think and know that the media will not challenge them, and that fans of other clubs are getting sick of the whole shebang. That is what they are counting on.

I doubt Fergus would have done the gentleman's club approach to all of this.
where any game long or short takes you - now.

I was talking about from now in terms of SFSA. The capacity for supporters to have an officially recognised platform to speak on their behalf from an informed base simply does not exist.

The current situation makes that stark, and strengthens the case for building that capacity.

The SFSA do not yet have the authority to make demands of SFA, but if enough folk join and take the survey then that gives them a better chance armed with the results of putting a foot in the door then forcing it open.

It all takes the time it takes, long or short.
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28 Jul 2017, 02:39 PM
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28 Jul 2017, 04:47 AM
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28 Jul 2017, 12:27 AM

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There's a story why the same guy doesn't run SD any more, the SFA didn't like his independent approach and the SFSA are not funded by the SFA, but SD are.

That's good enough for me.

I hear Regan was raging at the video of the cup draw. That I like too.
What was that about again (the video)?
A jibe at the SFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7bC2s-VxzY&feature=youtu.be
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We might as well just throw in the towel as BFDJ says sevco have been punished enough and its now time to move on :nono:
Edited by weebaldy, 28 Jul 2017, 08:34 PM.
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28 Jul 2017, 02:15 PM
I don't know if everyone here had the misfortune of hearing Chris McLaughlin's sit down with Neil Doncaster and Ralph Topping.

If you didn't hear it, listen to it and prepare to be raging. I wonder what Lawwell etc were thinking listening to it.
An interesting comparison of what Topping told the DR and what he said in 2013 about the punishment/sanctions

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/toppings-who-knew-what-when/comment-page-4/#comment-3094079

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/toppings-who-knew-what-when/comment-page-6/#comment-3094189
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Auldyin
28 Jul 2017, 04:47 AM
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27 Jul 2017, 07:45 PM

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The same SFSA set up by the guy who used to run Supporters Direct Scotland? The same SFSA funded by the SFA to be the voice of the fan?

Hmmm...
There's a story why the same guy doesn't run SD any more, the SFA didn't like his independent approach and the SFSA are not funded by the SFA, but SD are.

That's good enough for me.

I hear Regan was raging at the video of the cup draw. That I like too.
probably cos the guy in the film had nicer teeth
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Edited by Speedy Gonzales, 28 Jul 2017, 08:42 PM.
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28 Jul 2017, 04:47 AM
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28 Jul 2017, 12:27 AM
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27 Jul 2017, 07:45 PM

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The same SFSA set up by the guy who used to run Supporters Direct Scotland? The same SFSA funded by the SFA to be the voice of the fan?

Hmmm...
There's a story why the same guy doesn't run SD any more, the SFA didn't like his independent approach and the SFSA are not funded by the SFA, but SD are.

That's good enough for me.

I hear Regan was raging at the video of the cup draw. That I like too.
Good :lol: :carrot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7bC2s-VxzY&feature

(Won't embed, for some reason...)
Edited by shugmc, 28 Jul 2017, 08:42 PM.
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Auldyin
28 Jul 2017, 08:39 PM
Quiet Assasin
28 Jul 2017, 02:15 PM
I don't know if everyone here had the misfortune of hearing Chris McLaughlin's sit down with Neil Doncaster and Ralph Topping.

If you didn't hear it, listen to it and prepare to be raging. I wonder what Lawwell etc were thinking listening to it.
An interesting comparison of what Topping told the DR and what he said in 2013 about the punishment/sanctions

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/toppings-who-knew-what-when/comment-page-4/#comment-3094079

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/toppings-who-knew-what-when/comment-page-6/#comment-3094189
What's the source of that email?
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28 Jul 2017, 08:30 PM
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28 Jul 2017, 11:22 AM
Auldyin
28 Jul 2017, 04:44 AM

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where has the long game got us, Auldyin? I say that with the upmost respect.

The past 2 days has taken us into uncharted waters in the sheer naked effrontery of the deceit that has been the hallmark of Scottish football for 20 years. They think and know that the media will not challenge them, and that fans of other clubs are getting sick of the whole shebang. That is what they are counting on.

I doubt Fergus would have done the gentleman's club approach to all of this.
where any game long or short takes you - now.

I was talking about from now in terms of SFSA. The capacity for supporters to have an officially recognised platform to speak on their behalf from an informed base simply does not exist.

The current situation makes that stark, and strengthens the case for building that capacity.

The SFSA do not yet have the authority to make demands of SFA, but if enough folk join and take the survey then that gives them a better chance armed with the results of putting a foot in the door then forcing it open.

It all takes the time it takes, long or short.
Having seen the SFA report on Reporting Scotland, the likes of Henry McLeish being involved doesn't inspire hope. No accident either that in said report all the "ills" of Scottish football were listed they wanted to change, but none of them were RTC or Res 12.
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Time to start throwing our weight around.

1. The club and the fans must refuse to take away tickets

2. All our Scotland players (at every level) to have a cold during international week

3. At every press conference we are obligated to do every question should have the same answer - "strip the ttles"

4. Boycott the SPFL & SFA sponsors and tell them why

5. Cover every competition sponsors logos on the strips and at CP
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greenjedi
29 Jul 2017, 01:17 AM
Time to start throwing our weight around.
What if our board don't want to?
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28 Jul 2017, 09:03 PM
Auldyin
28 Jul 2017, 08:30 PM
Wanyerma
28 Jul 2017, 11:22 AM

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where any game long or short takes you - now.

I was talking about from now in terms of SFSA. The capacity for supporters to have an officially recognised platform to speak on their behalf from an informed base simply does not exist.

The current situation makes that stark, and strengthens the case for building that capacity.

The SFSA do not yet have the authority to make demands of SFA, but if enough folk join and take the survey then that gives them a better chance armed with the results of putting a foot in the door then forcing it open.

It all takes the time it takes, long or short.
Having seen the SFA report on Reporting Scotland, the likes of Henry McLeish being involved doesn't inspire hope. No accident either that in said report all the "ills" of Scottish football were listed they wanted to change, but none of them were RTC or Res 12.
McLeish put a lot of work into two reports on the SFA containing many good recommendations, few of which were adopted.

He is not a happy chappy as a result recognising the structures are the biggest barrier to change.

Perfect motivation for change seeing good hard work being arrogantly ignored .
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29 Jul 2017, 01:19 AM
greenjedi
29 Jul 2017, 01:17 AM
Time to start throwing our weight around.
What if our board don't want to?
Exactly, I don't think there's any hunger from our board to do anything.

If we were going to act we would have. The board will hind behind the SPFL statement.
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28 Jul 2017, 08:58 PM
Auldyin
28 Jul 2017, 08:39 PM
Quiet Assasin
28 Jul 2017, 02:15 PM
I don't know if everyone here had the misfortune of hearing Chris McLaughlin's sit down with Neil Doncaster and Ralph Topping.

If you didn't hear it, listen to it and prepare to be raging. I wonder what Lawwell etc were thinking listening to it.
An interesting comparison of what Topping told the DR and what he said in 2013 about the punishment/sanctions

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/toppings-who-knew-what-when/comment-page-4/#comment-3094079

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/toppings-who-knew-what-when/comment-page-6/#comment-3094189
What's the source of that email?
I'm content it's genuine and is consistent with Topping's current view on sanctions.
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29 Jul 2017, 01:23 AM
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29 Jul 2017, 01:19 AM
greenjedi
29 Jul 2017, 01:17 AM
Time to start throwing our weight around.
What if our board don't want to?
Exactly, I don't think there's any hunger from our board to do anything.

If we were going to act we would have. The board will hind behind the SPFL statement.
Not what I'm hearing. SFA and SPFL being tackled with vigour.

Plenty of evidence of dishonesty to allow Celtic to do so. From early 2011 everything done by SFA & SPL was to stop Rangers disappearing off the Scottish football map, including granting UEFA licence when it should not have been, then allowing to trade for 4 months whilst insolvent, causing creditors to lose money.

All to much to ignore.
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Henry McLeish is a gobshampooe politician. Did zip fro the game when first minister and is to much an establishment type to shake things up.
Edited by CM1975, 29 Jul 2017, 01:40 AM.
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greenjedi
29 Jul 2017, 01:17 AM
Time to start throwing our weight around.

1. The club and the fans must refuse to take away tickets

2. All our Scotland players (at every level) to have a cold during international week

3. At every press conference we are obligated to do every question should have the same answer - "strip the ttles"

4. Boycott the SPFL & SFA sponsors and tell them why

5. Cover every competition sponsors logos on the strips and at CP
Is this 2012 and the huns have been told to go to the fourth division?
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Auldyin
29 Jul 2017, 01:31 AM
Not what I'm hearing. SFA and SPFL being tackled with vigour.
How solid is your info?
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29 Jul 2017, 01:42 AM
greenjedi
29 Jul 2017, 01:17 AM
Time to start throwing our weight around.

1. The club and the fans must refuse to take away tickets

2. All our Scotland players (at every level) to have a cold during international week

3. At every press conference we are obligated to do every question should have the same answer - "strip the ttles"

4. Boycott the SPFL & SFA sponsors and tell them why

5. Cover every competition sponsors logos on the strips and at CP
Is this 2012 and the huns have been told to go to the fourth division?
OK then just carry on as normal and let more than a decade of cheating go unpunished
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greenjedi
29 Jul 2017, 01:49 AM
Big Drew
29 Jul 2017, 01:42 AM
greenjedi
29 Jul 2017, 01:17 AM
Time to start throwing our weight around.

1. The club and the fans must refuse to take away tickets

2. All our Scotland players (at every level) to have a cold during international week

3. At every press conference we are obligated to do every question should have the same answer - "strip the ttles"

4. Boycott the SPFL & SFA sponsors and tell them why

5. Cover every competition sponsors logos on the strips and at CP
Is this 2012 and the huns have been told to go to the fourth division?
OK then just carry on as normal and let more than a decade of cheating go unpunished
There might just be another way. Rather than throwing the toys oot the pram.
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