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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,552 Views)
Wanyerma
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ronny_is_not_da_man
19 Jul 2017, 01:41 PM
remy mcswain
19 Jul 2017, 12:13 PM
I don't care if it ends up as Celtic v SPFL/SFA/Rangers just so long as we take them on.
Couldn't agree more. Regardless of who else gets involved it is always going to be turned into us v the SPFL/SFA by those in press who will desperately try to protect the huns.

Hope you are right Boab and we are on this.
If the email chain published on JJ blog is accurate, then it is clearly us vs them. Even to the extent that our rep on the board was asked his opinion on it and given a deadline while traveling.
Edited by Wanyerma, 19 Jul 2017, 03:00 PM.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:11 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 12:06 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 10:07 AM
I'd hope the board are talking to other clubs to try and get them to do something, but telling them they will be launching a full scale legal challenge and saying to them do they really want to piss off their fans by doing nothing.
I spoke to the chairman of an spfl club on Saturday and he's convinced they'll attempt to sweep it under the carpet unless we decide to force the issue. I was also gobsmacked to hear him say that ebts were legal at that time :angry: it maybe shows what were up against if we don't take the bull by the horns this time.
As long as this is seen as just a Celtic vs them issue were pissing against the wind
Fans of other clubs may feel the same as us but if they don't convince heir clubs to do anything about it in the end it will just fizzle out
I get the feeling that those in power at most other clubs wish that this would all just go away
Latest from JJ is interesting.


https://johnjamessite.com/author/sitonfence/

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Two things caught my eye the first which relates to other clubs getting involved.


Aberdeen fans will wonder at Aberdeen FC silence now given their CEOS views then.


Rangers explanation about why they never registered side letters no longer stands up when we now know that they deliberately did nor reveal De Boer/Flo side letters to HMRC in 2005, leading HMRC in 2011 before the LNS saga got underway to accuse Rangers of fraud or negligence, yet LNS says no question of dishonesty.

Aye right. Dickson got away with the same excuse in his FTT testimony but that FTT was only focussed on the BTC so would not have that information.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:13 PM
I don't care if it ends up as Celtic v SPFL/SFA/Rangers just so long as we take them on.
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19 Jul 2017, 01:29 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 12:31 PM

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Only if we definitely want to lose. Like or not the Bryson interpretation of 'imperfect registration' has killed any chance of doing anything re the registration issue. It may be total contrary to any do concept of justice but we need to forget all about revisiting LNS. I've actually found the emails on the JJ site very informative as they clearly show that LNS was solely concerned with the registration aspect and paid little or no heed to the tax issue. There is nothing the sfa/spfl would like more to keep this all within the LNS strait jacket. There position is that since lns didn't look at the tax position so by definition a change to the tax position (i.e the sc ruling) does not allow for lns to be revisited - hence the 'nothing we can do' line from sfa and topping.

Imo, and i said this a few weeks ago, the approach here has to be looking at this under the 'bringing the game into disrepute' procedure that was used against Craig Whyte. He got done for one years cheating on taxes - old Huns must now be done for eleven years cheating on taxes.
I couldn't disagree with you any more about the registration issue.

LNS reasoning was predicated on the point the players were eligible although improperly registered solely from Brysons evidence.
He did also say there may be extreme cases where they are ineligible from the outset.
If this isn't an extreme case then I don't know what is.

Lets not forget Bryson was there during the Cadete / Farry disgrace.
Further to that the SFA had twice investigated itself and found Farry had no case to answer.
As soon as Fergus took it to an independent body he was exposed virtually instantly.

A judicial review of LNS would do the same.

Lets see how Bryson answers when under oath and is actually questioned on the lies he
spouted at the SPL commision.
There is an excellent argument from BRTH based on the UEFA view on private agreements used by Giannina FC that were not disclosed in their accounts that the accounts submitted by them failed fair presentation rules which meant the application was invalid from the outset.

The meaning BRTH took from that is that the club should never be in the competition in the first place. They were ineligible for failing full disclosure. UEFA as I understand it do not accept proportionality in terms of their rules. You either meet them or you don't.

This is one of the many reasons why LNS has to be set aside. It creates dangerous precedents down through all levels of the game for which SFA are responsible for.

We all know of we have played amateur football what a ringer is? Under Bryson law if no one spots it after a couple of weeks does that make the ringer eligible?
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19 Jul 2017, 09:07 AM
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19 Jul 2017, 12:03 AM
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9 Jul 2017, 05:24 PM
Wee Fergus would have handed that shower of bowling club arseholes their dinner by now. I dont know wtf is keeping Lawell on co from taking this mob to task
Incompetence and self-interest
I hear the Board are very much "on this" :thumbsup:
They will have had their own copy of the SPL Board minutes of 2013 and were aware from 2014 that certain evidence was not disclosed, but frustrating as it was, it was right to wait until the SC ruled and on the UEFA licence issue Res12 boys suggested in Dec to wait for CW trial to end which strengthened the case.

However there is still much to be done and silence should not be taken as reluctance, probably the reverse.
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Auldyin
19 Jul 2017, 03:07 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 02:41 PM
steviefrombelfast
19 Jul 2017, 01:29 PM

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I couldn't disagree with you any more about the registration issue.

LNS reasoning was predicated on the point the players were eligible although improperly registered solely from Brysons evidence.
He did also say there may be extreme cases where they are ineligible from the outset.
If this isn't an extreme case then I don't know what is.

Lets not forget Bryson was there during the Cadete / Farry disgrace.
Further to that the SFA had twice investigated itself and found Farry had no case to answer.
As soon as Fergus took it to an independent body he was exposed virtually instantly.

A judicial review of LNS would do the same.

Lets see how Bryson answers when under oath and is actually questioned on the lies he
spouted at the SPL commision.
There is an excellent argument from BRTH based on the UEFA view on private agreements used by Giannina FC that were not disclosed in their accounts that the accounts submitted by them failed fair presentation rules which meant the application was invalid from the outset.

The meaning BRTH took from that is that the club should never be in the competition in the first place. They were ineligible for failing full disclosure. UEFA as I understand it do not accept proportionality in terms of their rules. You either meet them or you don't.

This is one of the many reasons why LNS has to be set aside. It creates dangerous precedents down through all levels of the game for which SFA are responsible for.

We all know of we have played amateur football what a ringer is? Under Bryson law if no one spots it after a couple of weeks does that make the ringer eligible?
Exactly

Its all bullshampoo designed to protect their favourite club.

It sickens me and the feeling wont go away until justice has been done.
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I'll make my prediction now - it will come to nothing - sad but true.

Feel free to cast it up as/if I'm proved wrong.
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19 Jul 2017, 03:29 PM
I'll make my prediction now - it will come to nothing - sad but true.

Feel free to cast it up as/if I'm proved wrong.
I feel the "can do" spirit evidenced in your avatar is sadly lacking in your attitude here, fella!
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Wanyerma
19 Jul 2017, 04:11 PM
searcher52
19 Jul 2017, 03:29 PM
I'll make my prediction now - it will come to nothing - sad but true.

Feel free to cast it up as/if I'm proved wrong.
I feel the "can do" spirit evidenced in your avatar is sadly lacking in your attitude here, fella!
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They were quick enough to hand us the biggest ever 'tapping up' fine, that should be another reason to take these bastards on.
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Auldyin
19 Jul 2017, 03:07 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 02:41 PM
steviefrombelfast
19 Jul 2017, 01:29 PM

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I couldn't disagree with you any more about the registration issue.

LNS reasoning was predicated on the point the players were eligible although improperly registered solely from Brysons evidence.
He did also say there may be extreme cases where they are ineligible from the outset.
If this isn't an extreme case then I don't know what is.

Lets not forget Bryson was there during the Cadete / Farry disgrace.
Further to that the SFA had twice investigated itself and found Farry had no case to answer.
As soon as Fergus took it to an independent body he was exposed virtually instantly.

A judicial review of LNS would do the same.

Lets see how Bryson answers when under oath and is actually questioned on the lies he
spouted at the SPL commision.
There is an excellent argument from BRTH based on the UEFA view on private agreements used by Giannina FC that were not disclosed in their accounts that the accounts submitted by them failed fair presentation rules which meant the application was invalid from the outset.

The meaning BRTH took from that is that the club should never be in the competition in the first place. They were ineligible for failing full disclosure. UEFA as I understand it do not accept proportionality in terms of their rules. You either meet them or you don't.

This is one of the many reasons why LNS has to be set aside. It creates dangerous precedents down through all levels of the game for which SFA are responsible for.

We all know of we have played amateur football what a ringer is? Under Bryson law if no one spots it after a couple of weeks does that make the ringer eligible?
I accept all the points re had bad the LNS commission was and how it needs to be put aside. However imo if that is an aim the best way to go about it is still through the ' disrepute' route on tax evasion. Win that first and the whole lot crumbles and will take lns with it.
Going straight after lns is too risky, there are too many nooks, crannies and Bryson Interpretations for them to hide behind. Any grounds for going after lns are necessarily complicated or easily deflected. No matter how valid those grounds are. However purposely evading taxes for eleven years is fairly simple and hard to defend.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:13 PM
I don't care if it ends up as Celtic v SPFL/SFA/Rangers just so long as we take them on.
:thumbsup: Second this wholeheartedly.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:13 PM
I don't care if it ends up as Celtic v SPFL/SFA/Rangers just so long as we take them on.
:thumbsup: Second this wholeheartedly.
Peter Lawell not stood for re-election to SPFL Board !!!! :naught: :naught:
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19 Jul 2017, 05:25 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 12:13 PM
I don't care if it ends up as Celtic v SPFL/SFA/Rangers just so long as we take them on.
:thumbsup: Second this wholeheartedly.
Peter Lawell not stood for re-election to SPFL Board !!!! :naught: :naught:
I wonder what reasoning went into that. It will have been given serious thought.
Then over to the SFA.
Have my own thoughts, and I hope their right. :pray:
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What's the story with Lawell stepping down from the SPFL board?

Seen it on someone else's computer there. Think it may have been the Record website.
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20 Jul 2017, 02:25 PM
What's the story with Lawell stepping down from the SPFL board?

Seen it on someone else's computer there. Think it may have been the Record website.
He's movin on up to the SFA.
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Seen hot takes on Lawell not standing from JJ and JF today. Hope there is tactics to it.
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20 Jul 2017, 02:25 PM
What's the story with Lawell stepping down from the SPFL board?

Seen it on someone else's computer there. Think it may have been the Record website.
He's going to join the SFA board instead
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Supporters suffer for not having the independent means of making their views known in a cohesive way.

The Scottish Football Supporters Association are a new movement who are trying to remedy that.

SFM have a report on the launch with links to the survey. The more who complete the louder and more authoritive the voice.

https://www.sfm.scot/launch-of-sfsa-fans-survey/
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remy mcswain
19 Jul 2017, 12:13 PM
I don't care if it ends up as Celtic v SPFL/SFA/Rangers just so long as we take them on.
We've done it before, notably with regards the flying of the Tricolour at CP and more recently with the Cadete issue.

Effin gloves off, all in. They effin hate us anyway, it's not like we'll be losing allies.
Edited by Bawman, 21 Jul 2017, 06:09 PM.
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