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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,553 Views)
leangreen
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Hamillbhoy
9 Jul 2017, 05:24 PM
Wee Fergus would have handed that shower of bowling club arseholes their dinner by now. I dont know wtf is keeping Lawell on co from taking this mob to task
Incompetence and self-interest
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leangreen
19 Jul 2017, 12:03 AM
Hamillbhoy
9 Jul 2017, 05:24 PM
Wee Fergus would have handed that shower of bowling club arseholes their dinner by now. I dont know wtf is keeping Lawell on co from taking this mob to task
Incompetence and self-interest
I hear the Board are very much "on this" :thumbsup:
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19 Jul 2017, 09:07 AM
leangreen
19 Jul 2017, 12:03 AM
Hamillbhoy
9 Jul 2017, 05:24 PM
Wee Fergus would have handed that shower of bowling club arseholes their dinner by now. I dont know wtf is keeping Lawell on co from taking this mob to task
Incompetence and self-interest
I hear the Board are very much "on this" :thumbsup:
music to my ears :thumbsup:
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19 Jul 2017, 09:07 AM
leangreen
19 Jul 2017, 12:03 AM
Hamillbhoy
9 Jul 2017, 05:24 PM
Wee Fergus would have handed that shower of bowling club arseholes their dinner by now. I dont know wtf is keeping Lawell on co from taking this mob to task
Incompetence and self-interest
I hear the Board are very much "on this" :thumbsup:
That would be nice.
I still have the suspicion that the board are very much "in this" up to their ears.
I will be delighted if it turns out that I'm wrong.
Edited by Tiny Tim, 19 Jul 2017, 09:56 AM.
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I'd hope the board are talking to other clubs to try and get them to do something, but telling them they will be launching a full scale legal challenge and saying to them do they really want to piss off their fans by doing nothing.
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Is the SPFL AGM not scheduled for relatively soon? Last year elections to the Board that saw Budge, Dempster etc appointed took place almost exactly a year ago.

http://spfl.co.uk/news/article/spfl-clubs-elect-board-for-201617/

Why is it difficult for the media to be transparent on when these major meetings actually take place? In 2012 they were virtually camped outside Hampden during June and July.

The AGM seems a good starting point for discussions, but I have not heard a peep from a journalist or blogger as to when this meeting is scheduled.
Edited by Forza, 19 Jul 2017, 10:17 AM.
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Auldyin
18 Jul 2017, 11:48 PM
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There are a few posts like this one below on the Sevco Topic which is fast changing and the issues of LNS and impact of SC decision get lost.

Perhaps a change of topic name or addition of SC Decision might see other posts on the Sevco blog be made here? Res12 now lies with the Celtic Board so9 its relevant to existing topic title.

JJ seems to have an insight into what took place in 2013 when the SPL Board met to discuss the LNS decision, which might be pf specific interest to some.


Interesting stuff from JJ for a change.

LNS looked at whether the registration of the players was valid only. We have to accept that has been done.

What is now needed is an entirely new process to address the sporting advantage gained by using what has now been irrefutably established as illegal tax avoidance.

LNS is not the issue and can't be revisited.

We now have a new problem outwith the scope of LNS given that the Supreme Court has finally concluded.

The process has to follow the same process as outlined in JJ'S blog.
This post from CQN explains why it may be taking a while for SPFL to make an official statement in response to Celtic's expectations.

Xxxbhoy



Any statement with authority has to come from the SPFL Board so Topping’s interview does not cut it.

Funnily enough the SPL never made an official statement in 2013 as I recall. Only Stephen Thomson said anything to the waiting press but the SPL Board never to my memory gave an official statement. So Topping’s effort might have been an attempt at trying the same trick.

There has to be as the JJ stuff shows, a minuted meeting following a discusion of all the pros and cons and a Decision reached by the Board possibly after consulting member SPFL clubs.

That is going to take time so calm yer jets. A river needs no pushing it flows all by itself.

All that should happen now is to compare the position then to now.

All ebts are now unlawful.

There is evidence of dishonesty possibly fraud or negligence but still dishonesty according to HMRC documents LNS was not provided with.

There was non disclosure of the above by Duff and Phelps.

The SFA appear to have told Res12 lawyers that they had one of those documents in 2011.

Now if business were properly conducted all of those factors should be taken into account by all clubs and a decision reached.

The longer it takes to make a statemnet is as Chair boy has said a good sign rather than bad one.

JJ has shown what happened in Feb 2013 there is no reason that process should not be repeated but not by Teleconference.
I don't understand how the LNS decision on player registration can be regarded as valid, particularly as the advice on 'imperfect registration' seems clearly outside the SFA rulebook.
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Tiny Tim
19 Jul 2017, 09:55 AM
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19 Jul 2017, 09:07 AM
leangreen
19 Jul 2017, 12:03 AM

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I hear the Board are very much "on this" :thumbsup:
That would be nice.
I still have the suspicion that the board are very much "in this" up to their ears.
I will be delighted if it turns out that I'm wrong.
like you TT i hope our board or certain members of it are not compromised by their positions/actions at the time

Eric Riley being unavailable for vote looks like preserving position for later and was all that could be done in circs - i hope that was case by all involved throughout altho to be clear i do think our board are smart enough to realise that they can argue positions can change as facts emerged
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paulfg42
19 Jul 2017, 10:29 AM
Auldyin
18 Jul 2017, 11:48 PM
Mods

There are a few posts like this one below on the Sevco Topic which is fast changing and the issues of LNS and impact of SC decision get lost.

Perhaps a change of topic name or addition of SC Decision might see other posts on the Sevco blog be made here? Res12 now lies with the Celtic Board so9 its relevant to existing topic title.

JJ seems to have an insight into what took place in 2013 when the SPL Board met to discuss the LNS decision, which might be pf specific interest to some.


Interesting stuff from JJ for a change.

LNS looked at whether the registration of the players was valid only. We have to accept that has been done.

What is now needed is an entirely new process to address the sporting advantage gained by using what has now been irrefutably established as illegal tax avoidance.

LNS is not the issue and can't be revisited.

We now have a new problem outwith the scope of LNS given that the Supreme Court has finally concluded.

The process has to follow the same process as outlined in JJ'S blog.
This post from CQN explains why it may be taking a while for SPFL to make an official statement in response to Celtic's expectations.

Xxxbhoy



Any statement with authority has to come from the SPFL Board so Topping’s interview does not cut it.

Funnily enough the SPL never made an official statement in 2013 as I recall. Only Stephen Thomson said anything to the waiting press but the SPL Board never to my memory gave an official statement. So Topping’s effort might have been an attempt at trying the same trick.

There has to be as the JJ stuff shows, a minuted meeting following a discusion of all the pros and cons and a Decision reached by the Board possibly after consulting member SPFL clubs.

That is going to take time so calm yer jets. A river needs no pushing it flows all by itself.

All that should happen now is to compare the position then to now.

All ebts are now unlawful.

There is evidence of dishonesty possibly fraud or negligence but still dishonesty according to HMRC documents LNS was not provided with.

There was non disclosure of the above by Duff and Phelps.

The SFA appear to have told Res12 lawyers that they had one of those documents in 2011.

Now if business were properly conducted all of those factors should be taken into account by all clubs and a decision reached.

The longer it takes to make a statemnet is as Chair boy has said a good sign rather than bad one.

JJ has shown what happened in Feb 2013 there is no reason that process should not be repeated but not by Teleconference.
I don't understand how the LNS decision on player registration can be regarded as valid, particularly as the advice on 'imperfect registration' seems clearly outside the SFA rulebook.
It wasn't valid though. They were found guilty. The punishment was fudged on all sorts of dodgy reasoning.
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19 Jul 2017, 10:07 AM
I'd hope the board are talking to other clubs to try and get them to do something, but telling them they will be launching a full scale legal challenge and saying to them do they really want to piss off their fans by doing nothing.
I spoke to the chairman of an spfl club on Saturday and he's convinced they'll attempt to sweep it under the carpet unless we decide to force the issue. I was also gobsmacked to hear him say that ebts were legal at that time :angry: it maybe shows what were up against if we don't take the bull by the horns this time.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:06 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 10:07 AM
I'd hope the board are talking to other clubs to try and get them to do something, but telling them they will be launching a full scale legal challenge and saying to them do they really want to piss off their fans by doing nothing.
I spoke to the chairman of an spfl club on Saturday and he's convinced they'll attempt to sweep it under the carpet unless we decide to force the issue. I was also gobsmacked to hear him say that ebts were legal at that time :angry: it maybe shows what were up against if we don't take the bull by the horns this time.
As long as this is seen as just a Celtic vs them issue were pissing against the wind
Fans of other clubs may feel the same as us but if they don't convince heir clubs to do anything about it in the end it will just fizzle out
I get the feeling that those in power at most other clubs wish that this would all just go away
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I don't care if it ends up as Celtic v SPFL/SFA/Rangers just so long as we take them on.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:11 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 12:06 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 10:07 AM
I'd hope the board are talking to other clubs to try and get them to do something, but telling them they will be launching a full scale legal challenge and saying to them do they really want to piss off their fans by doing nothing.
I spoke to the chairman of an spfl club on Saturday and he's convinced they'll attempt to sweep it under the carpet unless we decide to force the issue. I was also gobsmacked to hear him say that ebts were legal at that time :angry: it maybe shows what were up against if we don't take the bull by the horns this time.
As long as this is seen as just a Celtic vs them issue were pissing against the wind
Fans of other clubs may feel the same as us but if they don't convince heir clubs to do anything about it in the end it will just fizzle out
I get the feeling that those in power at most other clubs wish that this would all just go away
Forget about the EBTs, the players weren't registered correctly and that has to be the main focus.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:13 PM
I don't care if it ends up as Celtic v SPFL/SFA/Rangers just so long as we take them on.
This

It aint as if we're going to get any favourable coverage up here anyway.

Who gives a shampoo what people see it as, we have to take it to its natural conclusion.
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henrikisgod
19 Jul 2017, 12:11 PM
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greenjedi
19 Jul 2017, 10:07 AM
I'd hope the board are talking to other clubs to try and get them to do something, but telling them they will be launching a full scale legal challenge and saying to them do they really want to piss off their fans by doing nothing.
I spoke to the chairman of an spfl club on Saturday and he's convinced they'll attempt to sweep it under the carpet unless we decide to force the issue. I was also gobsmacked to hear him say that ebts were legal at that time :angry: it maybe shows what were up against if we don't take the bull by the horns this time.
As long as this is seen as just a Celtic vs them issue were pissing against the wind
Fans of other clubs may feel the same as us but if they don't convince heir clubs to do anything about it in the end it will just fizzle out
I get the feeling that those in power at most other clubs wish that this would all just go away
There was a report of a meeting with someone from the Scottish Football Monitor and Reagan a few months ago. I remember at the time reading it and thinking that it was quite obvious that they've decided to portray it as just a few Celtic fans having a go at Rangers- probably intentionally, as a tactic- there's probably an email discussing it, which will surface eventually. ;)
If Celtic need to go it alone, we'll just have to, but I think that for any kind of action to succeed, we need other clubs on board too.
Edited by Tiny Tim, 19 Jul 2017, 01:42 PM.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:31 PM
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19 Jul 2017, 12:11 PM
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As long as this is seen as just a Celtic vs them issue were pissing against the wind
Fans of other clubs may feel the same as us but if they don't convince heir clubs to do anything about it in the end it will just fizzle out
I get the feeling that those in power at most other clubs wish that this would all just go away
Forget about the EBTs, the players weren't registered correctly and that has to be the main focus.
Only if we definitely want to lose. Like or not the Bryson interpretation of 'imperfect registration' has killed any chance of doing anything re the registration issue. It may be total contrary to any do concept of justice but we need to forget all about revisiting LNS. I've actually found the emails on the JJ site very informative as they clearly show that LNS was solely concerned with the registration aspect and paid little or no heed to the tax issue. There is nothing the sfa/spfl would like more to keep this all within the LNS strait jacket. There position is that since lns didn't look at the tax position so by definition a change to the tax position (i.e the sc ruling) does not allow for lns to be revisited - hence the 'nothing we can do' line from sfa and topping.

Imo, and i said this a few weeks ago, the approach here has to be looking at this under the 'bringing the game into disrepute' procedure that was used against Craig Whyte. He got done for one years cheating on taxes - old Huns must now be done for eleven years cheating on taxes.
Edited by steviefrombelfast, 19 Jul 2017, 01:30 PM.
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19 Jul 2017, 12:13 PM
I don't care if it ends up as Celtic v SPFL/SFA/Rangers just so long as we take them on.
Couldn't agree more. Regardless of who else gets involved it is always going to be turned into us v the SPFL/SFA by those in press who will desperately try to protect the huns.

Hope you are right Boab and we are on this.
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I don't care if it ends up as Celtic v SPFL/SFA/Rangers just so long as we take them on.
Agreed.

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It shouldn't be a case of Celtic vs SPFL/SFA/Rangers but ultimately I'd rather that than nothing.

I'm surprised clubs that were relegated during these years or missed out on higher league places or indeed even beaten by them in cup finals aren't kicking up more of a fuss. For the obvious advantage they gave themselves there's the knock on disadvantage every other club in Scotland had forced upon them. If action isn't taken by someone it's disgraceful.
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Forget about the EBTs, the players weren't registered correctly and that has to be the main focus.
Only if we definitely want to lose. Like or not the Bryson interpretation of 'imperfect registration' has killed any chance of doing anything re the registration issue. It may be total contrary to any do concept of justice but we need to forget all about revisiting LNS. I've actually found the emails on the JJ site very informative as they clearly show that LNS was solely concerned with the registration aspect and paid little or no heed to the tax issue. There is nothing the sfa/spfl would like more to keep this all within the LNS strait jacket. There position is that since lns didn't look at the tax position so by definition a change to the tax position (i.e the sc ruling) does not allow for lns to be revisited - hence the 'nothing we can do' line from sfa and topping.

Imo, and i said this a few weeks ago, the approach here has to be looking at this under the 'bringing the game into disrepute' procedure that was used against Craig Whyte. He got done for one years cheating on taxes - old Huns must now be done for eleven years cheating on taxes.
I couldn't disagree with you any more about the registration issue.

LNS reasoning was predicated on the point the players were eligible although improperly registered solely from Brysons evidence.
He did also say there may be extreme cases where they are ineligible from the outset.
If this isn't an extreme case then I don't know what is.

Lets not forget Bryson was there during the Cadete / Farry disgrace.
Further to that the SFA had twice investigated itself and found Farry had no case to answer.
As soon as Fergus took it to an independent body he was exposed virtually instantly.

A judicial review of LNS would do the same.

Lets see how Bryson answers when under oath and is actually questioned on the lies he
spouted at the SPL commision.
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