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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,554 Views)
Wolvibhoy
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I wonder if there is a bigger play in motion? As I understand it HMRC vigorously pursued this case as there are bigger fish to fry than deid ra*gers particularly in UEFA's "crown jewels" of the EPL (Best league in the world dontcha know). The huge money making machine that continues to redistribute huge amounts of cash around all Europe's top divisions.

The huns were HMRC's precedent case and likewise the SFA's punishment could be classed as a precedent by other associations. I wonder how much pressure is being applied by UEFA/FIFA and influential siblings to the SFA to go easy on this one and not open a shampoocan that they might have to deal with within their own organisations. The SFA don't need much encouragement to bend over backward to help the huns and they will grasp at a "big boy told me to do it" get out of jail free card if it's on offer.

Corrupt bastard everywhere.
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I'm not buying that as an excuse. UEFA tends to let the associations deal with their own disciplinary matters - so precedent set in Scotland wouldn't impact on other associations directly.
Besides, each case is individual - RFC indiscretions may well be much worse than other associations. Besides, there's the added complication of Ogilvie's role in this...
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paulfg42
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The governing body of Scottish football acknowledge a breach of rules but say there is nothing they can do. Unbelievable.
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The governing body of Scottish football say that their rules have been breached and then sort of shake their head and say 'Huns, whit they like?'

Then shuffle off into the distance shaking their head.
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Hairytoes
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5 Jul 2017, 07:10 PM
That SFA response was readied ages ago.

They knew this was coming and are setting their stall.
Everyone knew that it was & everyone knew what the SFA response would be.
Therefore I hope that everyone has their plans set in place to seek justice
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Hamillbhoy
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Wee Fergus would have handed that shower of bowling club arseholes their dinner by now. I dont know wtf is keeping Lawell on co from taking this mob to task
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I don't suppose there's much hurry. We've waited years for the SC verdict. Better that things get done right.

Anyway, south of the river, their arses will be making buttons in the meantime. And so they should.
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One thing I haven't seen on here, I might have missed it though is in regards to Gordon Smith. He was a football agent and I assume he must have had some players signed by Rangers during the EBT years. After he some how got the at the SFA would he not have been duty bound to do something about them as he would have known about the cheating going on.
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greenjedi
9 Jul 2017, 06:43 PM
One thing I haven't seen on here, I might have missed it though is in regards to Gordon Smith. He was a football agent and I assume he must have had some players signed by Rangers during the EBT years. After he some how got the at the SFA would he not have been duty bound to do something about them as he would have known about the cheating going on.
That'll be swept under the rug.
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shugmc
9 Jul 2017, 07:02 PM
greenjedi
9 Jul 2017, 06:43 PM
One thing I haven't seen on here, I might have missed it though is in regards to Gordon Smith. He was a football agent and I assume he must have had some players signed by Rangers during the EBT years. After he some how got the at the SFA would he not have been duty bound to do something about them as he would have known about the cheating going on.
That'll be swept under the rug.
:lol:
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shugmc
9 Jul 2017, 07:02 PM
greenjedi
9 Jul 2017, 06:43 PM
One thing I haven't seen on here, I might have missed it though is in regards to Gordon Smith. He was a football agent and I assume he must have had some players signed by Rangers during the EBT years. After he some how got the at the SFA would he not have been duty bound to do something about them as he would have known about the cheating going on.
That'll be swept under the rug.
:lol: :lol:
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greenjedi
9 Jul 2017, 06:43 PM
One thing I haven't seen on here, I might have missed it though is in regards to Gordon Smith. He was a football agent and I assume he must have had some players signed by Rangers during the EBT years. After he some how got the at the SFA would he not have been duty bound to do something about them as he would have known about the cheating going on.
smith was kenny miller's agent when the huns signed him so it's a certainty he was aware.

more corrupt than that is ogilvie who actually received an ebt then went into office at the sfa.
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See Arthur Numan is on the back pages saying not to strip medals. How about you pay back your £515000 carrot
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Hamillbhoy
9 Jul 2017, 05:24 PM
Wee Fergus would have handed that shower of bowling club arseholes their dinner by now. I dont know wtf is keeping Lawell on co from taking this mob to task
Hopefully we're wanting the hun to start to get some hope back before pulling them apart once more. It's always funnier that way.
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Hoops For Me All The Way
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greenjedi
9 Jul 2017, 06:43 PM
One thing I haven't seen on here, I might have missed it though is in regards to Gordon Smith. He was a football agent and I assume he must have had some players signed by Rangers during the EBT years. After he some how got the at the SFA would he not have been duty bound to do something about them as he would have known about the cheating going on.
It was mentioned earlier Jedi, raised due to his pathetic ramblings on Saterday when invited by Radio Scotland to toe the party line.

He commenced as Chief Executive in 2007 and held the post for about 3 years or so. During his watch, the imperfect registrations would have poured in and been approved by the SFA.

I have not confirmed this but I assume he would not be allowed to act as an agent if he held the post of Chief Executive. It would be lovely for some kind soul to research if any RFC players at Ibrox had contracts with EBT's which had been negotiated by him prior to him taking up his position or even when he was on the 5th floor at Hampden.

That would be really nice, but I don't know how to find that out.

Likewise, what relationship was there between him and Campbell Ogilvey prior to him starting and during his tenure at the SFA.

Let us not forget that the moron Gordon, has limited intelligence and a complete lack of ability to properly manage financial affairs, evidenced by his own bankruptcy.
Edited by Hoops For Me All The Way, 10 Jul 2017, 07:22 AM.
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Hoops For Me All The Way
10 Jul 2017, 07:20 AM
greenjedi
9 Jul 2017, 06:43 PM
One thing I haven't seen on here, I might have missed it though is in regards to Gordon Smith. He was a football agent and I assume he must have had some players signed by Rangers during the EBT years. After he some how got the at the SFA would he not have been duty bound to do something about them as he would have known about the cheating going on.
It was mentioned earlier Jedi, raised due to his pathetic ramblings on Saterday when invited by Radio Scotland to toe the party line.

He commenced as Chief Executive in 2007 and held the post for about 3 years or so. During his watch, the imperfect registrations would have poured in and been approved by the SFA.

I have not confirmed this but I assume he would not be allowed to act as an agent if he held the post of Chief Executive. It would be lovely for some kind soul to research if any RFC players at Ibrox had contracts with EBT's which had been negotiated by him prior to him taking up his position. That would be really nice, but I don't know how to find that out.

Likewise, what relationship was there between him and Campbell Ogilvey prior to him starting and during his tenure at the SFA.

Let us not forget that the moron Gordon, has limited intelligence and a complete lack of ability to properly manage financial affairs, evidenced by his own bankruptcy.
Rumour was his parents hired a carer to look after him and get him the feck out of their house.
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Just one final comment on moron Gordon Smith and his stance that the issues should not be revisited.

To uphold his integrity he should really make it clear he has a vested interest as firstly he was a football agent and would likely be aware of EBT's in his capacity as a football agent even if it was only due to his movements in the small world of football agents and the contacts he would establish. The worst thing for him would be that he actually negotiated an EBT contract foe an RFC player when he was an agent.

Secondly, as Chief Executive of the SFA during the EBT years, Player registrations were being approved at the SFA under his watch. As Chief Executive he should or would have been aware of what was going on.

he has zero integrity if he does not make this clear.
Edited by Hoops For Me All The Way, 10 Jul 2017, 08:21 AM.
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Auldyin
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There are a few posts like this one below on the Sevco Topic which is fast changing and the issues of LNS and impact of SC decision get lost.

Perhaps a change of topic name or addition of SC Decision might see other posts on the Sevco blog be made here? Res12 now lies with the Celtic Board so9 its relevant to existing topic title.

JJ seems to have an insight into what took place in 2013 when the SPL Board met to discuss the LNS decision, which might be pf specific interest to some.


Interesting stuff from JJ for a change.

LNS looked at whether the registration of the players was valid only. We have to accept that has been done.

What is now needed is an entirely new process to address the sporting advantage gained by using what has now been irrefutably established as illegal tax avoidance.

LNS is not the issue and can't be revisited.

We now have a new problem outwith the scope of LNS given that the Supreme Court has finally concluded.

The process has to follow the same process as outlined in JJ'S blog.
This post from CQN explains why it may be taking a while for SPFL to make an official statement in response to Celtic's expectations.

Xxxbhoy



Any statement with authority has to come from the SPFL Board so Topping’s interview does not cut it.

Funnily enough the SPL never made an official statement in 2013 as I recall. Only Stephen Thomson said anything to the waiting press but the SPL Board never to my memory gave an official statement. So Topping’s effort might have been an attempt at trying the same trick.

There has to be as the JJ stuff shows, a minuted meeting following a discusion of all the pros and cons and a Decision reached by the Board possibly after consulting member SPFL clubs.

That is going to take time so calm yer jets. A river needs no pushing it flows all by itself.

All that should happen now is to compare the position then to now.

All ebts are now unlawful.

There is evidence of dishonesty possibly fraud or negligence but still dishonesty according to HMRC documents LNS was not provided with.

There was non disclosure of the above by Duff and Phelps.

The SFA appear to have told Res12 lawyers that they had one of those documents in 2011.

Now if business were properly conducted all of those factors should be taken into account by all clubs and a decision reached.

The longer it takes to make a statemnet is as Chair boy has said a good sign rather than bad one.

JJ has shown what happened in Feb 2013 there is no reason that process should not be repeated but not by Teleconference.
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JJ'sblog for reference

https://johnjamessite.com/2017/07/10/fatally-compromised/#comments

and for good measure (with apologies for the adverts) James Forrest take on what to make of the surfacing transparency.

https://thecelticblog.com/2017/07/blogs/the-evidence-mounts-up-that-the-lns-inquiry-was-a-sham-scottish-football-needs-a-new-one/
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Hunt them down. :arrr:
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