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| Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,555 Views) | |
| murphio | 5 Jul 2017, 06:43 PM Post #9341 |
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Could start a row in an empty room
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Fair enough but your original position appeared to argue the SFA's view on this was a side issue and that absolutely isn't the case imo. It is the SFA's registration rules which were broken. It is ultimately up to it to make a ruling which would then be turned over to the SPFL to act upon. I think you completely downplay the importance and significance of the SFA's disgraceful - but not in the least bit surprising - statement. The games' governing body should be at the forefront of protecting its own rules. Not waiting for the tail to wag the dog. Reagan needs to GTF. |
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| Midfield Maestro | 5 Jul 2017, 06:54 PM Post #9342 |
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The SPFL's rules were broken too and it's the SPFL where the action is - that's where we can lobby most effectively and that's where the league title issue will be decided. I do think the SFA is a sideshow as, to be honest, I'm not that fussed about the cups and I don't expect them to do anything but sweep this under the carpet for as long as they possibly can. Totally agree with what you're saying; I just think that the reality is that the SPFL is where it's at for just now. Edit: and my original point on the other thread was really focussed at people who thought the prospect of title stripping was now off the table because of the SFA's statement. Edited by Midfield Maestro, 5 Jul 2017, 06:54 PM.
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| murphio | 5 Jul 2017, 07:05 PM Post #9343 |
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Could start a row in an empty room
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Here's the thing. The rules were clear. All contractual salary payments had to be registered with the SFA. The subsequent argument boiled down to whether the EBT's were contractual salary or loans. Until today the SFA could hide behind the premise they were non contractual loans. Now, a court of law has decided these payments were salary. Ergo the SFA's rules were broken. It's black and white. That statement today absolutely had to acknowledge this and to dismiss it as a sideshow completely misses the point. It is not a sideshow. It is the show. |
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| Bawman | 5 Jul 2017, 07:10 PM Post #9344 |
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Class is permanent.
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That SFA response was readied ages ago. They knew this was coming and are setting their stall. |
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| Carfin | 5 Jul 2017, 07:12 PM Post #9345 |
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My Patter's Improving
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| The Jinkster | 5 Jul 2017, 07:20 PM Post #9346 |
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I don't agree that the SFA are a sideshow. They are for the league titles, but there are a couple of Scottish Cups amongst the 14 trophies they cheated their way to, and I want to see them ALL stripped. |
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| Midfield Maestro | 5 Jul 2017, 07:24 PM Post #9347 |
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I don't disagree that they breached the SFA rules. Thing is, they also breached the SPL Rules and that's what's relevant for the purposes of stripping the league titles and that's where I think we can get more traction. The titles are the show for me, not the cups. Not sure how many more times you need me to say that but I'm bored now. |
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| Midfield Maestro | 5 Jul 2017, 07:24 PM Post #9348 |
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Aye, that's fair enough. |
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| murphio | 5 Jul 2017, 07:29 PM Post #9349 |
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They are not even a sideshow for the league titles; remember it is the SFA's rules the SPFL abides by. It is the SFA's rules which were broken. The SFA absolutely has to be the driver. Had Rangers won the Champions League Uefa would look to the SFA - not the other way around. |
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| Midfield Maestro | 5 Jul 2017, 07:31 PM Post #9350 |
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Nope. The SPL had its own rules on registration and disclosure of payments. It's the old SPL Rules which are relevant for the titles, not the SFA's. Edit to say: and I think the SPFL is able to sanction for a breach of SFA rules in any event. Edited by Midfield Maestro, 5 Jul 2017, 07:37 PM.
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| murphio | 5 Jul 2017, 07:38 PM Post #9351 |
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Could start a row in an empty room
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Surely the SFA's rules take precedence over any other. I have always been under the assumption the broken rules were SFA rules. And if what you are saying is correct the old SPL no longer exists; how can it hand down retrospective punishments? Genuine question. |
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| jbj712 | 5 Jul 2017, 07:40 PM Post #9352 |
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Getting on a bit
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One of the worst things that ever happened for Scottish football was the building of the new stand at Hampdump. Not only did it leave three sides of the ground completely unaltered, it also saw the building of office accommodation for the SFA and then SFL. You now have all these Hun bastards working side by side with each other very fecking day. You only have to remember the Dallas email scandal to see what the pervading ethos is inside that building. The are all Huns and will do everything in their collective power to put this all to bed and try to move on. They should be forced to remove the Scotland part of their titles because the only club in Scotland that they are interested in is the one at the Bigotdome! CFC and the other clubs need to listen to heir fan/customer bases and start the process of cleansing that shampoohouse at Hampdump! Scottish football cannot hope to start to move forward until everyone plays by the same rules and is subject to them. Those rules need to be applied without fear or favour! Scottish football is in a poor state at present however if this is not sorted it will be in terminal decline. If it does nothing about this scandal it will deserve to die! |
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| Midfield Maestro | 5 Jul 2017, 07:55 PM Post #9353 |
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The SPL is now the SPFL. It's the same company - it just changed its name from The Scottish Premier League Limited to The Scottish Professional Football League Limited when the leagues were restructured a few years ago. It is the SPFL which will decide on title stripping, because the league is the SPFL's competition. The historic SFA registration rules are to some extent relevant for title stripping because they were effectively imported into the SPL rules by the SPL's Articles (which every member of the SPL was signed up to) but the SPL did go on to develop its own distinct registration and disclosure rules separate from the SFA. This is why the SPFL Commission under Nimmo-Smith looked at old SPL rules and even older SFA rules. So for the purposes of the league, the broken rules were SFA and SPL rules (depending on which seasons you are talking about) but the SFA rules were adopted into the SPL rules by the SPL (as it then was) and it is ultimately the SPFL rather than the SFA which will determine whether there are any sanctions in relation to league matches in which Oldco fielded players who were improperly registered. Edited by Midfield Maestro, 5 Jul 2017, 07:56 PM.
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| Tiny Tim | 5 Jul 2017, 07:57 PM Post #9354 |
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"a Premier League player in all but status"
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Wouldn't be surprised if this was the main subject of the cosy wee tête á tête Reagan and King had a couple of weeks ago. |
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| Willie Wonka | 5 Jul 2017, 09:01 PM Post #9355 |
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Slavery fled, oh glorious dead
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If regan is lining up with King he's aligning with the wrong man. There's only one powerhouse in Scottish football, hopefully they do the right thing. |
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| Jinkys 7 | 5 Jul 2017, 09:09 PM Post #9356 |
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The Guy.
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Spot on.
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| pads99 | 5 Jul 2017, 09:16 PM Post #9357 |
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Club Captain
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Heard Broadfoot is largely responsible for their communication strategy even though he left to set up his own consultancy |
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| tomtheleedstim | 5 Jul 2017, 09:20 PM Post #9358 |
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First-team captain
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Posted this link a couple of weeks ago to much interest ![]() Might be worth another look in the current climate https://www.sfm.scot/time-to-make-things-happen/ |
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| Balham_Tic | 5 Jul 2017, 09:20 PM Post #9359 |
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First-team starter
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Can we - and other fans from Scottish clubs - bring a class action against the SFA /SPFL? Main premise that they haven't upheld their laws in respect of todays decision and thus bringing the game into dispute. We cant wait for them to move. We need to get this going. |
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| MON's Left Eyebrow | 6 Jul 2017, 01:36 AM Post #9360 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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You'd have thought that PL would've been able to stick the boot in given his role in controlling every aspect of Scottish football Unless... |
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