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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,556 Views)
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5 Jul 2017, 04:57 PM
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Lets see Celtics response now.
Yup. No more sitting back and keeping your powder dry. We'll soon see if our board has the stomach for the fight. Aye, let's just breenge in five hours after the decision was delivered.
We will need to be patient and clever here.
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5 Jul 2017, 04:58 PM
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Lets see Celtics response now.
Yup. No more sitting back and keeping your powder dry. We'll soon see if our board has the stomach for the fight.
Aye, let's just breenge in five hours after the decision was delivered. We will need to be patient and clever here. We need to wait until the SPFL declare their position.
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CMC88
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5 Jul 2017, 05:00 PM
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- Loomer3
- 5 Jul 2017, 04:51 PM
Is this tax case appeal not all a bit of a red herring anyway? The players registrations with the football authorities was the main rule breaker. Doesn't matter how it was done. Spartans being punished for not signing the contract properly being one example off the top of my head. Except the Huns did it deliberately with side letters. Even if BDO won the appeal the players were still not registered properly. Did Sandy Bryson not say that the the players were ' Improperly registered but eligible'? The football authorities plan to do nothing. LNS took the EBT's as legal, anyone was free to do the same.
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Belgrano
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5 Jul 2017, 05:01 PM
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- Midfield Maestro
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Lets see Celtics response now.
Yup. No more sitting back and keeping your powder dry. We'll soon see if our board has the stomach for the fight.
Aye, let's just breenge in five hours after the decision was delivered. We will need to be patient and clever here. Today's judgement could only have gone one of two ways. There was nothing unexpected about it. Celtic have had months - actually years - to prepare their response to the verdict. In fact, even if the verdict had gone against HMRC, there would still have been a strong case to pursue the resolution 12 issue.
As it is - today's judgement just made Celtic's case watertight. And the SFA's immediate response is as disappointing as it is predictable. It's now entirely down to Celtic (and hopefully the other Scottish clubs) to see that justice is finally served.
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CMC88
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5 Jul 2017, 05:02 PM
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- Belgrano
- 5 Jul 2017, 04:45 PM
The SFA have already replied:  The Board of the Scottish FA notes the judgment of the Supreme Court and wishes to clarify the implications of this final legal decision from a football regulatory perspective. In light of the Inner House of the Court of Session decision, the Board of the Scottish FA sought external senior counsel opinion to ensure a robust and independent consideration of all implications of today’s judgment. The Board received written advice from Senior Counsel, amplified when the QC attended a full meeting of the Board to discuss his conclusions. Specifically, Senior Counsel was asked to anticipate whether a determination in favour of HMRC, as announced today, could imply that there had been a breach of the Scottish FA’s Disciplinary Rules as they applied at the time of the EBT payments. The clear opinion of Senior Counsel is that there is a very limited chance of the Scottish FA succeeding in relation to any complaint regarding this matter and that, even if successful, any sanctions available to a Judicial Panel would also be limited in their scope. Accordingly, having had time to consider the opinion from Senior Counsel, and having examined the judgment of the UK Supreme Court, the Board has determined that no further disciplinary action should be taken by the Scottish FA at this time. The speed of that response is laughable.
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5 Jul 2017, 05:09 PM
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The SFA have already replied:  The Board of the Scottish FA notes the judgment of the Supreme Court and wishes to clarify the implications of this final legal decision from a football regulatory perspective. In light of the Inner House of the Court of Session decision, the Board of the Scottish FA sought external senior counsel opinion to ensure a robust and independent consideration of all implications of today’s judgment. The Board received written advice from Senior Counsel, amplified when the QC attended a full meeting of the Board to discuss his conclusions. Specifically, Senior Counsel was asked to anticipate whether a determination in favour of HMRC, as announced today, could imply that there had been a breach of the Scottish FA’s Disciplinary Rules as they applied at the time of the EBT payments. The clear opinion of Senior Counsel is that there is a very limited chance of the Scottish FA succeeding in relation to any complaint regarding this matter and that, even if successful, any sanctions available to a Judicial Panel would also be limited in their scope. Accordingly, having had time to consider the opinion from Senior Counsel, and having examined the judgment of the UK Supreme Court, the Board has determined that no further disciplinary action should be taken by the Scottish FA at this time.
The speed of that response is laughable. They were prepared-its a strong GTF statement, shameless
Celtic now need a similar robust response-theyve had long enough to work out what the form of words should be.
Its put up or be bitch slapped by Regan and Doncaster
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Wailer
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5 Jul 2017, 05:10 PM
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The SFA have already replied:  The Board of the Scottish FA notes the judgment of the Supreme Court and wishes to clarify the implications of this final legal decision from a football regulatory perspective. In light of the Inner House of the Court of Session decision, the Board of the Scottish FA sought external senior counsel opinion to ensure a robust and independent consideration of all implications of today’s judgment. The Board received written advice from Senior Counsel, amplified when the QC attended a full meeting of the Board to discuss his conclusions. Specifically, Senior Counsel was asked to anticipate whether a determination in favour of HMRC, as announced today, could imply that there had been a breach of the Scottish FA’s Disciplinary Rules as they applied at the time of the EBT payments. The clear opinion of Senior Counsel is that there is a very limited chance of the Scottish FA succeeding in relation to any complaint regarding this matter and that, even if successful, any sanctions available to a Judicial Panel would also be limited in their scope. Accordingly, having had time to consider the opinion from Senior Counsel, and having examined the judgment of the UK Supreme Court, the Board has determined that no further disciplinary action should be taken by the Scottish FA at this time.
The speed of that response is laughable. They've had it prepared for months.
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5 Jul 2017, 05:12 PM
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Aye, let's just breenge in five hours after the decision was delivered. We will need to be patient and clever here.
We need to wait until the SPFL declare their position. Agreed, but we also need to be influencing the SPFL to look at this again.
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5 Jul 2017, 05:19 PM
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Aye, let's just breenge in five hours after the decision was delivered. We will need to be patient and clever here.
Today's judgement could only have gone one of two ways. There was nothing unexpected about it. Celtic have had months - actually years - to prepare their response to the verdict. In fact, even if the verdict had gone against HMRC, there would still have been a strong case to pursue the resolution 12 issue. As it is - today's judgement just made Celtic's case watertight. And the SFA's immediate response is as disappointing as it is predictable. It's now entirely down to Celtic (and hopefully the other Scottish clubs) to see that justice is finally served. What good would an angry, righteous public St Atement have done today?
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5 Jul 2017, 05:27 PM
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I'm new. Be gentle.
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Aye, let's just breenge in five hours after the decision was delivered. We will need to be patient and clever here.
We need to wait until the SPFL declare their position. I see what you're saying but my point is that they didn't tell the SFA about the side letters and therefore the players weren't properly registered, hence ineligible. It wouldnt matter if the letters said we'll come round and cut your grass every Tuesday. Just the fact that they were an undisclosed part of their contract broke SFA rules. Or have I got it completely wrong?
Sorry totally wrong quote.
Edited by Loomer3, 5 Jul 2017, 05:28 PM.
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5 Jul 2017, 05:30 PM
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Could start a row in an empty room
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We need to wait until the SPFL declare their position.
Agreed, but we also need to be influencing the SPFL to look at this again. Why should the SFA wait on the SPFL? That the latter employed LNS in the first place is neither here nor there. The proper registration of players is ultimately the responsibilty of the SFA. It is it that should be driving this, not the other way around. That the game's national association and governing body should sit on its hands and wait for the SPFL to act is totally absurd.
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5 Jul 2017, 05:32 PM
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We need to be team handed to do this but at the same time, completely willing to go it alone if no one else is up for the fight.
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5 Jul 2017, 05:36 PM
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Been here before. Their attempts to shoehorn Newco Hun into the SPL and then the First Division no questions asked in 2012 showed how duplicitous these bastards are.
That time the rest of Scottish football stood up and ensured the right thing was done, in spite of some appalling media coverage and threats.
Time to do so again.
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5 Jul 2017, 05:43 PM
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The SFA will get pumped, and they'll effing well like it.
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aldo
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5 Jul 2017, 05:56 PM
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And that's the way we like it...
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The SFA will get pumped, and they'll effing well like it. Barkeep - a half and a half of this man's chutzpah, if y'please!
Edited by aldo, 5 Jul 2017, 05:56 PM.
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5 Jul 2017, 06:17 PM
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Been here before. Their attempts to shoehorn Newco Hun into the SPL and then the First Division no questions asked in 2012 showed how duplicitous these bastards are.
That time the rest of Scottish football stood up and ensured the right thing was done, in spite of some appalling media coverage and threats.
Time to do so again. This is the only way anything will happen. The fans will have to lead the clubs on this, like in 2012.
Celtic will do nothing (again) unless it is clear there will be fans cancelling season tickets/refusing merchandise/boycotting Scottish Cup etc.
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5 Jul 2017, 06:19 PM
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Slavery fled, oh glorious dead
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My ideal result, sfa & spfl taken apart and Celtic get out of Scottish football on the back of this
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5 Jul 2017, 06:27 PM
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Agreed, but we also need to be influencing the SPFL to look at this again.
Why should the SFA wait on the SPFL? That the latter employed LNS in the first place is neither here nor there. The proper registration of players is ultimately the responsibilty of the SFA. It is it that should be driving this, not the other way around. That the game's national association and governing body should sit on its hands and wait for the SPFL to act is totally absurd. They shouldn't but they will.
The fact that the SPFL established the LNS Commission is here and there because it's the only serious and public attempt by any football administrators so far to look at this issue and it proceeded on the assumption that the EBT payments were lawful.
Of course it's absurd, but we know that the SFA will do nothing if it can get away with it.
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5 Jul 2017, 06:29 PM
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Today's judgement could only have gone one of two ways. There was nothing unexpected about it. Celtic have had months - actually years - to prepare their response to the verdict. In fact, even if the verdict had gone against HMRC, there would still have been a strong case to pursue the resolution 12 issue. As it is - today's judgement just made Celtic's case watertight. And the SFA's immediate response is as disappointing as it is predictable. It's now entirely down to Celtic (and hopefully the other Scottish clubs) to see that justice is finally served.
What good would an angry, righteous public St Atement have done today? I've got no problem with Celtic's initial statement today. The SFA's (predictable) response has now firmly placed the ball back in Celtic's (and hopefully the other Scottish clubs) court. It's what Celtic do now that's important.
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5 Jul 2017, 06:32 PM
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Catch some light and it'll be alright
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The SFA have already replied:  The Board of the Scottish FA notes the judgment of the Supreme Court and wishes to clarify the implications of this final legal decision from a football regulatory perspective. In light of the Inner House of the Court of Session decision, the Board of the Scottish FA sought external senior counsel opinion to ensure a robust and independent consideration of all implications of today’s judgment. The Board received written advice from Senior Counsel, amplified when the QC attended a full meeting of the Board to discuss his conclusions. Specifically, Senior Counsel was asked to anticipate whether a determination in favour of HMRC, as announced today, could imply that there had been a breach of the Scottish FA’s Disciplinary Rules as they applied at the time of the EBT payments. The clear opinion of Senior Counsel is that there is a very limited chance of the Scottish FA succeeding in relation to any complaint regarding this matter and that, even if successful, any sanctions available to a Judicial Panel would also be limited in their scope. Accordingly, having had time to consider the opinion from Senior Counsel, and having examined the judgment of the UK Supreme Court, the Board has determined that no further disciplinary action should be taken by the Scottish FA at this time.
The speed of that response is laughable.
They were prepared-its a strong GTF statement, shameless Celtic now need a similar robust response-theyve had long enough to work out what the form of words should be. Its put up or be bitch slapped by Regan and Doncaster I can't imagine Fergus would have taken any shampoo but this present mob I dunno. The fans will need to take the lead here because I think this could be like letting Sevco into the top league. The fans of all clubs lost out & unfortunately it will have to be all of us to force the change here. Other wise the game is a bogey.
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