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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,564 Views)
Wee Ed KTF
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Wee Ed KTF
19 Dec 2016, 11:27 PM
Think I'll wait on Auldyin's report before I lock 'n load
I agree there's not enough in the etims update to get the :pitchfork: out just yet. Their lack of preparation/professionalism is concerning though.

As greenjedi says though, are we really surprised?
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20 Dec 2016, 11:01 AM
Wee Ed KTF
19 Dec 2016, 11:27 PM
Think I'll wait on Auldyin's report before I lock 'n load
I agree there's not enough in the etims update to get the :pitchfork: out just yet. Their lack of preparation/professionalism is concerning though.

As greenjedi says though, are we really surprised?
The alarm bells were ringing at the AGM: that was the occasion for the club to announce it's intended course of action after 4 years of deliberation, rather than just 'further talks' with the R12 guys. It was feared that was nothing more than another time wasting tactic, this latest news points towards that.
Edited by aldo, 20 Dec 2016, 11:30 AM.
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20 Dec 2016, 11:01 AM
Wee Ed KTF
19 Dec 2016, 11:27 PM
Think I'll wait on Auldyin's report before I lock 'n load
I agree there's not enough in the etims update to get the :pitchfork: out just yet. Their lack of preparation/professionalism is concerning though.

As greenjedi says though, are we really surprised?
Auldheid and another of the requisitioners have been posting on CQN about this and I'd say that the etims article is pretty accurate.

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I've just caught up on the resolution 12 updates via CQN and am dismayed and disgusted by the Celtic board. They've made their position clear.
The continued drifting of this thread downwards tells me that the general Celtic support have also made their feelings clear and are no longer interested in the matter.
We get what we deserve.
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Board have played it sweet-filibuster, team 14 points clear
WGAF

We are watching a con, lets be honest.
Its all about the money
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aldo
20 Dec 2016, 11:28 AM
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20 Dec 2016, 11:01 AM
Wee Ed KTF
19 Dec 2016, 11:27 PM
Think I'll wait on Auldyin's report before I lock 'n load
I agree there's not enough in the etims update to get the :pitchfork: out just yet. Their lack of preparation/professionalism is concerning though.

As greenjedi says though, are we really surprised?
The alarm bells were ringing at the AGM: that was the occasion for the club to announce it's intended course of action after 4 years of deliberation, rather than just 'further talks' with the R12 guys. It was feared that was nothing more than another time wasting tactic, this latest news points towards that.
This is what was sent to Res12 signatories at the end of October and copied to Celtic.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6uWzxhblAt9Q2VESzUyZE5VMm8/view?usp=sharing

It was surprising that its contents had not been digested by the AGM in order for Celtic to make a meaningful response.

It was very disappointing that by mid December when shareholder reps met Celtic, no indication was given of Celtic's position.

Some proposals that would allow Celtic to take the matter forward on a credible basis were made and a piece of information only provided the day before in relation to a justification made by the SFA this year for granting the licence that was not made before was provided after the meeting when attention was drawn to it during the meeting, but it is unclear if and when there will be a follow up. The initial E Tim's article reflected that disappointment.

This can be a complex issue but for those interested in an honest game honestly governed some of the background that drove Res12 can be found on E Tims with more to follow.

http://etims.net/?p=10577
Edited by Auldyin, 21 Dec 2016, 01:10 AM.
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tomtheleedstim
20 Dec 2016, 10:27 PM
I've just caught up on the resolution 12 updates via CQN and am dismayed and disgusted by the Celtic board. They've made their position clear.
The continued drifting of this thread downwards tells me that the general Celtic support have also made their feelings clear and are no longer interested in the matter.
We get what we deserve.
i'm sure there are thousands like me who are very interested and keen to see the board act on this.

but what more can we do? therefore it's hardly surprising that the thread is losing visitors.

i hope the pressure is kept on the board one way or another regarding this because
if the board think they've got away with not dealing with this, how are they going to handle the fallout
from the inevitable ruling in favour of hmrc which will make a mockery of the lns decision?

are they going to sweep that under the carpet aswell?
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21 Dec 2016, 02:11 AM
tomtheleedstim
20 Dec 2016, 10:27 PM
I've just caught up on the resolution 12 updates via CQN and am dismayed and disgusted by the Celtic board. They've made their position clear.
The continued drifting of this thread downwards tells me that the general Celtic support have also made their feelings clear and are no longer interested in the matter.
We get what we deserve.
i'm sure there are thousands like me who are very interested and keen to see the board act on this.

but what more can we do? therefore it's hardly surprising that the thread is losing visitors.

i hope the pressure is kept on the board one way or another regarding this because
if the board think they've got away with not dealing with this, how are they going to handle the fallout
from the inevitable ruling in favour of hmrc which will make a mockery of the lns decision?

are they going to sweep that under the carpet aswell?
Indeed. Plenty of interest!
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21 Dec 2016, 02:11 AM
tomtheleedstim
20 Dec 2016, 10:27 PM
I've just caught up on the resolution 12 updates via CQN and am dismayed and disgusted by the Celtic board. They've made their position clear.
The continued drifting of this thread downwards tells me that the general Celtic support have also made their feelings clear and are no longer interested in the matter.
We get what we deserve.
i'm sure there are thousands like me who are very interested and keen to see the board act on this.

but what more can we do? therefore it's hardly surprising that the thread is losing visitors.

i hope the pressure is kept on the board one way or another regarding this because
if the board think they've got away with not dealing with this, how are they going to handle the fallout
from the inevitable ruling in favour of hmrc which will make a mockery of the lns decision?

are they going to sweep that under the carpet aswell?
Indeed. Plenty of interest!
I think protests outside the ground before and after the games like the Sack The Board campaign in the 90s would be appropriate. That would generate lots of publicity and then the ultimate act, not buying season tix in the Summer
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21 Dec 2016, 09:26 AM
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Indeed. Plenty of interest!
I think protests outside the ground before and after the games like the Sack The Board campaign in the 90s would be appropriate. That would generate lots of publicity and then the ultimate act, not buying season tix in the Summer
I can't see any substantial protest, especially while the team is doing well. The club aren't going to do anything about this, so people need to decide what that means for their support of the club.
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I think protests outside the ground before and after the games like the Sack The Board campaign in the 90s would be appropriate. That would generate lots of publicity and then the ultimate act, not buying season tix in the Summer
I can't see any substantial protest, especially while the team is doing well. The club aren't going to do anything about this, so people need to decide what that means for their support of the club.
If the board do nothing they are supporting a corrupt league and cup competitions. Every club should have to follow the rules, if one is excempt their is no point.
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I can't see any substantial protest, especially while the team is doing well. The club aren't going to do anything about this, so people need to decide what that means for their support of the club.
If the board do nothing they are supporting a corrupt league and cup competitions. Every club should have to follow the rules, if one is excempt their is no point.
I agree, but that wasn't my point. The board aren't going to do anything about it. The huns are back, we're playing decent football, and things are looking good on and off the field for Celtic. I don't think there will be the appetite for a substantial protest.
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21 Dec 2016, 10:13 AM
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21 Dec 2016, 09:53 AM
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If the board do nothing they are supporting a corrupt league and cup competitions. Every club should have to follow the rules, if one is excempt their is no point.
I agree, but that wasn't my point. The board aren't going to do anything about it. The huns are back, we're playing decent football, and things are looking good on and off the field for Celtic. I don't think there will be the appetite for a substantial protest.
Maybe when they refuse to revisit the LNS decision or remove titles from RFC after HMRC win the appeal, maybe then the support will sufficiently enraged. Maybe, but I doubt it.
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21 Dec 2016, 09:53 AM

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I agree, but that wasn't my point. The board aren't going to do anything about it. The huns are back, we're playing decent football, and things are looking good on and off the field for Celtic. I don't think there will be the appetite for a substantial protest.
Maybe when they refuse to revisit the LNS decision or remove titles from RFC after HMRC win the appeal, maybe then the support will sufficiently enraged. Maybe, but I doubt it.
Hope so.

LNS shot his load too early and pretty much hinged everything on the fact the case was pretty much done and the huns won etc.

With the final appeal now coming up his summary will be neutralised in one go should they lose....this opens a huge can of worms
for LNS, SFA and the football establishment...

But remember this is more than just Celtic, the original protests was club wide and not specific to Celtic so think any campaign needs
to factor in fans of other clubs otherwise we risk making this an Us V's Them situation....something we done well to avoid in the past
and helped further the debate.
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21 Dec 2016, 10:13 AM
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21 Dec 2016, 09:53 AM
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If the board do nothing they are supporting a corrupt league and cup competitions. Every club should have to follow the rules, if one is excempt their is no point.
I agree, but that wasn't my point. The board aren't going to do anything about it. The huns are back, we're playing decent football, and things are looking good on and off the field for Celtic. I don't think there will be the appetite for a substantial protest.
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21 Dec 2016, 03:09 PM
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I agree, but that wasn't my point. The board aren't going to do anything about it. The huns are back, we're playing decent football, and things are looking good on and off the field for Celtic. I don't think there will be the appetite for a substantial protest.
:suspect:
The board will outwait the Res12 guys, sad to say, but they will
Other clubs fans were on board at the beginning and they have quite obviously lost interest
It'll be like it never happened
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21 Dec 2016, 03:49 PM
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21 Dec 2016, 10:13 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThe huns are back, we're playing decent football, and things are looking good on and off the field for Celtic. I don't think there will be the appetite for a substantial protest.
:suspect:
The board will outwait the Res12 guys, sad to say, but they will
Other clubs fans were on board at the beginning and they have quite obviously lost interest
It'll be like it never happened
That's their hope. A version of the Ra berrs back, the "OF" normalised again, business as usual.

For a lot of fans the appointment of Brendan and the improvement in squad will mitigate.

The system is still bent though, and look like we're complicit and have been since version 1.0 went under.
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21 Dec 2016, 03:49 PM
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21 Dec 2016, 03:09 PM
idyllwild
21 Dec 2016, 10:13 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThe huns are back, we're playing decent football, and things are looking good on and off the field for Celtic. I don't think there will be the appetite for a substantial protest.
:suspect:
The board will outwait the Res12 guys, sad to say, but they will
Other clubs fans were on board at the beginning and they have quite obviously lost interest
It'll be like it never happened
Can something be put right here. The Res12 guys are only representing the interest of a number of shareholders so it will not be them who are being out waited, it will be shareholders who have an adjourned Resolution waiting for a conclusion.

Celtic's stance in 2013 based on what they knew or were told then is that the Res was unecessary. In light of what has been come out as result of Res12 lawyer enquiries and other similar cases is that still the Boards position which they can justify allowing them to vote the Res down?

It's just the machinery of PLC governance designed to protect shareholders at play.

Always was.
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Latest from E Tims. What the SFA should have done but imagine the irony of the Greek FA being more honest than ours.

http://etims.net/?p=10622
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