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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,567 Views)
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Hooped_Crusader
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16 Nov 2016, 08:56 PM
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When it comes to Celtic I'm all about quality. The colour, creed, sex, whatever is totally irrelevant. If it happens to be a bunch of local guys from Glasgow, I'll take it
call me a sexist if you want but i have to draw the line at having women in the squad. Imagine beating Newfilth with a chick in the team...
But I was mainly talking about boardroom level.
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Mubo Loravcik
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16 Nov 2016, 09:05 PM
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call me a sexist if you want but i have to draw the line at having women in the squad.
Imagine beating Newfilth with a chick in the team... But I was mainly talking about boardroom level. So promoting diversity automatically equates downgrading standards in your view?
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Fearghas
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16 Nov 2016, 09:07 PM
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Imagine beating Newfilth with a chick in the team... But I was mainly talking about boardroom level.
So promoting diversity automatically equates downgrading standards in your view?
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Quiet Assasin
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16 Nov 2016, 09:08 PM
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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Nobody has made an Anchorman joke yet.
The world has changed.
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16 Nov 2016, 09:35 PM
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See my edit above.
I remember reading either on here or another forum that there has always been a "gentlemen's agreement" that in the event of property damage, the offending fan' club would quietly pay up, without fuss or publicity. This would explain Lawwell's vagueness on the subject. Edit: I see a later post has pointed out that it is more than a gentlemen's agreement, it is in fact a clear rule of the SPFL. One of the gentleman died mate.
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Loomer3
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16 Nov 2016, 09:51 PM
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I'm new. Be gentle.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38002509
Are times changing? BBC mentioning Res12 from 2013.
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aldo
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16 Nov 2016, 10:07 PM
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And that's the way we like it...
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- 16 Nov 2016, 06:32 PM
Alex Thomson has tweeted Time for an external inquiry into Scottish football governance? The offshore game have updated their original blog. DOING SFA FOR FAIR PLAY: A REPORT INTO THE RANGERS TAX AFFAIR AND THE ROLE OF THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION
Spoiler: click to toggle BLOG MAY 5, 2016[/b] The Offshore Game’s new report into the Rangers tax affair shows just how a badly-run football association can undermine a level playing field – and what needs to be done about it. Here’s the short version… In 2012 Rangers were put into liquidation. One of the contributing factors to this was an offshore tax avoidance scheme that went (comprehensively and predictably) wrong. This new report looks at two questions that confronted Scottish football regulators, connected to the attempt by Rangers to escape from paying taxes on players wages. In both these questions we have found serious evidence of impropriety by the Scottish Football Association (SFA), which brings into question their ability to fairly manage competition in Scotland’s game. The analysis is based on multiple documents which we also republish here: those fully in the public domain such as court records, and a set of documents which had been leaked from Rangers over a period of time. The full report can be downloaded here. http://www.theoffshoregame.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Web-edition-Doing-SFA-for-Fair-Play-Main-report-updated.pdfThe annexes, which contain the documents used as the basis of our analysis, can be found here. ISSUE 1 – THE SPL INQUIRY INTO RULE BREAKING AT RANGERSThe first concerns the judge-led Commission set up by the Scottish Premier League (SPL) into alleged rule breaking by Rangers in the run up to their collapse. The Commission considered whether Rangers should be stripped of a series of league and cup titles. It is clear from the documents that the then President of the SFA, Campbell Ogilvie, misled the public and the judge presiding over the inquiry, which led them to make a material error of fact in their judgement. Specifically, Mr Ogilvie told the public and the inquiry that nothing to do with the payments to players through Employee Benefits Trusts fell within his role at Rangers. However, documentary evidence is clear that in fact Mr Ogilvie was a central figure in the establishment of the Discounted Options Scheme, which was a tax avoidance scheme that was part of the Rangers Employee Benefit Trust. The fact that Mr Ogilvie had previously been one of the longest serving officials in the history of Rangers Football Club clearly raises questions as to the motive behind his statements – since the inquiry’s own findings imply that, in full possession of the facts, they would have to have reached a different decision. Mr Ogilvie and the SFA did not respond to our requests for comment. ISSUE 2 – RANGERS’ LICENCE TO PLAY IN EUROPE 2011/2012The second issue concerns the grant and retention of a licence to play in Europe to Rangers in the 2011/12 season, when the finances of the club suggested it was on the verge of imminent collapse. UEFA rules are clear that in order to get a licence to play European football a club must prove that it has no overdue payables to tax authorities. Our analysis of the evidence shows that Rangers clearly had an overdue payable as defined in the UEFA rules and could not have met that test. However, regardless of this, the SFA did grant Rangers a licence. Although the SFA were informed by Rangers of an on-going issue concerning a large tax bill, they accepted Ranger’s erroneous argument that this did not break any UEFA rules. It appears that the SFA did little to test the explanation regarding the status of the bill given by Rangers, and subsequent correspondence reveals an unhealthy degree of co-ordination between Rangers and the SFA over the PR around the decision. As history unfolded, Rangers were knocked out before reaching the group stages of the Champion’s League. Had they managed to achieve victory in the qualifying rounds, they might well have gained the resources they needed to keep the club afloat and to pay the overdue tax bill based on Champions League income, thwarting the very purpose of UEFA FFP Articles in respect of overdue tax. Again, the fact that the SFA had done nothing to question the obvious issues in Rangers’ financial returns calls into question their effectiveness as a regulator. THE CRUCIAL ROLE OF SPORT REGULATORSIn sports, regulators have a particular responsibility. Although legally football clubs are structured as any other business, football clubs have a far greater significance and meaning to most people than any other business. It therefore must be a priority for football regulators to make sure that football clubs are well managed and financially sound, so that they continue to provide joy and disappointment (in unequal measure) to their fans. Regulators also have a duty to ensure fair play, over and above the usual rules that govern competition between companies. To ensure that competition stays on the pitch and doesn’t retreat behind the closed doors of the boardroom, regulators must make rules to ensure clubs do not gain unfair and unsporting advantages over others. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, in order to execute these functions, a regulator must itself be fair. To preserve the integrity of the system, the regulator must be beyond reproach, and behave in a way which does not produce any suspicion that that they might be exercising their power unfairly, in favour of one team over another. THE SCOTTISH FOOTBALL ASSOCIATON: NOT FIT FOR FAIR PLAYOngoing court cases prevent comment on a number of aspects of Rangers’ liquidation, and the subsequent sale of the assets which allowed a team to play again at Ibrox. It may well be that the current criminal trial concerning some of the former directors of Rangers may bring out more regulatory failings. The two cases that are dealt with in the Offshore Game’s report however, which have nothing to do with the matter under consideration by the criminal court, call into question whether the SFA can be considered a fair and impartial regulator of Scottish football. This is a question that the SFA has, thus far, flatly refused to answer. And that itself points to a much bigger question: is the SFA an organisation capable of fixing itself and adopting the required standards of transparency, accountability and fairness that fans of Scottish football deserve? The evidence presented in this report does not amount to proof of corruption, and we do not allege corruption at the SFA. But the evidence does strongly suggest that the SFA is unable, if not actively unwilling, to ensure fair play. Major changes in personnel and governance structures will be necessary if the SFA is to show itself fit for purpose. The first step to restoring confidence would be for the SFA to engage with UEFA over the clearly misleading returns that Rangers submitted to them, in order to get a licence to play European football in 2011. Secondly there needs to be a fully independent inquiry, including substantial fan representation, to assess the role of the SFA and the actions of key, senior staff in respect of each issue outlined in this report; and with a mandate to learn from more accountable sports authorities in other fields and to recommend sweeping governance changes to the SFA if deemed necessary. Picture Credit StehLiverpool on Flickr http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/ That is possibly the clearest, most direct assessment of the issue I have read; concise without missing a point. Never seen Ogilvie so plainly accused of lying by such a respected, genuinely detached 3rd party with no axe to grind. Keep it up Tommo!
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Wee Ed KTF
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16 Nov 2016, 10:26 PM
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- Loomer3
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Perhaps the SMSM have finally, at long last realised that Res 12 is not going away. The genie is out the bottle and is not going back in.
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Hairytoes
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16 Nov 2016, 10:31 PM
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Members should be made to disclose the societies (secret or otherwise), that they are members of. A long queue of goat worriers await their appointment to office, regardless of what happens with Regards.
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Hooped_Crusader
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16 Nov 2016, 10:49 PM
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- Mubo Loravcik
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Imagine beating Newfilth with a chick in the team... But I was mainly talking about boardroom level.
So promoting diversity automatically equates downgrading standards in your view? No, did I say that?
For me quality > diversity.
If you disagree go get some short people in the NBA.
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Fearghas
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16 Nov 2016, 10:52 PM
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So promoting diversity automatically equates downgrading standards in your view?
No, did I say that? For me quality > diversity. If you disagree go get some short people in the NBA. good point but you should've just have asked him if he would be happy with women in the squad.
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16 Nov 2016, 10:53 PM
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Perhaps the SMSM have finally, at long last realised that Res 12 is not going away. The genie is out the bottle and is not going back in. Perhaps the SMSM have been told to target the SFA now. Reagen will be the fall guy and this will all die with him being sacked There is no way they are reporting this because it's news or its for the good of the game, it's agenda driven It's been ignored for years now, there is no sudden realisation. One man will take the fall and they'll call the matter resolved and that we need to move on for the good of our game
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littlegmbhoy
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16 Nov 2016, 10:57 PM
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Imagine beating Newfilth with a chick in the team... But I was mainly talking about boardroom level.
So promoting diversity automatically equates downgrading standards in your view?
You for real?
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kellybhoy
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16 Nov 2016, 11:05 PM
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I remember reading either on here or another forum that there has always been a "gentlemen's agreement" that in the event of property damage, the offending fan' club would quietly pay up, without fuss or publicity. This would explain Lawwell's vagueness on the subject. Edit: I see a later post has pointed out that it is more than a gentlemen's agreement, it is in fact a clear rule of the SPFL.
One of the gentleman died mate. True.
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16 Nov 2016, 11:50 PM
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I remember reading either on here or another forum that there has always been a "gentlemen's agreement" that in the event of property damage, the offending fan' club would quietly pay up, without fuss or publicity. This would explain Lawwell's vagueness on the subject. Edit: I see a later post has pointed out that it is more than a gentlemen's agreement, it is in fact a clear rule of the SPFL.
One of the gentleman died mate.
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17 Nov 2016, 01:19 AM
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Tell my mother that I never wrote a whack jam.
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As much as Lawwell can be a baw he's way more savvy than anything Sevco have. I highly doubt he, or any of the other clubs' representatives for that matter, are going to stand for another hun as head of the SFA.
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17 Nov 2016, 07:56 AM
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And that's the way we like it...
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As much as Lawwell can be a baw he's way more savvy than anything Sevco have. I highly doubt he, or any of the other clubs' representatives for that matter, are going to stand for another hun as head of the SFA. Agree on the face if it, but the anti-Celtic/hun bias has continued during his tenure in that supposedly dead-powerful position he holds in the SFA. Off the top of my head: the ICT semi final & worsening referreeing, Tonev's ban - unprecedented in it's duration and that no witnesses were required, King 'fit and proper', huns' shady administration/accounting in general and particularly Sevco's dependency on crisis 'loans' from convicted money launderer King's Hong Kong connections, which clearly shows Sevco cannot guarantee it will be able to meet it's fixture commitments....
If Celtic have such influence, why is this crap continuing?
Edited by aldo, 17 Nov 2016, 07:57 AM.
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17 Nov 2016, 09:21 AM
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I remember reading either on here or another forum that there has always been a "gentlemen's agreement" that in the event of property damage, the offending fan' club would quietly pay up, without fuss or publicity. This would explain Lawwell's vagueness on the subject. Edit: I see a later post has pointed out that it is more than a gentlemen's agreement, it is in fact a clear rule of the SPFL.
One of the gentleman died mate. gentleman should be inverted commas
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17 Nov 2016, 09:54 AM
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- aldo
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As much as Lawwell can be a baw he's way more savvy than anything Sevco have. I highly doubt he, or any of the other clubs' representatives for that matter, are going to stand for another hun as head of the SFA.
Agree on the face if it, but the anti-Celtic/hun bias has continued during his tenure in that supposedly dead-powerful position he holds in the SFA. Off the top of my head: the ICT semi final & worsening referreeing, Tonev's ban - unprecedented in it's duration and that no witnesses were required, King 'fit and proper', huns' shady administration/accounting in general and particularly Sevco's dependency on crisis 'loans' from convicted money launderer King's Hong Kong connections, which clearly shows Sevco cannot guarantee it will be able to meet it's fixture commitments.... If Celtic have such influence, why is this crap continuing? Add the election of Andrew Dickson to the SFA Regulatory Advisory Group to your list. In fact, that one might explain a few of the rest of that list.
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18 Nov 2016, 01:29 AM
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an old gentleman has the place in hysterics at the agm. worth a watch, only a few mins.
https://youtu.be/YZi5oL7dnAU
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