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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,578 Views)
connorj
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Celtic Trust announcement on Living Wage

http://www.celtictrust.net/?func=d_home_article&id=533

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Announcement re Living Wage resolution to the AGM

Last year the PLC Board agreed to pay all permanent staff the then current Living Wage rate as a minimum. The Chairman also implied that this minimum rate would be reviewed at the time of the normal annual wage review at Celtic - 1st July. What he did not tell us, but which they actually did, was to remove the annual bonus from all staff who had their wages raised as a result of this development ie the lowest paid employees were removed from the bonus scheme. We recognise that a guaranteed higher wage is preferable to a discretionary bonus but we felt, and said publicly at the time, that it was a mean and petty move by Celtic and amounted to giving with one hand and taking away with the other.

We are now advised by Celtic that the minimum hourly rate paid at Celtic Park is £8.25 - as of 1st July - which is the current Living Wage and will be until the new rate is announced in November.

As it stands, the wage policy at Celtic falls short of the conditions that would allow the Club to be an accredited Living Wage employer in that it does not commit to the uprate; does not guarantee that sub-contracted workers on Celtic's premises are also paid the Living Wage and does not pay the rate to its non-permanent employees ie about 400 workers mainly employed as match day staff and in retail. In addition, if uprates continue to be paid on 1st July then it will be paying less than the Living Wage for around 8 months of every year. Having said that, accredited LW employers are allowed a period of six months to apply the new rate so they are not too far behind those accredited employers who take the full six months.

Mindful of the progress that has been made - small though it is - the Celtic Trust have decided not to bring a Living Wage resolution to the PLC AGM this year. We have not abandoned the campaign and will continue to bring pressure to bear on Celtic via our normal meetings and through, we hope, the new forum when it is implemented, to become fully accredited Living Wage employers.

We thank everyone for all of the support we had for this campaign, those who signed the petition and supported the resolutions at the previous two AGMs. The lowest paid workers have now been paid more than they would have been without this campaign and we are delighted about that. We hope you will continue to support us, and that, unless national political developments overtake it, we will soon be able to say that our Club is an Accredited Living Wage employer. We think Brother Walfrid would have wanted that, don't you?
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That's pretty embarrassing if true - we should be paying more because it's the right thing to do, and not trying to claw back the increase by halting bonus payments. Even if it wasn't the right thing to do, it might make good business sense >>

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Phil got somone to look at Celtics accounts.

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/glasgow-is-green-and-white-and-no-red-flags/
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The calm before the State Aid storm.
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Gothamcelt
19 Oct 2016, 03:52 PM
seen that, was a bit bizarre he did a blog on it as it was nothing we didn't know already. Basically, Celtic can make profit when we qualify for CL group stage. If we don't, we tend to make a small loss unless there has been a significant sale fee for a player.
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lunarhog
19 Oct 2016, 03:54 PM
Gothamcelt
19 Oct 2016, 03:52 PM
seen that, was a bit bizarre he did a blog on it as it was nothing we didn't know already. Basically, Celtic can make profit when we qualify for CL group stage. If we don't, we tend to make a small loss unless there has been a significant sale fee for a player.
If it was mor to highlight the financial chasm between 2 different clubs in Glasgow. A wind up
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Resolution 12 update from ETims...
Includes the FULL letter and reply sent to UEFA from the Res12ers.

http://etims.net/?p=10253
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2 Nov 2016, 12:37 PM
Resolution 12 update from ETims...
Includes the FULL letter and reply sent to UEFA from the Res12ers.

http://etims.net/?p=10253
The baton has been handed over to the Celtic board.
Resolution 12 stands or falls entirely at their willingness to take the issue as far as they can and ensure a better and fairer future for all of Scottish football. They should be totally ashamed of their (lack of) involvement thus far - they can make up for this if they wish to do so.
It's over to you Celtic. Whose side are you on?
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2 Nov 2016, 12:37 PM
Resolution 12 update from ETims...
Includes the FULL letter and reply sent to UEFA from the Res12ers.

http://etims.net/?p=10253
Everybody needs to read this.
Every fan across the country should thank the Res 12 guys for their perseverance.
Reform at the top of the game in Scotland is a must.
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Surprised bump - thought everyone would be onto this one.
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Just voted online by Proxy. It's only a small victory, but having the satisfaction of voting "NO" to Lawwell being re-elected as a Director means I can sleep well at night.
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tomtheleedstim
3 Nov 2016, 05:08 PM
Surprised bump - thought everyone would be onto this one.
I think most people on here really appreciate the work the Res 12 guys have put it. It's phenomenal really, considering they're merely shareholders.

The ball is firmly in the boards court. I will give the board some weeks to go public on this, for the first time since the resolution was put into storage by them at an agm some years ago.

How they respond or not will determine how much of my hard earned I spend on tickets, food, merchandise etc. Or not as he case may be.

This is about having the SFA being held accountable for their decisions and seeing them implement decisions without fear or favour in the future. Do the board really want this or are they happy with the status quo?

Interesting times and the tipping point for me.
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bongo
3 Nov 2016, 07:15 PM
tomtheleedstim
3 Nov 2016, 05:08 PM
Surprised bump - thought everyone would be onto this one.
I think most people on here really appreciate the work the Res 12 guys have put it. It's phenomenal really, considering they're merely shareholders.

The ball is firmly in the boards court. I will give the board some weeks to go public on this, for the first time since the resolution was put into storage by them at an agm some years ago.

How they respond or not will determine how much of my hard earned I spend on tickets, food, merchandise etc. Or not as he case may be.

This is about having the SFA being held accountable for their decisions and seeing them implement decisions without fear or favour in the future. Do the board really want this or are they happy with the status quo?

Interesting times and the tipping point for me.
I don't think you're the only one who feels that way.
However, I think the board are relying on the Brendan Factor to distract people from this issue.
By the looks of this thread, the board might have played this perfectly.
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On the back of the requisitioners' letter, I wrote to JP Taylor demanding the board ask Uefa to investigate the corruption but I did not receive an acknowledgment, far less a reply. We are pissing in the wind, I'm afraid. Shame on all concerned at Celtic.
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The Res12 folk deserve that, at the very least, Celtic take this up and to carry it to its rightful conclusion. Anything less is bordering on criminal.

The cloud that hangs over our club and its refusal to do what's right is just deplorable. And worse, to think that we may be a part of this dirty little secret is disgusting.

We are currently riding the crest of a wave on the park and this would/could be the icing on the cake if we do what's right.

This is a glorious opportunity for Celtic to finally clean up our game.

Go on Celtic, back o' the net!
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The sad reality here is that those who run the club do not view, and never have viewed our former rivals the way we do. They will do nothing about this. In their eyes its not in their interests.
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tomtheleedstim
3 Nov 2016, 08:49 PM
bongo
3 Nov 2016, 07:15 PM
tomtheleedstim
3 Nov 2016, 05:08 PM
Surprised bump - thought everyone would be onto this one.
I think most people on here really appreciate the work the Res 12 guys have put it. It's phenomenal really, considering they're merely shareholders.

The ball is firmly in the boards court. I will give the board some weeks to go public on this, for the first time since the resolution was put into storage by them at an agm some years ago.

How they respond or not will determine how much of my hard earned I spend on tickets, food, merchandise etc. Or not as he case may be.

This is about having the SFA being held accountable for their decisions and seeing them implement decisions without fear or favour in the future. Do the board really want this or are they happy with the status quo?

Interesting times and the tipping point for me.
I don't think you're the only one who feels that way.
However, I think the board are relying on the Brendan Factor to distract people from this issue.
By the looks of this thread, the board might have played this perfectly.
I'm absolutely loving having Brendan as our manager (wanted Moyes last season - wtf do I know!) it's been a great season so far but if the board are relying on the feel good factor to deflect or deny this issue then they're condoning this whole mess. That would be a risky and unforgivable approach to take in my opinion.

Brendan won't be here forever and fans have long memories.

Can the resolution be raised again at the next agm?




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Torquemada
3 Nov 2016, 09:03 PM
On the back of the requisitioners' letter, I wrote to JP Taylor demanding the board ask Uefa to investigate the corruption but I did not receive an acknowledgment, far less a reply. We are pissing in the wind, I'm afraid. Shame on all concerned at Celtic.
Actually no answer does not mean what you think.

Check the link for what was said in 2013 after the AGM when Res12 was adjourned (not abandoned). Although from Video Celts it contains information from BRTH from CQN who was involved in the adjournment discussions.

http://videocelts.com/2013/11/blogs/latest-news/celtic-take-shareholders-licence-concerns-straight-to-sfa/

Our understanding is that Res12 is still on the table and that it should either be passed or voted down. It has been taken as far as the shareholders could and that exercise has been revealing.

Celtic's position at the time was that Res12 was unnecessary. The information provided by UEFA on 8th June 2016 about dates (see E Tims article) suggests that the information given to Celtic in 2011 and later by the SFA, which led Celtic to that "unnecessary" conclusion was less than candid and certainly subsequent utterances in public by Regan have been misleading, not to mention the 7th December 2011 e mail to RFC which explains the basis on which the licence was granted, a basis which is highly questionable.

This is anything but over. JPT is only the public mail box in this case. Any response has to come within the AGM framework. That was the point of using that route to make the accountability point to the SFA. Football just does not want to be accountable to supporters.

Over 100 signatories to Res12 have been given an Account of Activity on their behalf including correspondence with the SFA and UEFA (which E Tims have published 3 letters from ) as well as conclusions arising from the correspondence and an interesting similar case involving a Greek club who used private agreements as well as having an overdue payable

Celtic have a copy and the place to end Res12 one way or another is at the Celtic AGM.
Edited by Auldyin, 4 Nov 2016, 02:08 AM.
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Auldyin
4 Nov 2016, 01:50 AM
Torquemada
3 Nov 2016, 09:03 PM
On the back of the requisitioners' letter, I wrote to JP Taylor demanding the board ask Uefa to investigate the corruption but I did not receive an acknowledgment, far less a reply. We are pissing in the wind, I'm afraid. Shame on all concerned at Celtic.
Actually no answer does not mean what you think.

Check the link for what was said in 2013 after the AGM when Res12 was adjourned (not abandoned). Although from Video Celts it contains information from BRTH from CQN who was involved in the adjournment discussions.

http://videocelts.com/2013/11/blogs/latest-news/celtic-take-shareholders-licence-concerns-straight-to-sfa/

Our understanding is that Res12 is still on the table and that it should either be passed or voted down. It has been taken as far as the shareholders could and that exercise has been revealing.

Celtic's position at the time was that Res12 was unnecessary. The information provided by UEFA on 8th June 2016 about dates (see E Tims article) suggests that the information given to Celtic in 2011 and later by the SFA, which led Celtic to that "unnecessary" conclusion was less than candid and certainly subsequent utterances in public by Regan have been misleading, not to mention the 7th December 2011 e mail to RFC which explains the basis on which the licence was granted, a basis which is highly questionable.

This is anything but over. JPT is only the public mail box in this case. Any response has to come within the AGM framework. That was the point of using that route to make the accountability point to the SFA. Football just does not want to be accountable to supporters.

Over 100 signatories to Res12 have been given an Account of Activity on their behalf including correspondence with the SFA and UEFA (which E Tims have published 3 letters from ) as well as conclusions arising from the correspondence and an interesting similar case involving a Greek club who used private agreements as well as having an overdue payable

Celtic have a copy and the place to end Res12 one way or another is at the Celtic AGM.
What is required to get Resolution 12 onto the AGM agenda this year?
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tomtheleedstim
4 Nov 2016, 06:57 AM
Auldyin
4 Nov 2016, 01:50 AM
Torquemada
3 Nov 2016, 09:03 PM
On the back of the requisitioners' letter, I wrote to JP Taylor demanding the board ask Uefa to investigate the corruption but I did not receive an acknowledgment, far less a reply. We are pissing in the wind, I'm afraid. Shame on all concerned at Celtic.
Actually no answer does not mean what you think.

Check the link for what was said in 2013 after the AGM when Res12 was adjourned (not abandoned). Although from Video Celts it contains information from BRTH from CQN who was involved in the adjournment discussions.

http://videocelts.com/2013/11/blogs/latest-news/celtic-take-shareholders-licence-concerns-straight-to-sfa/

Our understanding is that Res12 is still on the table and that it should either be passed or voted down. It has been taken as far as the shareholders could and that exercise has been revealing.

Celtic's position at the time was that Res12 was unnecessary. The information provided by UEFA on 8th June 2016 about dates (see E Tims article) suggests that the information given to Celtic in 2011 and later by the SFA, which led Celtic to that "unnecessary" conclusion was less than candid and certainly subsequent utterances in public by Regan have been misleading, not to mention the 7th December 2011 e mail to RFC which explains the basis on which the licence was granted, a basis which is highly questionable.

This is anything but over. JPT is only the public mail box in this case. Any response has to come within the AGM framework. That was the point of using that route to make the accountability point to the SFA. Football just does not want to be accountable to supporters.

Over 100 signatories to Res12 have been given an Account of Activity on their behalf including correspondence with the SFA and UEFA (which E Tims have published 3 letters from ) as well as conclusions arising from the correspondence and an interesting similar case involving a Greek club who used private agreements as well as having an overdue payable

Celtic have a copy and the place to end Res12 one way or another is at the Celtic AGM.
What is required to get Resolution 12 onto the AGM agenda this year?
Our understanding is that it has never been off it.

Joint Res12 statements have been made since 2013.

There is no indication there will not be a statement from Celtic in view of the Conclusions provided to them and signatories to Res12 or later Mandate. It is clear Res12 is no longer an issue that can be pursued jointly.

To say nothing would be to go back on that understanding and undermine the AGM process which for all its faults gives shareholders an opportunity to put their case on important issues.
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