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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,580 Views)
oneillsrevolution
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mick82
17 Sep 2016, 09:51 AM
oneillsrevolution
17 Sep 2016, 09:44 AM
LambertandButler
17 Sep 2016, 08:00 AM
Daily Record going with allegations that a 'senior official' at the club covered up the sexual harassment of an employee on their front page this morning.
Obviously have a lot of sympathy for any employee, especially female, being harrassed by a creepy boss. I dont have any specifics related to the case and wont comment.

And I'm not an employment contract lawyer either, but solution looks fairly standard to me. Creepy boss no longer there, employee with a substantial pay-off, both tied into confidentiality agreements. That seems to be the basis that Celtic 'covered it up' but it seems to be standard practice for big organisations, no?

Interesting she left in 2015 but has chosen to go public now.
Confidentiality clauses would be pretty standard in a settlement agreement.

Aye. Doesnt prevent headlines of related to 'sex abuse' and 'cover ups'

"Mum tells of her Celtic grope hell: 'I was betrayed by the club I love"

"....devoted her life to working at Celtic and felt like family, until her Parkhead sex abuse nightmare began".
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oneillsrevolution
17 Sep 2016, 09:44 AM
Creepy boss no longer there, employee with a substantial pay-off, both tied into confidentiality agreements. That seems to be the basis that Celtic 'covered it up' but it seems to be standard practice for big organisations, no?
I think the 'cover up' as it were is more to do with her being told not to speak to the police. The article (albeit heavily editorialised in typical tabloid manner) makes for rather uncomfortable reading.
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Milton
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oneillsrevolution
17 Sep 2016, 09:44 AM
Creepy boss no longer there, employee with a substantial pay-off, both tied into confidentiality agreements. That seems to be the basis that Celtic 'covered it up' but it seems to be standard practice for big organisations, no?
I think the 'cover up' as it were is more to do with her being told not to speak to the police. The article (albeit heavily editorialised in typical tabloid manner) makes for rather uncomfortable reading.
Right. But thats not Celtic covering it up. She didnt go to Police. She should, and still could. Celtic have no influence now.

Aye, no disagreement its a nasty episode.
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Milton
17 Sep 2016, 10:00 AM
oneillsrevolution
17 Sep 2016, 09:44 AM
Creepy boss no longer there, employee with a substantial pay-off, both tied into confidentiality agreements. That seems to be the basis that Celtic 'covered it up' but it seems to be standard practice for big organisations, no?
I think the 'cover up' as it were is more to do with her being told not to speak to the police. The article (albeit heavily editorialised in typical tabloid manner) makes for rather uncomfortable reading.
I can't fathom why someone would go to a newspaper first, over the police, if they have been sexually assaulted.

Anyone who has done this should feel the full force of the judiciary service and be punished.
Edited by RoyAitken, 17 Sep 2016, 10:06 AM.
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let's stay legal on this guys. watch what you post.
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RoyAitken
17 Sep 2016, 10:05 AM
Milton
17 Sep 2016, 10:00 AM
oneillsrevolution
17 Sep 2016, 09:44 AM
Creepy boss no longer there, employee with a substantial pay-off, both tied into confidentiality agreements. That seems to be the basis that Celtic 'covered it up' but it seems to be standard practice for big organisations, no?
I think the 'cover up' as it were is more to do with her being told not to speak to the police. The article (albeit heavily editorialised in typical tabloid manner) makes for rather uncomfortable reading.
I can't fathom why someone would go to a newspaper first, over the police, if they have been sexually assaulted.

Anyone who has done this should feel the full force of the judiciary service and be punished.
The crucial point.
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oneillsrevolution
17 Sep 2016, 10:08 AM
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17 Sep 2016, 10:05 AM
Milton
17 Sep 2016, 10:00 AM

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I can't fathom why someone would go to a newspaper first, over the police, if they have been sexually assaulted.

Anyone who has done this should feel the full force of the judiciary service and be punished.
The crucial point.
The incident is disgusting and should be a police matter, No doubt about it, but I'd guess it's not an uncommon series of events in larger companies.

One thing that pisses me off is the underhand structuring of the article, It's no coincidence that the part accusing a member of the senior management team of telling her not to go to the police is placed next to the guy talking to Neil Lennon. Nowhere in the article is an identity mentioned but the insinuation is there.effing rag of a paper.

Pretty clear this story has been held for use as a suitable distraction too.

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Is it standard practice in these situations for companies not to get the polis involved when these type of allegations are made?
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These feckers are going for Celtic at every opportunity now. Dignified silence is fine but mud sticks

The inference is very clear here-Celtic "knew" and covered it up
Edited by pads99, 17 Sep 2016, 11:41 AM.
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16 Sep 2016, 12:32 PM
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I envy his salary. I would absolutely hate to have his job.
He has one of the easiest CEO/MD jobs going. Especially for the money he trousers.
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pads99
17 Sep 2016, 11:38 AM
These feckers are going for Celtic at every opportunity now. Dignified silence is fine but mud sticks

The inference is very clear here-Celtic "knew" and covered it up
No doubt retaliation for the squirrels last week.
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pads99
17 Sep 2016, 11:38 AM
These feckers are going for Celtic at every opportunity now. Dignified silence is fine but mud sticks

The inference is very clear here-Celtic "knew" and covered it up
It's not an inference. They state that clearly.

And *if* it is true, it's a disgrace. But we don't know what the club's position is yet so.
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Wont post it here for obvious reasons if you read them but Jeanette Findlay has made a few tweets about this.

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17 Sep 2016, 02:06 PM
Wont post it here for obvious reasons if you read them but Jeanette Findlay has made a few tweets about this.

yeah, retweeting loads of stuff from 'celtic emploee'.

if true this need sorted and the guilty party sacked. however, why has it taken so long to come out?
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the Big Sam revelations have got me thinking again about the UEFA club/company letter in response to Rangers (in liquidations) UEFA licence for 2011. Basically their argument is, if any wrongdoing occurred, the penalty would be a 3 year ban from European competition which was irrelevant as the huns liquidated and the new club had to start from the bottom tier. Hardlay a satisfying answer or justice served there. Also to my recollection, there was no discussion on prize-money and European places that other clubs missed out on and how that would / should be handled.

I know this is old ground and may have been covered already but are the Res.12 guys pursuing the compensation angle for other clubs on this one?

Also, the fudged terms of the LNS enquiry - has this been reported by UEFA and/or are there other avenues to explore to get justice for this as well?

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lunarhog
27 Sep 2016, 09:54 AM
the Big Sam revelations have got me thinking again about the UEFA club/company letter in response to Rangers (in liquidations) UEFA licence for 2011. Basically their argument is, if any wrongdoing occurred, the penalty would be a 3 year ban from European competition which was irrelevant as the huns liquidated and the new club had to start from the bottom tier. Hardlay a satisfying answer or justice served there. Also to my recollection, there was no discussion on prize-money and European places that other clubs missed out on and how that would / should be handled.

I know this is old ground and may have been covered already but are the Res.12 guys pursuing the compensation angle for other clubs on this one?

Also, the fudged terms of the LNS enquiry - has this been reported by UEFA and/or are there other avenues to explore to get justice for this as well?

the general hope on here (i think) is that the lns result will
be resurfaced when the appeal of the btc has been thrown out.
Edited by Fearghas, 27 Sep 2016, 10:08 AM.
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Fearghas
27 Sep 2016, 10:07 AM
lunarhog
27 Sep 2016, 09:54 AM
the Big Sam revelations have got me thinking again about the UEFA club/company letter in response to Rangers (in liquidations) UEFA licence for 2011. Basically their argument is, if any wrongdoing occurred, the penalty would be a 3 year ban from European competition which was irrelevant as the huns liquidated and the new club had to start from the bottom tier. Hardlay a satisfying answer or justice served there. Also to my recollection, there was no discussion on prize-money and European places that other clubs missed out on and how that would / should be handled.

I know this is old ground and may have been covered already but are the Res.12 guys pursuing the compensation angle for other clubs on this one?

Also, the fudged terms of the LNS enquiry - has this been reported by UEFA and/or are there other avenues to explore to get justice for this as well?

the general hope on here (i think) is that the lns result will
be resurfaced when the appeal of the btc has been thrown out.
Good man, thanks for the info! Do you know when the date for the Supreme court appeal to start is? I have in mind spring 2017 but could be wrong
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lunarhog
27 Sep 2016, 10:25 AM
Fearghas
27 Sep 2016, 10:07 AM
lunarhog
27 Sep 2016, 09:54 AM
the Big Sam revelations have got me thinking again about the UEFA club/company letter in response to Rangers (in liquidations) UEFA licence for 2011. Basically their argument is, if any wrongdoing occurred, the penalty would be a 3 year ban from European competition which was irrelevant as the huns liquidated and the new club had to start from the bottom tier. Hardlay a satisfying answer or justice served there. Also to my recollection, there was no discussion on prize-money and European places that other clubs missed out on and how that would / should be handled.

I know this is old ground and may have been covered already but are the Res.12 guys pursuing the compensation angle for other clubs on this one?

Also, the fudged terms of the LNS enquiry - has this been reported by UEFA and/or are there other avenues to explore to get justice for this as well?

the general hope on here (i think) is that the lns result will
be resurfaced when the appeal of the btc has been thrown out.
Good man, thanks for the info! Do you know when the date for the Supreme court appeal to start is? I have in mind spring 2017 but could be wrong
not sure tbh.

i know the appeal had to be approved in principal by the courts before
it can be given a court date and i'm not sure if that has been done yet.

hopefully someone else can clear this up.
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Fearghas
27 Sep 2016, 10:32 AM
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27 Sep 2016, 10:25 AM
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Good man, thanks for the info! Do you know when the date for the Supreme court appeal to start is? I have in mind spring 2017 but could be wrong
not sure tbh.

i know the appeal had to be approved in principal by the courts before
it can be given a court date and i'm not sure if that has been done yet.

hopefully someone else can clear this up.
Not legally minded but I think the position at the moments is that BDO asked the Cos for leave to appeal to the Supreme Court.
This permission was granted but as far as I know,BDO have not as yet actually taken this any further.I don't know if there is any time limit for when an appeal may be launched,ie,1-2 years whatever.
Sure some of the KDS legal guys could advise.
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not sure tbh.

i know the appeal had to be approved in principal by the courts before
it can be given a court date and i'm not sure if that has been done yet.

hopefully someone else can clear this up.
Not legally minded but I think the position at the moments is that BDO asked the Cos for leave to appeal to the Supreme Court.
This permission was granted but as far as I know,BDO have not as yet actually taken this any further.I don't know if there is any time limit for when an appeal may be launched,ie,1-2 years whatever.
Sure some of the KDS legal guys could advise.
you would think they would want a swift hearing as, if successful they can pay out to creditors from the ~£20m pot. Or if unsuccessful, then they can close the case?
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