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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,583 Views)
murphio
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LambertandButler
10 Sep 2016, 10:32 AM
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Not all casual employment arrangements are exploitative.


And I never said they were.

I said people should be offered regular hours. If people prefer not to be obligated to regular hours, give them zero hours. It's the lack of an option that is the problem.
So, for talk sake, if Celtic need an extra 50 employees to manage catering for three Champions League nights, you think that any extra help brought in should be offered regular employment regardless of whether their services are needed or not? Seems absurd to me but hey, you are entitled to your opinion. More pressing matters at hand. :thumbsup:
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LambertandButler
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murphio
10 Sep 2016, 11:32 AM
LambertandButler
10 Sep 2016, 10:32 AM
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Not all casual employment arrangements are exploitative.


And I never said they were.

I said people should be offered regular hours. If people prefer not to be obligated to regular hours, give them zero hours. It's the lack of an option that is the problem.
So, for talk sake, if Celtic need an extra 50 employees to manage catering for three Champions League nights, you think that any extra help brought in should be offered regular employment regardless of whether their services are needed or not? Seems absurd to me but hey, you are entitled to your opinion. More pressing matters at hand. :thumbsup:
As I said, short-term regular hours contracts are fine. :thumbsup:
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The zero hours contracts that are being condemned are the ones that tie you to just one employer.
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Tonight showed why we needed two good centre midfielders in during the transfer window
Edited by greenjedi, 14 Sep 2016, 12:09 AM.
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Ess
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Last night showed what happens when you don't invest the money you have in the squad
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fatboab
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Ess
14 Sep 2016, 12:19 PM
Last night showed what happens when you don't invest the money you have in the squad
we do invest the money we have. You want us to invest the money we don't have.
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fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:22 PM
Ess
14 Sep 2016, 12:19 PM
Last night showed what happens when you don't invest the money you have in the squad
we do invest the money we have. You want us to invest the money we don't have.
Forget about the £30m we get at the end of the season, just to invest the money we knew we'd bank from the CL tickets a few weeks later would have be nice.
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I said a few years back that we were in serious risk of becoming a Dinamo Zagreb like club. Win your domestic league, occasionally fluke a CL qualification and get pumped rotten when your there. That might seem OK in terms of 'let's pocket the cash' but the pumpings in the CL reduce the coefficient and make it harder to pocket that cash.

Whilst even with some extra investment in the team, I don't think we're beating Barça in the Camp Nou, I think the odds of a 7-0 thumping are reduced and the odds of getting even third in the group increase, which generates income and coefficient points.

I just hope this is the start of a long term building job and not a one off roll of the dice.
Edited by Quiet Assasin, 14 Sep 2016, 12:28 PM.
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fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:22 PM
Ess
14 Sep 2016, 12:19 PM
Last night showed what happens when you don't invest the money you have in the squad
we do invest the money we have. You want us to invest the money we don't have.
I hoped we would use some of our CL money to strengthen the squad before the group stages
If you mean we don't have the money yet then that's true but we are guaranteed at least £20m this season and there are areas we really needed to strengthen
I'm sure we could have used that income to finance transfers

The CL money is a bonus in terms of accountancy and if we have a squad that makes the groups then they should get the bulk of the money
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greenjedi
14 Sep 2016, 12:26 PM
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14 Sep 2016, 12:22 PM
Ess
14 Sep 2016, 12:19 PM
Last night showed what happens when you don't invest the money you have in the squad
we do invest the money we have. You want us to invest the money we don't have.
Forget about the £30m we get at the end of the season, just to invest the money we knew we'd bank from the CL tickets a few weeks later would have be nice.
how much do you think we invested in Rodgers and his backroom team?
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fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:27 PM
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14 Sep 2016, 12:26 PM
fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:22 PM

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Forget about the £30m we get at the end of the season, just to invest the money we knew we'd bank from the CL tickets a few weeks later would have be nice.
how much do you think we invested in Rodgers and his backroom team?
The increased ST sales cover that.
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Ess
14 Sep 2016, 12:27 PM
fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:22 PM
Ess
14 Sep 2016, 12:19 PM
Last night showed what happens when you don't invest the money you have in the squad
we do invest the money we have. You want us to invest the money we don't have.
I hoped we would use some of our CL money to strengthen the squad before the group stages
If you mean we don't have the money yet then that's true but we are guaranteed at least £20m this season and there are areas we really needed to strengthen
I'm sure we could have used that income to finance transfers

The CL money is a bonus in terms of accountancy and if we have a squad that makes the groups then they should get the bulk of the money
we tried hard to get players in on the final day of the window, and it didn't happen. Rodgers is looking for a long term plan, not a quick fix. We'll spend plenty money over the next two windows. Regardless, we could have spent £50m in summer and still got pumped last night.
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Last night showed we needed to spend £150m in the summer. Utter arseholes, the lot of them; stump up or stump out!
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fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:27 PM
greenjedi
14 Sep 2016, 12:26 PM
fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:22 PM

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Forget about the £30m we get at the end of the season, just to invest the money we knew we'd bank from the CL tickets a few weeks later would have be nice.
how much do you think we invested in Rodgers and his backroom team?
A lot. But all paid for with the increased Season Ticket sales, with change
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fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:30 PM
Ess
14 Sep 2016, 12:27 PM
fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:22 PM

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I hoped we would use some of our CL money to strengthen the squad before the group stages
If you mean we don't have the money yet then that's true but we are guaranteed at least £20m this season and there are areas we really needed to strengthen
I'm sure we could have used that income to finance transfers

The CL money is a bonus in terms of accountancy and if we have a squad that makes the groups then they should get the bulk of the money
we tried hard to get players in on the final day of the window, and it didn't happen. Rodgers is looking for a long term plan, not a quick fix. We'll spend plenty money over the next two windows. Regardless, we could have spent £50m in summer and still got pumped last night.
Indeed we could have spent £50m and got pumped

I accept that we tried to get players in but that is not always a get out clause - we have heard the same thing over a number of windows,
There comes a point when you have to either pay a bit extra to get the players you want or move on to a better/different target.

I don't think this window was much different from any future one, there will always be difficulties in buying players but sooner or later we have to accept the market we are in.
Our net spend was very low this year, pushing the boat out wouldn't have won us the game but it would have at least showed that we had some ambition at this level
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fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:30 PM
Ess
14 Sep 2016, 12:27 PM
fatboab
14 Sep 2016, 12:22 PM

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I hoped we would use some of our CL money to strengthen the squad before the group stages
If you mean we don't have the money yet then that's true but we are guaranteed at least £20m this season and there are areas we really needed to strengthen
I'm sure we could have used that income to finance transfers

The CL money is a bonus in terms of accountancy and if we have a squad that makes the groups then they should get the bulk of the money
we tried hard to get players in on the final day of the window, and it didn't happen. Rodgers is looking for a long term plan, not a quick fix. We'll spend plenty money over the next two windows. Regardless, we could have spent £50m in summer and still got pumped last night.
I hope you're right & we do spend money over the next 2 windows. We didn't do so after our last 2 consecutive visits to the CL we actually had net profits from transfers over that period. That and the last 2 cheap as chips managers have helped put as where we are & added to the size of job facing the current manager. What we spent in the summer was again the absolute minimum & it again leaves us well short on the park.
With what we spent on the goalkeeper we can hardly expect him to make saves as well.
Edited by katlegend, 14 Sep 2016, 12:58 PM.
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People still defending the boards lack of spending? :rubeyes:
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14 Sep 2016, 12:58 PM
People still defending the boards lack of spending? :rubeyes:
Not really checked the books the last couple of years. how much money are celtic currently sitting on?
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I disagreed with not bringing in any more players financed by the CL money.

My worry was that it was the boards doing rather than BR being concerned about either having to integrate too many new players into the squad and or overpaying for someone in desperation and having to live with it for 3 years or so.

If it was BRs decisions then I find it hard to criticise given all he achieved in 16 weeks.

If it was the board then I am miffed.

Given we don't know the internal machinations then it is hard to take a position.

I am 60-40 it was BR. Therefore tending to accept the progress achieved rather than focusing on missed opportunities.
Edited by Adam Smith 11, 14 Sep 2016, 01:42 PM.
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how much of the Headline figure of £25 -30 m for reaching CL do we see? Surely it's taxed? Also CL home games overheads , policing etc . Players bonuses. Say we come out with £15m Probably buys two sinclair type buys over a four year contract. We need to makesure we spend it right. Next year is when we would see the effect of this extra money.
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