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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,982 Views)
The Poacher
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From Legia thread -
Harry68
3 Aug 2014, 08:38 AM
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2 Aug 2014, 12:34 PM
I wonder if those fearing an embarrassment in the CL, preferring a shot at the EL would feel the same way had we not qualified in five or ten years?

Maybe we'll find out, I'm sure you'll all be singing a different song by then though.
What relevance does that have to anything?

We're talking about the here and now, and right now our squad would get humped red rotten by any top European team.

It's not lack of ambition from the supporters that's the problem here, it's a total lack of ambition from the people running our club who now seem content just to qualify for the champions league and rake in the cash.
They might be happy counting the pounds while we sit at the bottom of our group with zero points but I'm sure as hell the vast majority of us supporters won't be best pleased.

Well put. Its a question of how do we improve the situation we are in - for some it's bulleting the manager and begging the old one to come back; its joining the English leagues etc etc.

It would be great if we had a management structure that was more transparent and functional - in other words you, the manager are in charge of and accountable for what you know about and have expertise in. Thats for the board thread and really Im not sure what pressure could be brought to bear on the board to change things anyway. The system we are trying to implement is the best we can hope for but we should be expecting a lot more from it. As others have succinctly put it we've made an arse of playing moneyball.

I said on KDS before that given where our squad was CL football might lead to some real maulings. Our squad will need to bring through more youngsters and actually give time to projects if we are expecting to see any money back as the system suggests we should.
That means giving game time to the Amido Baldes of the squad.

Im not sure what the purpose of a CL bloodbath would be. Im not convinced of the merits of buying Amido Balde either, but we have him and should expect to play him to improve him, otherwise hes kicking his arse at Lennoxtown until hes moved on and we lose more money. Or the Fridjohnsen fella. Atajic was brought in at the right age, or the Twardzic guys for example - he should be getting games now and he, like the rest of the squad around him should ideally be tested competitively away in Europe against teams at our level.

If we qualify for the CL great - away from home we set up ultra defensive and hope to stay in games as much as possible. If we drop down and get to the EL (and given the teams we could face in the qualifiers its a far harder prospect) we could expect a group of away fixtures where we have more of a chance at getting results and being a bit more expansive. Something like that.

Dont see why by holding this view Im accepting mediocrity, I am accepting the reality of the situation. If we want to change things like distribution of monies, holding the adminstrators to account, changing our scouting, we can, we should but its a little harder. What do we do in the meantime?
Edited by The Poacher, 3 Aug 2014, 10:13 AM.
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Twardzik has had plenty of playing time as a left back, which is about as useful as giving Zaluska playing time in right midfield. Twardzik might have a chance playing as an attacking midfielder, in fact i believe he has a good chance in that position. However not only are we wasting his talent playing him out of position , we are very probably destroying his confidence in to the bargain.

Utterly baffling and reminiscent of when Barnes played Stillian Petrov as a right back
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Not sure the board can be blamed for that barcabhoy...

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bongo
3 Aug 2014, 10:56 AM
Not sure the board can be blamed for that barcabhoy...

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I'm struggling to see where he blamed the board.
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barcabhoy
3 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Twardzik has had plenty of playing time as a left back, which is about as useful as giving Zaluska playing time in right midfield. Twardzik might have a chance playing as an attacking midfielder, in fact i believe he has a good chance in that position. However not only are we wasting his talent playing him out of position , we are very probably destroying his confidence in to the bargain.

Utterly baffling and reminiscent of when Barnes played Stillian Petrov as a right back
Or when Lennon played McGeouch at right back :bawman:
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Lobey Dosser
3 Aug 2014, 11:06 AM
bongo
3 Aug 2014, 10:56 AM
Not sure the board can be blamed for that barcabhoy...

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I'm struggling to see where he blamed the board.
Think barcabhoy has posted in the wrong thread.

Edit or I'm not reading every post fully :ffs:
Edited by bongo, 3 Aug 2014, 11:26 AM.
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barcabhoy
3 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Twardzik has had plenty of playing time as a left back, which is about as useful as giving Zaluska playing time in right midfield. Twardzik might have a chance playing as an attacking midfielder, in fact i believe he has a good chance in that position. However not only are we wasting his talent playing him out of position , we are very probably destroying his confidence in to the bargain.

Utterly baffling and reminiscent of when Barnes played Stillian Petrov as a right back
He has said he enjoys playing left back,played there under Lennon and for the national team.
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Good summary of where we are at the moment with the guys in charge.

http://celticfanzone.net/doesnt-celtics-reputation-mean-anything/?

Are We Been Sold Out By Money Men?

Do you ever get the feeling you’re being taken for a ride? When people you trust are just doing things their way without really thinking about the consequences.

Well that’s how me and many Celtic fans feel at this moment in time.

Celtic Football Club look to be heading backwards on the pitch but much to the delight of the board, forward off the pitch.

It’s all very well having investment in Celtic Park and the surrounding areas but when the product on the pitch isn’t up to scratch, then the priorities are all wrong.

We all know that running a club the size of Celtic doesn’t come cheap but the lack of investment in the team has come at a price much more than money can tell. And it’s all down to short term think in my opinion.

Let’s take the Spurs game yesterday for example. Played in Finland in the middle of Champions League qualifiers. Because we got a thumping on Wednesday, Ronnie didn’t have much of an option but to send out the Development squad with a couple of senior players.

The result? 6-1 To Spurs. Regardless of the fact they had over £100m of talent in their side, the reputation of Celtic took a hammering as well as the team. Long term damage being done by short term money making. And I doubt very much if there was much to be made considering the venue.

If Celtic keep taking ‘glamour’ friendlies to boost the coffers, then after a while when we keep fielding understrength sides and take heaving beatings there will be no more ‘glamour’ games to play. Our reputation will be in tatters.

Someone must take responsibility for this shambles but will they? Or are they on too much of a good thing to really bother.

I wonder.
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a few posts back i read someone saying its not a level playing field anymore.............so is there nothing we can do about this ...and for the poster on another thread that says sky isnt having any bearing on the team is way off the mark in my thinking
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There really needs to be some serious movement by the board to deal with the anti-competitive monopolostic situation that the EPL/Sky Situation has turned into. Celtic a former European giant has been reduced to a feeder team for Southampton & the Championship. If Scotland says no in the referendum it will be time to have this issue resolved. Celtic have been stifled... In the Premiership they could easily fill an expanded stadium of say 75,000 they could charge higher rates playing Arsenal, liverpool, ,Manu, Mancity, Chelsea, regularly - they could get fair share of TV revenue. It's time to get this adresses.

The fatalistic acceptance of this situation is depressing to me. It needs resolution.
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The Board have had a pretty easy time of it recently with the end of Rangers FC vindicating their austerity approach.

But they have really got the balance wrong in the past couple of years with a lack of investment in the playing squad.

The cup performances last year and the disappointing CL campaign should have been a clear sign that investment was needed.
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We Deserve Better !
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3 Aug 2014, 02:56 PM
We Deserve Better !
Too far. :arrr:
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MILLIGANS ISLAND
3 Aug 2014, 11:52 AM
barcabhoy
3 Aug 2014, 10:18 AM
Twardzik has had plenty of playing time as a left back, which is about as useful as giving Zaluska playing time in right midfield. Twardzik might have a chance playing as an attacking midfielder, in fact i believe he has a good chance in that position. However not only are we wasting his talent playing him out of position , we are very probably destroying his confidence in to the bargain.

Utterly baffling and reminiscent of when Barnes played Stillian Petrov as a right back
He has said he enjoys playing left back,played there under Lennon and for the national team.
When did he say that?

Most footballers would prefer midfield to full back as they are more involved in the game.

If he is going to succeed I think it will be in midfield.
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maple_celt
3 Aug 2014, 02:16 PM
There really needs to be some serious movement by the board to deal with the anti-competitive monopolostic situation that the EPL/Sky Situation has turned into. Celtic a former European giant has been reduced to a feeder team for Southampton & the Championship. If Scotland says no in the referendum it will be time to have this issue resolved. Celtic have been stifled... In the Premiership they could easily fill an expanded stadium of say 75,000 they could charge higher rates playing Arsenal, liverpool, ,Manu, Mancity, Chelsea, regularly - they could get fair share of TV revenue. It's time to get this adresses.

The fatalistic acceptance of this situation is depressing to me. It needs resolution.
I suppose a start would be unsubscribing to SKY and trying to talk others into doing the same.

I know that would be difficult to football fans who enjoy watching the game in general, not just Celtic, but it would be a form of action, no?
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aye fans will moan at lawell but ask them to unsubscribe from sky and theyd say id miss my epl..im a subscriber to sky and im not goin to do it of my own back but if someone from celtic asked for a boycott itd would be off straight away........id be tough but summat needs done
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maple_celt
3 Aug 2014, 02:16 PM
There really needs to be some serious movement by the board to deal with the anti-competitive monopolostic situation that the EPL/Sky Situation has turned into. Celtic a former European giant has been reduced to a feeder team for Southampton & the Championship. If Scotland says no in the referendum it will be time to have this issue resolved. Celtic have been stifled... In the Premiership they could easily fill an expanded stadium of say 75,000 they could charge higher rates playing Arsenal, liverpool, ,Manu, Mancity, Chelsea, regularly - they could get fair share of TV revenue. It's time to get this adresses.

The fatalistic acceptance of this situation is depressing to me. It needs resolution.
You are right and if nothing changes we will sink even lower.
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If/When Celtic get punted from the CL qualifiers and all hell breaks loose within the support at the Bored. Watch this space. To deflect all deserved criticism and inject some kinda interest in an otherwise deserted CP. The Bored will roll out the red carpet and welcome back with open arms to great public acclaim..The Green Brigade !!! the Rebs will once again be in full swing..we'll have standing quicker than you've ever imagined. The stweards and PS will be told to eff right off and PL will still come out of all this as the good guy. Thats the future right there Lhads. make no mistake if Celtic shampoo in the nest on Wed.night.May as well put on a show in the stands cos there certainly wont be one on that big green thing thats used to play football. :arrr:
Edited by guinness07, 3 Aug 2014, 05:17 PM.
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3 Aug 2014, 05:13 PM
If/When Celtic get punted from the CL qualifiers and all hell breaks loose within the support at the Bored. Watch this space. To deflect all deserved criticism and inject some kinda interest in an otherwise deserted CP. The Bored will roll out the red carpet and welcome back with open arms to great public acclaim..The Green Brigade !!! the Rebs will once again be in full swing..we'll have standing quicker than you've ever imagined. The stweards and PS will be told to eff right off and PL will still come out of all this as the good guy. Thats the future right there Lhads. make no mistake if Celtic shampoo in the nest on Wed.night.May as well put on a show in the stands cos there certainly wont be one on that big green thing thats used to play football. :arrr:
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brogan
3 Aug 2014, 03:58 PM
aye fans will moan at lawell but ask them to unsubscribe from sky and theyd say id miss my epl..im a subscriber to sky and im not goin to do it of my own back but if someone from celtic asked for a boycott itd would be off straight away........id be tough but summat needs done
Sky are not the problem: we have far, far greater financial resources than Shakhter Karagandy, Elfsborg or Legia Warsaw. The problem is misapplication of the considerable resources we have, through buying no-hopers. I mean when was the last time we bought a decent striker? Hooper in 2010?
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