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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,585 Views)
georgiesleftpeg
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1 Sep 2016, 02:37 PM

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We have already received the money for ticket sales for the qualifiers, play-off and group games. Also some hospitality and the TV rights for the two home qualifiers. I'd estimate that at about 10 million after VAT.

If we progress from the group then we will have ticket sales, etc. coming in this season, maybe in January.

The prize and TV money wont have come in yet. I always thought that that money was paid out in one sum after the tournament was over. UEFA site doesn't spell that out though. Does anyone know?
Whatever the payment terms of in comings we have the much vaunted credit facilities that would bridge payment gaps.

Wages are paid monthly and most fees are structured, if we wanted to we could have.

I believe we really wanted to sign a good CM, of course we did no one is seriously saying PL didn't try.

The mistake I believe we made was that we really wanted it but not enough to pay the market rate.
100% :thumbsup: IMO.

Forgetting all about the beez-i-nez strategies, etc, momentum has been unnecessarily lost, by not addressing a glaring weakness in the key area of any team.

As for certain posters banding BR in with the 'it's been a good window, overall' patter, can I just, respectfully, say there aint nae windae furra managers :lol:
Edited by georgiesleftpeg, 1 Sep 2016, 06:40 PM.
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Whatever the payment terms of in comings we have the much vaunted credit facilities that would bridge payment gaps.

Wages are paid monthly and most fees are structured, if we wanted to we could have.

I believe we really wanted to sign a good CM, of course we did no one is seriously saying PL didn't try.

The mistake I believe we made was that we really wanted it but not enough to pay the market rate.
100% :thumbsup: IMO.

Forgetting all about the beez-i-nez strategies, etc, momentum has been unnecessarily lost, by not addressing a glaring weakness in the key area of any team.

As for certain posters banding BR in with the 'it's been a good window, overall' patter, can I just, respectfully, say there aint nae windae furra managers :lol:
And don't forget all our transfers in were done before qualified for the CL bar the new right back. And we sold Johansen which more than financed that deal. Plus Janko on loan. We apparently budget for Europa League football so by qualifying we are about £20 million up on budget. Not a single penny of the £20 million was invested in the team. In fact the opposite. Crickey even Sevco added to their squad in-between us qualifying for the CL and yesterday. No sniggering at the back it's Senderos I know.
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In fact the opposite. Crickey even Sevco added to their squad in-between us qualifying for the CL and yesterday. No sniggering at the back it's Senderos I know.




thought crossed my mind anaw :twitch:
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No one is saying it was shambles. What some of us are saying that we have improved the team but a glaring weakness remains untouched despite us having the resources to address it. That aspect is disappointing. But it is hardly a damning critique of the past 4 months. But if you think otherwise.........

Were you on here last night caller? :lol: Trying to characterise the response last night as some people saying certain "aspects" are "disappointing" is hilarious.

Go and read it. Then come back and tell me I'm talking "nonsense." Shambles (used by 3 or 4 separate posters) is the least of what was being said.
If thats what they are saying, (and I haven't read that - but I can't be bothered going through 100 odd pages) then why don't you direct it at them. :thumbsup:
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No one is saying it was shambles. What some of us are saying that we have improved the team but a glaring weakness remains untouched despite us having the resources to address it. That aspect is disappointing. But it is hardly a damning critique of the past 4 months. But if you think otherwise.........

Were you on here last night caller? :lol: Trying to characterise the response last night as some people saying certain "aspects" are "disappointing" is hilarious.

Go and read it. Then come back and tell me I'm talking "nonsense." Shambles (used by 3 or 4 separate posters) is the least of what was being said.
If thats what they are saying, (and I haven't read that - but I can't be bothered going through 100 odd pages) then why don't you direct it at them. :thumbsup:
:thumbsup:

Think most posters are arguing whether the performance over the last 4 months has been 7, 8 or 9 out of 10.

I would say 7.5 out of 10 because they had a bad last 15 minutes / week.

Some people will understandably not mark them down too drastically and give 8 or 9s.

Anyone using shambles as a description has watched a different game.

It will be this time next year before we know the impact of not going the extra mile with the unplanned for windfall. It is one of those cases where I hope I am wrong and not spending on a CM now is not a major factor in next year's CL qualification.

To be clear that is the main reason for my bafflement, not preparing for next year now is fraught with bigger dangers than overspending.

We would have gotten extra side benefits from this which are not needed in my mind to justify this spend:

1. Increased our already high chance of winning the league.
2. Increased our chances of being in Europe after Christmas ( probably not decisive but a better chance certainly)
3. Gave the fans more excitement on the park.
4. Sent the fans a message that we are football led and that the club trust the fans to support them as long as they show ambition.

Fans have dug deep both financially and emotionally and there was a real sense of togetherness in the club that has been missing for a long time.

It just feels to me that the trust the board has in the supporters was doubted. They seem to be more worried that they might buy someone whose value went down than maintaining the goodwill in the unwritten contract that had formed since BR was appointed. Like players who leave everything on the park but failed to get a result the fans will not turn on a board who give it everything, they will dig deep to support when things don't go to plan.

Lastly, some posters have stated that even if we had signed a decent CM the fans would have just went on to the next gripe categorising this as a "football supporters are never happy". That is so far from my reading of the situation and if the board think that way they are totally underestimating the support, there may have been a gripe or 2 that we needed another striker but that is all it would have been. We would have been arguing whether it was a 9 or a 10 performance.

In summary the board need to learn to trust the support more, put a good team on the park using all the resources at hand and the virtuous cycle will continue even if we stumble sometimes. A bit more managed risk adds to the excitement, an overly conservative approach on the park or in the boardroom is what will turn fans away.

As recent times have shown sometimes the most conservative strategy is actually more dangerous than it looks, risk and reward walk the same path.

Time to move on for now, we are where we are.

Edited by Adam Smith 11, 2 Sep 2016, 06:28 AM.
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If thats what they are saying, (and I haven't read that - but I can't be bothered going through 100 odd pages) then why don't you direct it at them. :thumbsup:
:thumbsup:

Think most posters are arguing whether the performance over the last 4 months has been 7, 8 or 9 out of 10.

I would say 7.5 out of 10 because they had a bad last 15 minutes / week.

Some people will understandably not mark them down too drastically and give 8 or 9s.

Anyone using shambles as a description has watched a different game.

It will be this time next year before we know the impact of not going the extra mile with the unplanned for windfall. It is one of those cases where I hope I am wrong and not spending on a CM now is not a major factor in next year's CL qualification.

To be clear that is the main reason for my bafflement, not preparing for next year now is fraught with bigger dangers than overspending.

We would have gotten extra side benefits from this which are not needed in my mind to justify this spend:

1. Increased our already high chance of winning the league.
2. Increased our chances of being in Europe after Christmas ( probably not decisive but a better chance certainly)
3. Gave the fans more excitement on the park.
4. Sent the fans a message that we are football led and that the club trust the fans to support them as long as they show ambition.

Fans have dug deep both financially and emotionally and there was a real sense of togetherness in the club that has been missing for a long time.

It just feels to me that the trust the board has in the supporters was doubted. They seem to be more worried that they might buy someone whose value went down than maintaining the goodwill in the unwritten contract that had formed since BR was appointed. Like players who leave everything on the park but failed to get a result the fans will not turn on a board who give it everything, they will dig deep to support when things don't go to plan.

Lastly, some posters are have stated that even if we had signed a Decent CM the fans would have just went on to the next gripe categorising this as a "football supporters are never happy". That is so far from my reading of the situation and if the board think that way they are totally underestimating the support, there may have been a gripe or 2 here we needed another striker but that is all it would have been. We would have been arguing whether it was a 9 or a 10 performance.

In summary the board need to learn to trust the support more, put a good team on the park using all the resources at hand and the virtuous cycle will continue even if we stumble sometimes. A bit more managed risk adds to the excitement, an overly conservative approach on the park or in the boardroom is what will turn fans away.

As recent times have shown sometimes the most conservative strategy is actually more dangerous than it looks, risk and reward walk the same path.

Time to move on for now, we are where we are.

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If thats what they are saying, (and I haven't read that - but I can't be bothered going through 100 odd pages) then why don't you direct it at them. :thumbsup:
:thumbsup:

Think most posters are arguing whether the performance over the last 4 months has been 7, 8 or 9 out of 10.

I would say 7.5 out of 10 because they had a bad last 15 minutes / week.

Some people will understandably not mark them down too drastically and give 8 or 9s.

Anyone using shambles as a description has watched a different game.

It will be this time next year before we know the impact of not going the extra mile with the unplanned for windfall. It is one of those cases where I hope I am wrong and not spending on a CM now is not a major factor in next year's CL qualification.

To be clear that is the main reason for my bafflement, not preparing for next year now is fraught with bigger dangers than overspending.

We would have gotten extra side benefits from this which are not needed in my mind to justify this spend:

1. Increased our already high chance of winning the league.
2. Increased our chances of being in Europe after Christmas ( probably not decisive but a better chance certainly)
3. Gave the fans more excitement on the park.
4. Sent the fans a message that we are football led and that the club trust the fans to support them as long as they show ambition.

Fans have dug deep both financially and emotionally and there was a real sense of togetherness in the club that has been missing for a long time.

It just feels to me that the trust the board has in the supporters was doubted. They seem to be more worried that they might buy someone whose value went down than maintaining the goodwill in the unwritten contract that had formed since BR was appointed. Like players who leave everything on the park but failed to get a result the fans will not turn on a board who give it everything, they will dig deep to support when things don't go to plan.

Lastly, some posters have stated that even if we had signed a decent CM the fans would have just went on to the next gripe categorising this as a "football supporters are never happy". That is so far from my reading of the situation and if the board think that way they are totally underestimating the support, there may have been a gripe or 2 that we needed another striker but that is all it would have been. We would have been arguing whether it was a 9 or a 10 performance.

In summary the board need to learn to trust the support more, put a good team on the park using all the resources at hand and the virtuous cycle will continue even if we stumble sometimes. A bit more managed risk adds to the excitement, an overly conservative approach on the park or in the boardroom is what will turn fans away.

As recent times have shown sometimes the most conservative strategy is actually more dangerous than it looks, risk and reward walk the same path.

Time to move on for now, we are where we are.

A balanced summary.
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I think it's worth remembering that we still have the CL money. Not spending now doesn't mean it won't be spent. There's no need to panic.
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I think it's worth remembering that we still have the CL money. Not spending now doesn't mean it won't be spent. There's no need to panic.
It means it will be going out in the form of dividends to the large shareholders
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I think it's worth remembering that we still have the CL money. Not spending now doesn't mean it won't be spent. There's no need to panic.
:lol: Last year the excuse was we didn't qualify for the CL. This year it will be we will strengthen big time in January. Wonder what the excuse will be when we don't! But you are right there is no need to panic. We are in a good place but there is room for improvement.
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2 Sep 2016, 04:47 PM
I think it's worth remembering that we still have the CL money. Not spending now doesn't mean it won't be spent. There's no need to panic.
:lol: Last year the excuse was we didn't qualify for the CL. This year it will be we will strengthen big time in January. Wonder what the excuse will be when we don't! But you are right there is no need to panic. We are in a good place but there is room for improvement.
There is also plenty of time for improvement. :thumbsup:
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Board making a rod for it own back with zero hours contracts

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/14730335.Union_to_tackle_Celtic_over_zero_hours_contracts/?ref=rss

Well if we're more than just a club then its time to pay the living wage and give staff decent contracts and not this nonsense.
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Board making a rod for it own back with zero hours contracts

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/14730335.Union_to_tackle_Celtic_over_zero_hours_contracts/?ref=rss

Well if we're more than just a club then its time to pay the living wage and give staff decent contracts and not this nonsense.
Yes, especially when you see the money Lawwell is on
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wtf - whoever sanctioned zero hours contracts at Celtic should be put on zero hours

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The club using zero hours contracts is embarrassing.
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9 Sep 2016, 11:52 AM
wtf - whoever sanctioned zero hours contracts at Celtic should be put on zero hours

I'm not making a case for Zero Hour Contracts , but I think Celtic use them primarily for additional match day staff in catering and Retail.
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There's no excuse for them. If you need additional staff, then give people contracts with regular hours. Or at least give them the option.
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wtf - whoever sanctioned zero hours contracts at Celtic should be put on zero hours

I'm not making a case for Zero Hour Contracts , but I think Celtic use them primarily for additional match day staff in catering and Retail.
I thought we contracted that out, so that they're not our employees?
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wtf - whoever sanctioned zero hours contracts at Celtic should be put on zero hours

I'm not making a case for Zero Hour Contracts , but I think Celtic use them primarily for additional match day staff in catering and Retail.
I thought we contracted that out, so that they're not our employees?
we contract out the stalls, but the retail and the likes of private boxes and the No 7 restaurant have Match Day staff which the club control.
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Board making a rod for it own back with zero hours contracts

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/14730335.Union_to_tackle_Celtic_over_zero_hours_contracts/?ref=rss

Well if we're more than just a club then its time to pay the living wage and give staff decent contracts and not this nonsense.
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