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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,592 Views)
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A bit of proper investment in football department with the manager and quality signings and we are set to make €20-30m.

Sure as hell beats under investment and buying young players to sell on each summer just to get bye as a business model.

Who knows, with this mad turn in sensible football thinking we might see earnings from this season invested in improving the team next summer for even better crack at Europe...

Its like some post-lawwell dream.
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I am sure I heard that we made €9m for taking part in the ICC thing.
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Estadio nacional
25 Aug 2016, 08:58 AM
A bit of proper investment in football department with the manager and quality signings and we are set to make €20-30m.

Sure as hell beats under investment and buying young players to sell on each summer just to get bye as a business model.

Who knows, with this mad turn in sensible football thinking we might see earnings from this season invested in improving the team next summer for even better crack at Europe...

Its like some post-lawwell dream.
no wonder he had a head on him like a half chewed cabbage after the home Hapoel game. his false strategy is being shown up :lol:
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25 Aug 2016, 09:03 AM
I am sure I heard that we made €9m for taking part in the ICC thing.
You might have heard it but it won't be true.
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Estadio nacional
25 Aug 2016, 08:58 AM
A bit of proper investment in football department with the manager and quality signings and we are set to make €20-30m.

Sure as hell beats under investment and buying young players to sell on each summer just to get bye as a business model.

Who knows, with this mad turn in sensible football thinking we might see earnings from this season invested in improving the team next summer for even better crack at Europe...

Its like some post-lawwell dream.
Imagine if we over-invested :o
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remy mcswain
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25 Aug 2016, 09:03 AM
I am sure I heard that we made €9m for taking part in the ICC thing.
You might have heard it but it won't be true.
This article says that the clubs earned either 3 or 4 million euros per match. That seems a lot but who knows.
http://en.as.com/en/2016/07/25/football/1469477831_579008.html?omnil=resrelart
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ronny_is_not_da_man
25 Aug 2016, 09:03 AM
I am sure I heard that we made €9m for taking part in the ICC thing.
You might have heard it but it won't be true.
This article says that the clubs earned either 3 or 4 million euros per match. That seems a lot but who knows.
http://en.as.com/en/2016/07/25/football/1469477831_579008.html?omnil=resrelart
All clubs are equal but some are more equal than others.
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spuddy
25 Aug 2016, 09:13 AM
remy mcswain
25 Aug 2016, 09:08 AM
ronny_is_not_da_man
25 Aug 2016, 09:03 AM
I am sure I heard that we made €9m for taking part in the ICC thing.
You might have heard it but it won't be true.
This article says that the clubs earned either 3 or 4 million euros per match. That seems a lot but who knows.
http://en.as.com/en/2016/07/25/football/1469477831_579008.html?omnil=resrelart
From the article it is clear that there is a grading system in place.

Not sure whether we would be a further step down from the second tier mentioned.

When Brendan Rodgers had a side swipe at it in relation to "rather play Partick than Inter" that made me doubt the numbers even more as he seems a pragmatic guy when it comes to the inter dependability of the business and football sides of clubs.

I woukd love to be wrong but I have never seen anything that says specifically what Celtic get.
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25 Aug 2016, 09:24 AM
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25 Aug 2016, 09:13 AM
remy mcswain
25 Aug 2016, 09:08 AM

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This article says that the clubs earned either 3 or 4 million euros per match. That seems a lot but who knows.
http://en.as.com/en/2016/07/25/football/1469477831_579008.html?omnil=resrelart
From the article it is clear that there is a grading system in place.

Not sure whether we would be a further step down from the second tier mentioned.

When Brendan Rodgers had a side swipe at it in relation to "rather play Partick than Inter" that made me doubt the numbers even more as he seems a pragmatic guy when it comes to the inter dependability of the business and football sides of clubs.

I woukd love to be wrong but I have never seen anything that says specifically what Celtic get.
Aye. I don't know the details, obviously, but my instinct is that we would play for much less than €3m per match. Feck the impact on the rest of the season, take £1m where it's offered. Absolutely in line with our thinking the last decade.

Hopefully we've seen the last of it.
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25 Aug 2016, 09:24 AM
spuddy
25 Aug 2016, 09:13 AM
remy mcswain
25 Aug 2016, 09:08 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
This article says that the clubs earned either 3 or 4 million euros per match. That seems a lot but who knows.
http://en.as.com/en/2016/07/25/football/1469477831_579008.html?omnil=resrelart
From the article it is clear that there is a grading system in place.

Not sure whether we would be a further step down from the second tier mentioned.

When Brendan Rodgers had a side swipe at it in relation to "rather play Partick than Inter" that made me doubt the numbers even more as he seems a pragmatic guy when it comes to the inter dependability of the business and football sides of clubs.

I woukd love to be wrong but I have never seen anything that says specifically what Celtic get.
I was told by a guy in the marketing business in Dublin that Celtic earned €2m per game, which sounds about right. It's possibly where the £5m for three games figure came from.

Beats a poke in the eye with a burnt stick, as my granny used to remark. :)
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25 Aug 2016, 09:24 AM
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25 Aug 2016, 09:13 AM
remy mcswain
25 Aug 2016, 09:08 AM

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This article says that the clubs earned either 3 or 4 million euros per match. That seems a lot but who knows.
http://en.as.com/en/2016/07/25/football/1469477831_579008.html?omnil=resrelart
From the article it is clear that there is a grading system in place.

Not sure whether we would be a further step down from the second tier mentioned.

When Brendan Rodgers had a side swipe at it in relation to "rather play Partick than Inter" that made me doubt the numbers even more as he seems a pragmatic guy when it comes to the inter dependability of the business and football sides of clubs.

I woukd love to be wrong but I have never seen anything that says specifically what Celtic get.
We probably made something like 1.5-2 million euros per match. I'm sure someone quoted those numbers previously.
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25 Aug 2016, 09:33 AM
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25 Aug 2016, 09:24 AM
spuddy
25 Aug 2016, 09:13 AM
From the article it is clear that there is a grading system in place.

Not sure whether we would be a further step down from the second tier mentioned.

When Brendan Rodgers had a side swipe at it in relation to "rather play Partick than Inter" that made me doubt the numbers even more as he seems a pragmatic guy when it comes to the inter dependability of the business and football sides of clubs.

I woukd love to be wrong but I have never seen anything that says specifically what Celtic get.
Aye. I don't know the details, obviously, but my instinct is that we would play for much less than €3m per match. Feck the impact on the rest of the season, take £1m where it's offered. Absolutely in line with our thinking the last decade.

Hopefully we've seen the last of it.
I get the impression from some of Rodgers presser's that things like this won't happen under him if he has his way. I get Lawwell will push it but this is one I would be confident the manager getting his way.

Sure he has had a few digs and he also said he would rather have played the game we rescheduled so can't see this happening under him.
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25 Aug 2016, 10:18 AM
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25 Aug 2016, 09:33 AM
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25 Aug 2016, 09:24 AM
Aye. I don't know the details, obviously, but my instinct is that we would play for much less than €3m per match. Feck the impact on the rest of the season, take £1m where it's offered. Absolutely in line with our thinking the last decade.

Hopefully we've seen the last of it.
I get the impression from some of Rodgers presser's that things like this won't happen under him if he has his way. I get Lawwell will push it but this is one I would be confident the manager getting his way.

Sure he has had a few digs and he also said he would rather have played the game we rescheduled so can't see this happening under him.
We've only got limited pull for friendly's, so missing out that one game would mean missing out on the other 2 (Barca & Leicester) and 6m less for the transfer kitty.

I really don't see what the big deal is, as don't see how missing out a game against Thistle caused any big deal (We beat Hapoel 5-2 in the next game, so where was the problem).

Did BR mean in an ideal world that he would rather play a real game than a friendly, but we live in SPFHell so don't have the luxury to forgo 6m
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If we've earned anything like 2m euros per game for each of these three friendlies and only one of the matches clashed with a league fixture then I've really got to wonder what the issues are with the whole thing?

This would represent about four times what we would earn for winning a 38 game league season. All to play three friendlies where the longest journey was a 70 minute flight to Shannon. The impact is one rescheduled home fixture v Thistle.

The whole point of the ICC is that they are trying to make it a tournament. Irrelevant to you and me, but necessitates that there is more than one game, and that there's silverware handed out at the end of it.

None of it has led to us having to travel to the US, China or Australia between major CL qualifiers. We even managed to host one of the matches at home.

If we've trousered up to five million bangers from that then I can get on board with having to play Thistle on a Wednesday night.
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25 Aug 2016, 09:17 AM
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25 Aug 2016, 09:13 AM
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This article says that the clubs earned either 3 or 4 million euros per match. That seems a lot but who knows.
http://en.as.com/en/2016/07/25/football/1469477831_579008.html?omnil=resrelart
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We were ok for one leg, but in two legs we were bad.
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25 Aug 2016, 09:06 AM
If we've earned anything like 2m euros per game for each of these three friendlies and only one of the matches clashed with a league fixture then I've really got to wonder what the issues are with the whole thing?

This would represent about four times what we would earn for winning a 38 game league season. All to play three friendlies where the longest journey was a 70 minute flight to Shannon. The impact is one rescheduled home fixture v Thistle.

The whole point of the ICC is that they are trying to make it a tournament. Irrelevant to you and me, but necessitates that there is more than one game, and that there's silverware handed out at the end of it.

None of it has led to us having to travel to the US, China or Australia between major CL qualifiers. We even managed to host one of the matches at home.

If we've trousered up to five million bangers from that then I can get on board with having to play Thistle on a Wednesday night.
It depends on how much we got. No one knows as fas I'm aware, it could be £500k per game for all we know or it could be £2m.

It also depends on how travelling to Ireland interfered with preparation for the CL qualifiers and starting the SPL on a high.

Rodgers knows the answer to these two questions and we don't, he didn't sound overly enamoured however that may just be an operational gripe that he knows that it is best to live with for the money involved that gives him more resources. It is all about finding the balance to be as successful a football club as possible under our circumstances.

What we do know was that we had swung too much towards earning cash through "lucrative" friendlies (flying to Japan etc) at the expense of our core competitive matches.

Edited by Adam Smith 11, 25 Aug 2016, 10:27 AM.
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I feel as though I'm in a weird episode of Dr Who coming into this thread. :blink:
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If Stefan has gone I make that 9 first team players gone from the first team squad:

Scepovic, Boerrigter, Cole, Kazim, Mulgrew, Fisher, SJ, Stokes, Allan ( loan )

With 6 coming in:

Ajer, Dembele, Toure, Sinclair, de Vries, Henderson ( back from loan )

From a transfer fee point of view we will be roughly break even.

From a salary point of view I would imagine.we will be no worse than break even, the cost of the new management team though may have added £2m to the cost relative to previous team.

Effectively by rearranging the budget we are in a far better position.

With a few more outward bounds possible, I would hope that we can afford to add £8m or so to the wage bill and - as long as any transfer fees are for players in their early to mid 20s - invest around £5-10m in transfers. With the new TV money in the EPL underpinning transfer values for the next 4-5 years the only risk is in Brendan buying badly, his record indicates that he more than likely won't.

This would possibly mean using credit facilities more but as we have guaranteed payments coming there is almost zero risk. If we don't use these facilities if required then it is pretty pointless having the facilities as there is not a better time to use them unless they are only for emergencies.

This window and next will determine whether or not we qualify next season for another £35m haul (inc qualifiers) next year and up our negotiation position for the ICC and all sponsorship deals.

We got lucky this year due to bad forward planning, the question is will we overload the risk / reward path with conservative thinking again in a growing market.

Never has there been a better time to invest.
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We got lucky this year due to bad forward planning, the question is will we overload the risk / reward path with conservative thinking again in a growing market.

Never has there been a better time to invest.


Unfortunately when dealing with Pedro & our esteemed board they have already shown they will not take these chances.

We qualified two years running for the group stages under Lennon & at the same time we made a fortune in player sales - take a very close look at what was "invested" into the first team. They squandered the majority of our "investment" on a succession of woeful duds like Balde, Pukki & Boerrigter. We had two years of group money plus significant incomes from player sales and this is the money-ball crap they fob us off with!!

Then we have Pedro popping up all over the MSM telling anyone who will listen that the loss of the rancid huns is costing us £10 million a year after earlier claiming we had a stand alone business model.

We have invested very little again so far this window & Pedro is once again telling us he "hopes" to get one more (one FFS) in before the window closes when everyone & his dog can see we need a minimum of 2 but probably 3 in real terms.

I accept the appointment of BR & his background team would have been expensive - we also had to pay up & pay off RD & his mob but the increase in season ticket sales should have reduced that impact.

We need to invest in the team now, more than ever, as we have a manager who might actually have a clue. if Pedro continues with his old approach - the Sinclair deal aside has it really changed? - the the prospect of BR moving on at the end of his rolling 1 year deal to somewhere more "ambitious" will become a real possibility. I have no doubt he loves it here much like MON and will be keen to make his mark but he will expect support - especially if he has done his bit by qualifying.

Pedro's statement yesterday was as predictable as it was infuriating - watch the games FFS - we need help now.

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