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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Bundy1967
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24 Jul 2016, 11:21 AM
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Should have put a 😜 or a lol in that post, tongue in cheek it was
lols usually come after something that's funny Fearghas, are you just an angry man, it was obvious my post was sarcasm, Drew's too, yet you had a pop at both of us, maybe just no sense of humour
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24 Jul 2016, 12:13 PM
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lols usually come after something that's funny
Fearghas, are you just an angry man, it was obvious my post was sarcasm, Drew's too, yet you had a pop at both of us, maybe just no sense of humour He's a nippy sweetie is our Fearghas, good guy though just likes an argument
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Bundy1967
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24 Jul 2016, 01:01 PM
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Its not a problem, i was just a bit tired and narky when I read his comment
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24 Jul 2016, 07:55 PM
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24 Jul 2016, 08:00 PM
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something funny?
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Bundy1967
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26 Jul 2016, 05:22 PM
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I'm beginning to wonder if this club wants C.L. football, or just throws it in as a season ticket seller to the fans, they bring in a good manager and then tie his hands behind his back, these qualifiers are our biggest games of the season!
Jeez I can't help but get angry every time I think of PL and the way he conducts transfer business
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26 Jul 2016, 06:28 PM
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Lawwell showing Dermot who the real boss is...that will teach him to appoint his own choice of manager and not let Pedro decide, another couple of Imps type results and he'll be gone, leaving the way clear for Pedro to tell Dermot 'I told you so' and get big Yogi in on £5k a week, and a budget of £3m
I was thinking on the same lines. And wondering how Rodgers will react to the prospect of ruining not just his tenure as Celtic manager, but his whole career. Rodgers is here to restore his credibility, and ultimately get his name on the lists of candidates for EPL jobs. As everyone knows, the fact that he came to CP means that there must have been assurances for, Desmond re. player recruitment. I wonder if Lawwell can undermine Desmond like this & get away with it, bonus and all. It's all gone a bit "Game of Thrones"--and I know whose head I want to see on a spike.
It's really not mate, most of the stuff posted on here is made up bullshampoo. We've got people stating that lawwell is trying to eff Rodgers over as apparently he "didn't want him" We've then got others telling us the intricate dealings of the boardroom, when the reality is they have absolutely no clue about any sort of management or corporate governance. I'm as pissed off as the next person with the way things are, but don't see a point in fabricating cloak and dagger stories whilst wearing a tin foil hat. I don't like lawwell and personally think he's a dick, but some of the stuff posted on here is ridiculous. He's made out to be an anti Celtic, hun loving, megalomaniac. Actively trying to find shampooe players to foist upon the manager and destroy our club from within. Absolutely mental. None of that stuff applies to anything I said. Three basic facts: Rodgers was brought in by DD; the stakes are very high for Rodgers; Lawwell's has repeatedly failed us in the transfer market.
I CGAF what any of these three think of each other--I'm only interested in the best outcome for Celtic. Lawwell failed to sign players that Rodgers wanted for these CL qualifiers. That damages our chances of qualifying, and puts undue pressure on the manager. There's no need for anyone to comment/speculate on Lawwell as an individual--all that matters is his performance as Celtic's CEO; and that hasn't been very good at all.
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26 Jul 2016, 07:26 PM
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I'm new. Be gentle.
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It's really not mate, most of the stuff posted on here is made up bullshampoo. We've got people stating that lawwell is trying to eff Rodgers over as apparently he "didn't want him" We've then got others telling us the intricate dealings of the boardroom, when the reality is they have absolutely no clue about any sort of management or corporate governance. I'm as pissed off as the next person with the way things are, but don't see a point in fabricating cloak and dagger stories whilst wearing a tin foil hat. I don't like lawwell and personally think he's a dick, but some of the stuff posted on here is ridiculous. He's made out to be an anti Celtic, hun loving, megalomaniac. Actively trying to find shampooe players to foist upon the manager and destroy our club from within. Absolutely mental.
None of that stuff applies to anything I said. Three basic facts: Rodgers was brought in by DD; the stakes are very high for Rodgers; Lawwell's has repeatedly failed us in the transfer market. I CGAF what any of these three think of each other--I'm only interested in the best outcome for Celtic. Lawwell failed to sign players that Rodgers wanted for these CL qualifiers. That damages our chances of qualifying, and puts undue pressure on the manager. There's no need for anyone to comment/speculate on Lawwell as an individual--all that matters is his performance as Celtic's CEO; and that hasn't been very good at all. Can you precisely describe some practical instances of 'failed to sign players', please? Did, for example, Zlatan agree to sign for Celtic if Lawwell met him at Stockholm Central at 13:00 on Monday, only for Lawwell to turn up at Oslo Fjord Street at 14:00 on Tuesday? Did Higuain offer to play for thirty bob a week if he could wear the number 101 jersey but Lawwell refuse to stand the cost of a three-digit print setting? Come on, don't be shy - we want the skinny. Otherwise we might think it's just a continuing huff because we lost a game to a club that calls itself 'Rangers' after we had declared, right here on Kerrydale Street, that that could never, EVER happen again.
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26 Jul 2016, 07:32 PM
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None of that stuff applies to anything I said. Three basic facts: Rodgers was brought in by DD; the stakes are very high for Rodgers; Lawwell's has repeatedly failed us in the transfer market. I CGAF what any of these three think of each other--I'm only interested in the best outcome for Celtic. Lawwell failed to sign players that Rodgers wanted for these CL qualifiers. That damages our chances of qualifying, and puts undue pressure on the manager. There's no need for anyone to comment/speculate on Lawwell as an individual--all that matters is his performance as Celtic's CEO; and that hasn't been very good at all.
Can you precisely describe some practical instances of 'failed to sign players', please? Did, for example, Zlatan agree to sign for Celtic if Lawwell met him at Stockholm Central at 13:00 on Monday, only for Lawwell to turn up at Oslo Fjord Street at 14:00 on Tuesday? Did Higuain offer to play for thirty bob a week if he could wear the number 101 jersey but Lawwell refuse to stand the cost of a three-digit print setting? Come on, don't be shy - we want the skinny. Otherwise we might think it's just a continuing huff because we lost a game to a club that calls itself 'Rangers' after we had declared, right here on Kerrydale Street, that that could never, EVER happen again. Well our assistant manager went on record and said we were trying to get players in.
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26 Jul 2016, 09:24 PM
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You want equality? Consider if that person feels Equal.
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None of that stuff applies to anything I said. Three basic facts: Rodgers was brought in by DD; the stakes are very high for Rodgers; Lawwell's has repeatedly failed us in the transfer market. I CGAF what any of these three think of each other--I'm only interested in the best outcome for Celtic. Lawwell failed to sign players that Rodgers wanted for these CL qualifiers. That damages our chances of qualifying, and puts undue pressure on the manager. There's no need for anyone to comment/speculate on Lawwell as an individual--all that matters is his performance as Celtic's CEO; and that hasn't been very good at all.
Can you precisely describe some practical instances of 'failed to sign players', please? Did, for example, Zlatan agree to sign for Celtic if Lawwell met him at Stockholm Central at 13:00 on Monday, only for Lawwell to turn up at Oslo Fjord Street at 14:00 on Tuesday? Did Higuain offer to play for thirty bob a week if he could wear the number 101 jersey but Lawwell refuse to stand the cost of a three-digit print setting? Come on, don't be shy - we want the skinny. Otherwise we might think it's just a continuing huff because we lost a game to a club that calls itself 'Rangers' after we had declared, right here on Kerrydale Street, that that could never, EVER happen again. Thre was a split in opinion about how that game would go. From memory and maybe Im mistaken it was maybe about 75% we would win. I had my doubts and was not certain, at all.,
It was never 100% on here, it never is on KDS.
No game ever can be 100% certain of the result.
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26 Jul 2016, 09:30 PM
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27 Jul 2016, 09:37 AM
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None of that stuff applies to anything I said. Three basic facts: Rodgers was brought in by DD; the stakes are very high for Rodgers; Lawwell's has repeatedly failed us in the transfer market. I CGAF what any of these three think of each other--I'm only interested in the best outcome for Celtic. Lawwell failed to sign players that Rodgers wanted for these CL qualifiers. That damages our chances of qualifying, and puts undue pressure on the manager. There's no need for anyone to comment/speculate on Lawwell as an individual--all that matters is his performance as Celtic's CEO; and that hasn't been very good at all.
Can you precisely describe some practical instances of 'failed to sign players', please? Did, for example, Zlatan agree to sign for Celtic if Lawwell met him at Stockholm Central at 13:00 on Monday, only for Lawwell to turn up at Oslo Fjord Street at 14:00 on Tuesday? Did Higuain offer to play for thirty bob a week if he could wear the number 101 jersey but Lawwell refuse to stand the cost of a three-digit print setting? Come on, don't be shy - we want the skinny. Otherwise we might think it's just a continuing huff because we lost a game to a club that calls itself 'Rangers' after we had declared, right here on Kerrydale Street, that that could never, EVER happen again. The last 3 summer transfer windows when we have failed to do the necessary strengthening, to be in good shape to negotiate the most important matches of our season. We squeezed through by the narrowest of margins against Karagandy but were then sent packing by very mediocre teams in the next two seasons. We go into tonight's game hoping that Astana are very poor, otherwise we will have a mountain to climb in the return leg. You really wouldn't fancy being up against decent opposition with the team we will field tonight. Also the Fletcher/Flood transfer window which cost us many millions at the end of the day.
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27 Jul 2016, 09:47 AM
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None of that stuff applies to anything I said. Three basic facts: Rodgers was brought in by DD; the stakes are very high for Rodgers; Lawwell's has repeatedly failed us in the transfer market. I CGAF what any of these three think of each other--I'm only interested in the best outcome for Celtic. Lawwell failed to sign players that Rodgers wanted for these CL qualifiers. That damages our chances of qualifying, and puts undue pressure on the manager. There's no need for anyone to comment/speculate on Lawwell as an individual--all that matters is his performance as Celtic's CEO; and that hasn't been very good at all.
Can you precisely describe some practical instances of 'failed to sign players', please? Did, for example, Zlatan agree to sign for Celtic if Lawwell met him at Stockholm Central at 13:00 on Monday, only for Lawwell to turn up at Oslo Fjord Street at 14:00 on Tuesday? Did Higuain offer to play for thirty bob a week if he could wear the number 101 jersey but Lawwell refuse to stand the cost of a three-digit print setting? Come on, don't be shy - we want the skinny. Otherwise we might think it's just a continuing huff because we lost a game to a club that calls itself 'Rangers' after we had declared, right here on Kerrydale Street, that that could never, EVER happen again. Zlatan? Higuain?! A very impressive pair of straw men, I must say. But hold on: you think I'm in huff over a one bad result in a barely-remembered cup semi-final against the Hüns 2.0? I think sir must be having a laugh.
But presuming that you are being semi-serious about this stuff... There is absolutely no need for anyone to build a case against our would-be DoF, and all the money he has squandered on players over the last few years; and his decision to hire a cheap, malleable manager who was only qualified to be an assistant. No need to explain the CL exile we have endured as a result of this incompetence, or all money/prestige/co-efficient points we have missed out on; and everybody knows about the state of the squad we've taken into today's vital CL qualifier. (By the way, no-one needs--or has ever had--"precise details" about Celtic's dealings in the transfer market. [Nice try, though!] We can just judge by the results--or the lack thereof.)
Listen, I'm sorry if you have some personal connection to Lawwell--I'm sure he's a decent guy and all that. But with the money this guy is getting paid, he has been ripping the David Nish out of this club for too long. It's depressing to think about just how low Dermot Desmond must have set Lawwell's "Key Performance Indicators" if he can keep collecting his legendary bonuses while presiding over years of obvious decline.
At this point, Lawwell's failings are a matter of public record. So the onus would be on yourself to tell us "precisely" why he should still be at CP.
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27 Jul 2016, 10:25 AM
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Lawwell's time is up.
We need a fresh approach now.
Toure & Sinclair should have both been signed in time to play tonight.
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27 Jul 2016, 10:29 AM
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Can you precisely describe some practical instances of 'failed to sign players', please? Did, for example, Zlatan agree to sign for Celtic if Lawwell met him at Stockholm Central at 13:00 on Monday, only for Lawwell to turn up at Oslo Fjord Street at 14:00 on Tuesday? Did Higuain offer to play for thirty bob a week if he could wear the number 101 jersey but Lawwell refuse to stand the cost of a three-digit print setting? Come on, don't be shy - we want the skinny. Otherwise we might think it's just a continuing huff because we lost a game to a club that calls itself 'Rangers' after we had declared, right here on Kerrydale Street, that that could never, EVER happen again.
Zlatan? Higuain?! A very impressive pair of straw men, I must say. But hold on: you think I'm in huff over a one bad result in a barely-remembered cup semi-final against the Hüns 2.0? I think sir must be having a laugh. But presuming that you are being semi-serious about this stuff... There is absolutely no need for anyone to build a case against our would-be DoF, and all the money he has squandered on players over the last few years; and his decision to hire a cheap, malleable manager who was only qualified to be an assistant. No need to explain the CL exile we have endured as a result of this incompetence, and all money/prestige/co-efficient points we have missed out on as a result; and everybody knows about the state of the squad we've taken into today's vital CL qualifier. (By the way, no-one needs--or has ever had--"precise details" about Celtic's dealings in the transfer market. [ Nice try, though!] We can just judge by the results--or the lack thereof.) Listen, I'm sorry if you have some personal connection to Lawwell--I'm sure he's a decent guy and all that. But with the money this guy is getting paid, he has been ripping the David Nish out of this club for too long. It's depressing to think about just how low Dermot Desmond must have set Lawwell's "Key Performance Indicators" if he can keep collecting his legendary bonuses while presiding over years of obvious decline. At this point, Lawwell's failings are a matter of public record. So the onus would be on yourself to tell us "precisely" why he should still be at CP. Hard to disagree with this, Lawwell has had a free ride for years.
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27 Jul 2016, 11:36 AM
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Lawwell's time is up.
We need a fresh approach now.
Toure & Sinclair should have both been signed in time to play tonight. Not going to defend Lawwell but I'm not sure what people expect a new approach would be.
The CEO shouldn't be involved as much in player selection as ours seemed to be but that has hopefully changed, if not then that is because of the board not the CEO so a change of CEO achieves nothing.
We may save some money on his salary / bonus. That is not going to change anything strategically maybe pay for one extra squad player or reduce season tickets by £10 each.
Football is quite a straightforward business because it is so heavily regulated. There is no CEO out there who is going to change anything radical.
If it is all about getting rid of Lawwell fair enough but people shouldn't think that a new CEO will usher in a new era.
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27 Jul 2016, 11:40 AM
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Lawwell's time is up.
We need a fresh approach now.
Toure & Sinclair should have both been signed in time to play tonight.
Not going to defend Lawwell but I'm not sure what people expect a new approach would be. The CEO shouldn't be involved as much in player selection as ours seemed to be but that has hopefully changed, if not then that is because of the board not the CEO so a change of CEO achieves nothing. We may save some money on his salary / bonus. That is not going to change anything strategically maybe pay for one extra squad player or reduce season tickets by £10 each. Football is quite a straightforward business because it is so heavily regulated. There is no CEO out there who is going to change anything radical. If it is all about getting rid of Lawwell fair enough but people shouldn't think that a new CEO will usher in a new era. I have no real idea what goes on in board meetings but I have serious doubts that it is the board providing the strategic vision for the club. We need a new CEO with new ideas and ambition (and I know DD will have the final say).
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27 Jul 2016, 11:47 AM
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Lawwell's time is up.
We need a fresh approach now.
Toure & Sinclair should have both been signed in time to play tonight.
Not going to defend Lawwell but I'm not sure what people expect a new approach would be. The CEO shouldn't be involved as much in player selection as ours seemed to be but that has hopefully changed, if not then that is because of the board not the CEO so a change of CEO achieves nothing. We may save some money on his salary / bonus. That is not going to change anything strategically maybe pay for one extra squad player or reduce season tickets by £10 each. Football is quite a straightforward business because it is so heavily regulated. There is no CEO out there who is going to change anything radical. If it is all about getting rid of Lawwell fair enough but people shouldn't think that a new CEO will usher in a new era.
I have no real idea what goes on in board meetings but I have serious doubts that it is the board providing the strategic vision for the club. We need a new CEO with new ideas and ambition (and I know DD will have the final say). And a board with NEDs who aren't all Lawwell associates.
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27 Jul 2016, 11:53 AM
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If the board aren't asking pretty serious question of PL right now they're completely failing in their duty to hold the operational manager to account. They've changed manager and it was a roaring success, I've no doubt that the managers list of transfer signings have been communicated to the board, so PL should be explaining why those haven't happened.
I'm sure it's something he's very accomplished at doing, he's had enough practise. Would be nice if anyone on the board had the balls the say 'listen Peter, we've heard all these things before. We understand and appreciate that your task is to get the best deal but if we fail to make the CL group stages again it is, also again, far too easy for people to point fingers at us for failing to deliver the targets for the sake of <insert figure considerably less than the CL revenue would generate>. If you can't make the deals happen then someone else need to take over this side of the business'.
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27 Jul 2016, 12:03 PM
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Lawwell's time is up.
We need a fresh approach now.
Toure & Sinclair should have both been signed in time to play tonight.
Not going to defend Lawwell but I'm not sure what people expect a new approach would be. The CEO shouldn't be involved as much in player selection as ours seemed to be but that has hopefully changed, if not then that is because of the board not the CEO so a change of CEO achieves nothing. We may save some money on his salary / bonus. That is not going to change anything strategically maybe pay for one extra squad player or reduce season tickets by £10 each. Football is quite a straightforward business because it is so heavily regulated. There is no CEO out there who is going to change anything radical. If it is all about getting rid of Lawwell fair enough but people shouldn't think that a new CEO will usher in a new era.
I have no real idea what goes on in board meetings but I have serious doubts that it is the board providing the strategic vision for the club. We need a new CEO with new ideas and ambition (and I know DD will have the final say). It's the new ideas bit I struggle with. What are they?
Football is heavily regulated by powerful regulators who have a vested interest in the status quo.
Only a fundamental change in the structure of European football will change much.
Changing the CEO of Celtic will not influence that.
It is wishful thinking to think that changing the pantomime villain will change our strategy.
Moving towards being football led rather than accountancy led is a step that will help us. What does a new CEO bring to the party given that the role is being made less influential.
Saying that the CEO will be paid to come up with the strategy is ignoring the fact that we are hamstrung at European level as a matter of design not a matter of incompetence.
Edit to say: Taking PL out of the equation may help as it will at least focus fans on our limited options rather than discussing why he just does everything to increase his bonus.
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