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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,984 Views)
Jinkys 7
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tinsoldier
1 Aug 2014, 10:44 PM
I understand that the board have implemented a strict business model regarding bringing players in and increasing their value etc etc but surely there is some room for flexibility? Is it really too much to ask for instance that we bring in someone with a bit of experience, especially up front?
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tinsoldier
1 Aug 2014, 10:44 PM
I understand that the board have implemented a strict business model regarding bringing players in and increasing their value etc etc but surely there is some room for flexibility? Is it really too much to ask for instance that we bring in someone with a bit of experience, especially up front?
Tbh I'd like us to have a lot more experience, leaders if you like, throughout the team right now.
We badly missed brown the other night. It shouldn't all be down to him.
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tinsoldier
1 Aug 2014, 10:44 PM
I understand that the board have implemented a strict business model regarding bringing players in and increasing their value etc etc but surely there is some room for flexibility? Is it really too much to ask for instance that we bring in someone with a bit of experience, especially up front?
it might be very hard to get one to come to scotland though. the majority of the premiership were struggling to sign goalscorers last season and they are offering much much more money
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1 Aug 2014, 09:34 PM
celtovik
1 Aug 2014, 07:14 PM
It can't go on like this.

Buy cheap, sell high.

There is no alternative. 15 years ago the club were 30m in debt (and rising) having funded Barnes and then O'Neill. And that was at a time when we could compete with Premiership clubs in terms of wages. We became so hamstrung, even back then with Champions League football, 60k fans every week and the run to Seville, certain transfer windows amounted to failed loan deals for Dwight Yorke. We simply have to look for value and when we find it we have to look at recouping our outlay - at least. Spending millions on players and allowing their contracts to expire is the path to bankruptcy.
Remarkable that in 2004/05 Celtic were 16th richest club in the world, 18th the following year.

We are now reportedly in the top 40 after dropping out in 2013.
Clearly the funds from Wanyama/Hooper helped us gain a top 40 place.

So why have we fallen so far?

We had a quality side, wages were high but so too was our stock and our attendances averaged 57/58k.

So how the feck can we continually drop whilst finances/debts (in comparison to 2004) are so well 'managed'

We can't keep blaming the EPL for inflated wages etc as some of the top teams now are Napoli, Hamburg, Fenerbache who have only recently charted on the list.

When Mon mentioned life in the slow lane I'm not sure even he understood how prophetic his words would be.
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1 Aug 2014, 07:41 PM
The board appointed the cheap option. A guy who didn't laugh when he was told what the budget was. Moyes, Keane and the other 'top men' were not interested. Lenny left because he told them that they had made an erse of it with Balde, Pukki and the Dutch sick note. He had asked for 2 players that would have cost £1.5 million more than those 3 Diddies.

We are now in a mess, with our supposed best players wanting away and a novice in charge to sort it out.( not his fault )

As it stands, with the possibility of Forster, VVD and others for the off, we have the possibility of that team winning feck all.
Sums up my feelings. PL has had success in the transfer market no doubt about that. My gripe with him is that the squad doesn't continually require the addition of loads of cheap prospects when the sum of the money spent could have bought a few players of better quality who would be first team starters. I think the success that PL has had in the transfer market clouds his judgement and fuels his ego when he should be taking a more critical look at the money he has wasted. Much more of the profit from the sale of our decent players should have been invested in their direct replacements, he has missed out on some good players because he refuses to pay the going rate and we end up with two or three numpties. I understand that we are inevitably regressing because if the financial constraints but I feel that PL has significantly sped up this process by not investing in better quality, when he leaves this won't be a part of his legacy that he will be mentioning on his CV.
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bermbob
1 Aug 2014, 11:32 PM
TK57
1 Aug 2014, 07:41 PM
The board appointed the cheap option. A guy who didn't laugh when he was told what the budget was. Moyes, Keane and the other 'top men' were not interested. Lenny left because he told them that they had made an erse of it with Balde, Pukki and the Dutch sick note. He had asked for 2 players that would have cost £1.5 million more than those 3 Diddies.

We are now in a mess, with our supposed best players wanting away and a novice in charge to sort it out.( not his fault )

As it stands, with the possibility of Forster, VVD and others for the off, we have the possibility of that team winning feck all.
Sums up my feelings. PL has had success in the transfer market no doubt about that. My gripe with him is that the squad doesn't continually require the addition of loads of cheap prospects when the sum of the money spent could have bought a few players of better quality who would be first team starters. I think the success that PL has had in the transfer market clouds his judgement and fuels his ego when he should be taking a more critical look at the money he has wasted. Much more of the profit from the sale of our decent players should have been invested in their direct replacements, he has missed out on some good players because he refuses to pay the going rate and we end up with two or three numpties. I understand that we are inevitably regressing because if the financial constraints but I feel that PL has significantly sped up this process by not investing in better quality, when he leaves this won't be a part of his legacy that he will be mentioning on his CV.
Peter Lawwell is in a stronger position than the manager, has been for years, and that's a huge danger. I know he's getting paid more than Ronny ffs.
It reminds me of when Jock Brown was untouchable.
Fans could get any manager the sack, but not the beatified Peter. That's why he treats us like dirt transfer wise and constantly rips the piss safe in the knowledge that as long as his bonus remians intact he doesn't give a eff.
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nakasboots
31 Jul 2014, 07:21 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 06:21 PM
nakasboots
31 Jul 2014, 05:48 PM

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Yes of course it's the fault of the diehard for continuing to support the team! :clap:

What is the alternative? Don't support the team and watch us get progressively worse. Unless we move to the EPL we won't ever see another signing from a top team in england at the kind of price sutton was.

Appreciate a bit of a catch 22 regarding those who buy season tickets however the signing of Pukki is simply a poor quality signing and wasn't cheap. Griffiths i can actually (personality/character aside) see was worth a punt but if you want to look closer at the reason where we are just now then i don't think the solution is for the current 40-45k of fans to turn the back on the club. I can kind of see where you are coming from about making the board take notice but sounds more like you are trying to excuse your own glory hunting than actually supporting the team.

The guys i know and sit beside don't give a feck about the huns in whatever form they want to present themselves.
Nowt to do with my 'glory hunting'

I wouldn't spend my hard earned on watching what's on offer.

Others will, and I applaud them.. 'through thick and thin' and all that.

Dunno bout you, or your family/mates but here's an honest rundown of those who have/are season book holders in my close family.

Auld man/is has been since dot.
Sis. Was/now only holds books for purpose of getting her two boys to see the matches.
Bro-in-law. Was for years, cancelled last year
Uncle. as above
Two cousins. As above
Bro. (Has a book but stays in Donegal so cant make a fair chunk of games)
Me? There's always spares or mates not using, so why I would fork out for a SB at £££'s per year is a bit daft.

Have you managed to miss that attendances are down?

They can count SB holders for attendances of they like but attendances have gradually tapered away over the past few years.

The upper stand closure should be a sign that not all is well.

Did that ever happen under Strachan or O'Neil?

Anyway, my argument is so simple I'm surprised it's passed you by.

Quality on pitch = interest from the fans.
Pish on the pitch = stay away fans.

You will always have a hardcore of fans but of the family members I mentioned above, some of them had been regulars for over 20 years. I would have considered them amongst your hardcore.

More often than not, they will pick and choose games, or go to away/European matches.

Would they buys books if the quality was on offer? Who know's but the fact that for the first time in decades they haven't renewed, says it all to me.

Lawwell is ripping the pish out of the fans. It's that simple. :(
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murphio
1 Aug 2014, 09:34 PM
celtovik
1 Aug 2014, 07:14 PM
It can't go on like this.

Buy cheap, sell high.

There is no alternative. 15 years ago the club were 30m in debt (and rising) having funded Barnes and then O'Neill. And that was at a time when we could compete with Premiership clubs in terms of wages. We became so hamstrung, even back then with Champions League football, 60k fans every week and the run to Seville, certain transfer windows amounted to failed loan deals for Dwight Yorke. We simply have to look for value and when we find it we have to look at recouping our outlay - at least. Spending millions on players and allowing their contracts to expire is the path to bankruptcy.
So our club is just dying on its feet instead! I am not going back until there is some ambition shown once more. And where the f has all the money we have made over the last 3 years gone, no one need tell me it has been spent, I believe it is being pocketed.
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CarlisleCelt
2 Aug 2014, 07:51 AM
murphio
1 Aug 2014, 09:34 PM
celtovik
1 Aug 2014, 07:14 PM
It can't go on like this.

Buy cheap, sell high.

There is no alternative. 15 years ago the club were 30m in debt (and rising) having funded Barnes and then O'Neill. And that was at a time when we could compete with Premiership clubs in terms of wages. We became so hamstrung, even back then with Champions League football, 60k fans every week and the run to Seville, certain transfer windows amounted to failed loan deals for Dwight Yorke. We simply have to look for value and when we find it we have to look at recouping our outlay - at least. Spending millions on players and allowing their contracts to expire is the path to bankruptcy.
So our club is just dying on its feet instead! I am not going back until there is some ambition shown once more. And where the f has all the money we have made over the last 3 years gone, no one need tell me it has been spent, I believe it is being pocketed.
It really isn't being pocketed.
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CarlisleCelt
2 Aug 2014, 07:51 AM
murphio
1 Aug 2014, 09:34 PM
celtovik
1 Aug 2014, 07:14 PM
It can't go on like this.

Buy cheap, sell high.

There is no alternative. 15 years ago the club were 30m in debt (and rising) having funded Barnes and then O'Neill. And that was at a time when we could compete with Premiership clubs in terms of wages. We became so hamstrung, even back then with Champions League football, 60k fans every week and the run to Seville, certain transfer windows amounted to failed loan deals for Dwight Yorke. We simply have to look for value and when we find it we have to look at recouping our outlay - at least. Spending millions on players and allowing their contracts to expire is the path to bankruptcy.
So our club is just dying on its feet instead! I am not going back until there is some ambition shown once more. And where the f has all the money we have made over the last 3 years gone, no one need tell me it has been spent, I believe it is being pocketed.
the accounts are a few pages back and show where the money has went.

im not happy with the squad or lack of signings and think we could be in for a pretty boring season but lets quit the hyperbole. "dying on its feet" we have a squad full of internatioals that has achieved regular european football whilst dominating the league. its not their fault the huns died trying to compete with us

people are just being illogical and daft with terms like "show some ambition" and "speculate to accumulate" our football side of things have fortunes upon fortunes spent on it. people are making too many unrealistic comparisons to other clubs when its simply not a level playing field
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Isn't it just the case that when ff and Virgil are sold the money will be reinvested in rebuilding the squad? Just like it was with mcgeady?

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We are what we are. A team in a poor league with a reducing fan base. They are only protecting our future. I think we need to accept the CL may be a ship that has sailed as the elite only want elite in there. The Europa is our future.
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2 Aug 2014, 09:03 AM
We are what we are. A team in a poor league with a reducing fan base. They are only protecting our future. I think we need to accept the CL may be a ship that has sailed as the elite only want elite in there. The Europa is our future.
I know - we just can't compete against the likes of Legia and Elfsborg and Karagandy are just our level. And your right - to protect our future we need to pay our CEO more than anyone else bar Scott Brown and guarantee him a bonus no matter how well or how badly we do.
Edited by Corky Buczek, 2 Aug 2014, 09:09 AM.
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Is it possible to resign from being a Celtic fan? Celtic has been such an
integral part of my life for so long. The history, the magic, the sense of community
and the pride have kept me going through difficult times in my life.
I have travelled with such hope and excitement for so long, suffered the snide
remarks and harassment of the peelers at Stranraer and Cairnryan, watched in disbelief
the likes of Wayne Biggins and Carl Muggleton play for a team that I held so dear,
and then marvelled at how legends like Bobby Murdoch could somehow stick
that and remain so dedicated.
As the cheating bastards ( and their friends in black and in pinstripes ) racked up their
tainted 9, I stayed faithful true and true. I suffered for the wonderful player that
was Paul McStay, and regretted so much that his career ended just before the"Magnificent"
arrived. I sat and gloated as MON's team bullied and brushed aside the cheating
bastards, with swagger and the added genius of Henrik and Lubo.
I was proud! I could piss off the Man U's and L'pool's that pre-dominate over here.
We had overcome!
Then? My club decided to pull the magic carpet from under me.
A tad dramatic? Who knows.
Appointed a war criminal as Chairman. Check out our record under the
penny-halfpenny "Doctor", Blair's heavy. Shameful!
I did not set foot in Celtic Park whole that pumpkin was involved with my
beloved club. I hoped for better days after his departure.
I swelled with pride again when we stood together in the face of the shocking
intimidation of Neil Lennon and thought "there is a God" when the huns
imploded.
But alas, the greedy capitalist bastards who own and run our
club have done what the old mob, huns, masons and assorted cheats in suits
couldn't do, kill my passion.
Playing fast and loose with our loyalty, abusing our low paid staff, cosying up to
high Toryism, staying silent on the hun/SFA conspiracy,
patronising us with this Biton/Bitton ballocks and
making the team a laughing stock?
We were always the good guys. Just doesn't feel like it anymore.
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MILLIGANS ISLAND
2 Aug 2014, 09:02 AM
Isn't it just the case that when ff and Virgil are sold the money will be reinvested in rebuilding the squad? Just like it was with mcgeady?

we might have reinvested quite a bit of it if we had champs league money on top of it. i wouldnt get my hopes up now
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2 Aug 2014, 09:02 AM
Isn't it just the case that when ff and Virgil are sold the money will be reinvested in rebuilding the squad? Just like it was with mcgeady?

The McGeady money wasn't reinvested in the team. The cash we spent that summer was more or less the same as what we got for Boruc, Fortune and McManus.
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2 Aug 2014, 09:19 AM
MILLIGANS ISLAND
2 Aug 2014, 09:02 AM
Isn't it just the case that when ff and Virgil are sold the money will be reinvested in rebuilding the squad? Just like it was with mcgeady?

The McGeady money wasn't reinvested in the team. The cash we spent that summer was more or less the same as what we got for Boruc, Fortune and McManus.
we spent about 10m. those 3 only brought in about 5
Edited by Zurawski 7, 2 Aug 2014, 09:24 AM.
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2 Aug 2014, 09:23 AM
One sharp cookie
2 Aug 2014, 09:19 AM
MILLIGANS ISLAND
2 Aug 2014, 09:02 AM
Isn't it just the case that when ff and Virgil are sold the money will be reinvested in rebuilding the squad? Just like it was with mcgeady?

The McGeady money wasn't reinvested in the team. The cash we spent that summer was more or less the same as what we got for Boruc, Fortune and McManus.
we spent about 10m. those 3 only brought in about 5
We didn't spend anything like £10 million. I'm sure Lennon said some of the fees quoted in the media for the likes of Juarez and Murphy were miles off.
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2 Aug 2014, 09:11 AM
Is it possible to resign from being a Celtic fan? Celtic has been such an
integral part of my life for so long. The history, the magic, the sense of community
and the pride have kept me going through difficult times in my life.
I have travelled with such hope and excitement for so long, suffered the snide
remarks and harassment of the peelers at Stranraer and Cairnryan, watched in disbelief
the likes of Wayne Biggins and Carl Muggleton play for a team that I held so dear,
and then marvelled at how legends like Bobby Murdoch could somehow stick
that and remain so dedicated.
As the cheating bastards ( and their friends in black and in pinstripes ) racked up their
tainted 9, I stayed faithful true and true. I suffered for the wonderful player that
was Paul McStay, and regretted so much that his career ended just before the"Magnificent"
arrived. I sat and gloated as MON's team bullied and brushed aside the cheating
bastards, with swagger and the added genius of Henrik and Lubo.
I was proud! I could piss off the Man U's and L'pool's that pre-dominate over here.
We had overcome!
Then? My club decided to pull the magic carpet from under me.
A tad dramatic? Who knows.
Appointed a war criminal as Chairman. Check out our record under the
penny-halfpenny "Doctor", Blair's heavy. Shameful!
I did not set foot in Celtic Park whole that pumpkin was involved with my
beloved club. I hoped for better days after his departure.
I swelled with pride again when we stood together in the face of the shocking
intimidation of Neil Lennon and thought "there is a God" when the huns
imploded.
But alas, the greedy capitalist bastards who own and run our
club have done what the old mob, huns, masons and assorted cheats in suits
couldn't do, kill my passion.
Playing fast and loose with our loyalty, abusing our low paid staff, cosying up to
high Toryism, staying silent on the hun/SFA conspiracy,
patronising us with this Biton/Bitton ballocks and
making the team a laughing stock?
We were always the good guys. Just doesn't feel like it anymore.
:thumbsup:
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2 Aug 2014, 09:36 AM
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2 Aug 2014, 09:23 AM
One sharp cookie
2 Aug 2014, 09:19 AM

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we spent about 10m. those 3 only brought in about 5
We didn't spend anything like £10 million. I'm sure Lennon said some of the fees quoted in the media for the likes of Juarez and Murphy were miles off.
· Investment in football personnel of £10.29m (2010: £13.64m).

http://www.investegate.co.uk/article.aspx?id=201108151100033581M
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