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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,607 Views)
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on the contrary

I've said before, if the SFA are punished it's likely it's member clubs will bear the brunt

i.e mainly us
Pish
can you expand on that :lol:
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Pish
can you expand on that :lol:
Complete pish
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can you expand on that :lol:
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can you expand on that :lol:
Complete pish
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in all seriousness though, what sanction could be brought against the SFA by Uefa?
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can you expand on that :lol:
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in all seriousness though, what sanction could be brought against the SFA by Uefa?
Fine the hoors
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can you expand on that :lol:
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:lol: Man of few words is Remy.
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:lol: Man of few words is Remy.
And two of them are Jay Bothroyd. :ph43r:

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perhaps a fine, yeah

still of a mind feck all will happen

Uefa website still has all their 'history' detailed incidentally
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10 Jul 2016, 02:11 PM
perhaps a fine, yeah

still of a mind feck all will happen

Uefa website still has all their 'history' detailed incidentally
Who actually updates club webpages on there? I don't believe it is left to a UEFA official.

So is Derry City by all accounts?

It's like stating "FIFA said they were the same club" because an article was published on their website.

Which do you think holds more sway/weight - a reply in a legal missive or the club page on their website?
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perhaps a fine, yeah

still of a mind feck all will happen

Uefa website still has all their 'history' detailed incidentally
Who actually updates club webpages on there? I don't believe it is left to a UEFA official.

So is Derry City by all accounts?

It's like stating "FIFA said they were the same club" because an article was published on their website.

Which do you think holds more sway/weight - a reply in a legal missive or the club page on their website?
not convinced by the reply that the Res 12 guys said they received

wouldn't say it was confirmation of their new club status tbh, not yet

fair point re the website though
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10 Jul 2016, 02:11 PM
perhaps a fine, yeah

still of a mind feck all will happen

Uefa website still has all their 'history' detailed incidentally
Who actually updates club webpages on there? I don't believe it is left to a UEFA official.

So is Derry City by all accounts?

It's like stating "FIFA said they were the same club" because an article was published on their website.

Which do you think holds more sway/weight - a reply in a legal missive or the club page on their website?
not convinced by the reply that the Res 12 guys said they received

wouldn't say it was confirmation of their new club status tbh, not yet

fair point re the website though
Combine it with posts by Auldyin on here and elsewhere and others involved on various sites. In addition, add the blog by
James Forrest.

They are not sorting out funding, probably paying a major part of it themselves and devoting years to give us duff information. These guys are to be applauded. Remember what they have to fight against. Everything is against them.
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not convinced by the reply that the Res 12 guys said they received

wouldn't say it was confirmation of their new club status tbh, not yet

fair point re the website though
Combine it with posts by Auldyin on here and elsewhere and others involved on various sites. In addition, add the blog by
James Forrest.

They are not sorting out funding, probably paying a major part of it themselves and devoting years to give us duff information. These guys are to be applauded. Remember what they have to fight against. Everything is against them.
the bhoys are fighting the good fight of course

just don't think the club/company statement on the alleged letter from Uefa is crystal clear
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Combine it with posts by Auldyin on here and elsewhere and others involved on various sites. In addition, add the blog by
James Forrest.

They are not sorting out funding, probably paying a major part of it themselves and devoting years to give us duff information. These guys are to be applauded. Remember what they have to fight against. Everything is against them.
the bhoys are fighting the good fight of course

just don't think the club/company statement on the alleged letter from Uefa is crystal clear
What is ambiguous about "a new club/company"?

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A slash is an informal "conjunction used to link alternatives or words denoting or describing a dual (or multiple) function or nature"


Given that UEFA rules state a club must be a legal entity.

What is ambiguous about it? How else can you read ""a new club/company" in a legal missive?

Tell me what else it could possibly mean?

Edit: The only drawback is that they have not posted proof of the original and have only quoted it on their blog. So that only leaves the possibility they have edited the contents they purport to have quoted and are being disingenuous?
Personally, given the trouble, time, effort and money (donated or not) these guys have put into this, I don't think they would risk their reputations by fabricating a quote at this stage? Do you?






Edited by DhenBhoy, 10 Jul 2016, 03:15 PM.
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Combine it with posts by Auldyin on here and elsewhere and others involved on various sites. In addition, add the blog by
James Forrest.

They are not sorting out funding, probably paying a major part of it themselves and devoting years to give us duff information. These guys are to be applauded. Remember what they have to fight against. Everything is against them.
the bhoys are fighting the good fight of course

just don't think the club/company statement on the alleged letter from Uefa is crystal clear
Which part of "a new club/company which sought entry into the fourth tier of Scottish football" are you having difficulty with?
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the bhoys are fighting the good fight of course

just don't think the club/company statement on the alleged letter from Uefa is crystal clear
Which part of "a new club/company which sought entry into the fourth tier of Scottish football" are you having difficulty with?
This!!

I have no idea how a simple slash can cause so much confusion and panic.

Edit: Haud on ... mibbe it means "club per company" or "club as a fraction of a company?
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club or company

couldn't that be left open to interpretation?
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the bhoys are fighting the good fight of course

just don't think the club/company statement on the alleged letter from Uefa is crystal clear
What is ambiguous about "a new club/company"?

Quote:
 
A slash is an informal "conjunction used to link alternatives or words denoting or describing a dual (or multiple) function or nature"


Given that UEFA rules state a club must be a legal entity.

What is ambiguous about it? How else can you read ""a new club/company" in a legal missive?

Tell me what else it could possibly mean?

Edit: The only drawback is that they have not posted proof of the original and have only quoted it on their blog. So that only leaves the possibility they have edited the contents they purport to have quoted and are being disingenuous?
Personally, given the trouble, time, effort and money (donated or not) these guys have put into this, I don't think they would risk their reputations by fabricating a quote at this stage? Do you?






no, I don't think they would fabricate quotes

and the fact they haven't provided the letter is the only using I said 'alleged'
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10 Jul 2016, 03:17 PM
club or company

couldn't that be left open to interpretation?
No, that's why both are used.
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10 Jul 2016, 03:17 PM
club or company

couldn't that be left open to interpretation?
Not in a legal missive where they are giving a reply.

The Club must be a "legal entity "as far UEFA are concerned and the CLUB are the licence applicants.

There was no other "holding company" prior to Sevco's RIFC.

Club of associated members - Incorporated - Limited company (club and company are synonymous) - Public company (still same legal entity) - being liquidated.

There is no separation of a company/club's legal entity, nor do UEFA recognise any such a separation. They do now recognise holding companies which is entirely irrelevant.

So why would a professional solicitor mean "or" with a slash, which btw is not a normal interpretation of a slash it's usually interpreted as "and/or" as in "an informal conjunction used to link alternatives or words denoting or describing a dual (or multiple) function or nature".

Given the context of the whole piece, written by a professional, in response to a legal query .. do you really think he is using an ambiguous interpretation of "or"?




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