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| The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM | |
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| Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,609 Views) | |
| lebonq | 8 Jul 2016, 11:16 PM Post #8261 |
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Outstanding effort from these guys, we should celebrate their tenacity and dedication to the cause, true Celtic men. As one who has been discriminated by the establishment club’s supporters all my life it’s so satisfying to know we were right all along and the establishment club are dead, gone forever. – God Bless all involved in Resolution 12, regarless of which blog they post on.
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| joe-h | 8 Jul 2016, 11:26 PM Post #8262 |
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X two. Spot on.
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| Broadly Equivalent Bhoy | 8 Jul 2016, 11:27 PM Post #8263 |
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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I wonder if the announcement on CQN today is an attempt to put pressure on the Board to get involved. Given that it is now clear that we were cheated out of the chance of CL football in 2011/12 there is no excuse for the club's continuing silence on this matter. |
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| Auldyin | 8 Jul 2016, 11:37 PM Post #8264 |
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That has not been 100% established, only a thorough investigation taking all factors into account would do that. That is why a further response is going to UEFA later as the update explains. After that who knows but Res12 will have met its obligations to the signatories of the Resolution. |
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| Auldyin | 8 Jul 2016, 11:52 PM Post #8265 |
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a repeat of my last word from CQN. Maybe I’m too negative, but why allow some ambiguity to remain with the ” club/company” reference? They’ve never denied it was a new company. This wording leaves wriggle room in my opinion. ================================ The ambiguity is from an misunderstanding (deliberate?) of UEFA Article 12. Chapter 2: Licence Applicant and Licence Article 12 – Definition of licence applicant 1 A licence applicant may ONLY be a football CLUB, i.e. a legal entity fully responsible for a football team participating in national and international competitions which either: a) is a registered member of a UEFA member association and/or its affiliated league (hereinafter: registered member); or b) has a contractual relationship with a registered member (hereinafter: football company). 2 The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – at the start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years. Any alteration to the club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example, changing its headquarters, name or club colours, or transferring stakeholdings between different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of a competition is deemed as an interruption of membership or contractual relationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision ================= In Europe clubs can be a) or b) and at present the club operating from Ibrox looks like its b) if RIFC have a contractual relationship with TRFC. RIFC do not have a contractual relationship with RFC 1872 so if they apply they are a new club/company under b) If TRFC apply they are a new club under a). UEFA had to cover the current construct in their reply to make the point neither a) nor b) would face sanctions because to UEFA they are “new”. If they are not “new” UEFA would have sanctioned them in 2012 for breaches in 2011. RFC 1872 were not sanctioned and TRFC/RIFC were not eligible for three years because they are new. I’ll say no more on this use of the term “company” to mean anything other than what UEFA intend for its not what Res12 was about. An unforeseen consequence, a question that was never asked and what UEFA volunteered by way of explaining no sanction in 2011. |
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| Auldyin | 8 Jul 2016, 11:56 PM Post #8266 |
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The UEFA response was copied to the SFA. The media got some of it from somewhere last week but the use of the words "new club/company" never got a mention. Funny that. |
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| Wee Ed KTF | 9 Jul 2016, 12:38 AM Post #8267 |
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Very well done, Auldyin, and profound thanks to you and the other Res 12ers.
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| tenerifetim | 9 Jul 2016, 01:22 AM Post #8268 |
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James Forrest link working here - Kudos to all concerned ! http://thecelticblog.com/2016/07/blogs/resolution-12-the-verdict-and-the-victory-that-restores-truth-to-scottish-football/ |
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| tinytim81 | 9 Jul 2016, 01:33 AM Post #8269 |
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Where does it go from here though? Obviously that acknowledgment from UEFA is great but what does that do for us knowing that no action will be taken? What about the SFA for example? This isn't a criticism. The work done here is fantastic. |
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| Algarvian | 9 Jul 2016, 01:55 AM Post #8270 |
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Na, well out there, it was Celtic hero James Forrest, Otherwise known as the green David Leggat. |
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| Fearghas | 9 Jul 2016, 02:19 AM Post #8271 |
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| pedrok | 9 Jul 2016, 02:31 AM Post #8272 |
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Thanks. Well done. |
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| FergusMcGrain | 9 Jul 2016, 09:10 AM Post #8273 |
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Firstly, many many thanks to you guys for your stoic tenacity. As I have said previously regarding the Offensive Behaviour Act protesters, there are those that just accept wrongs and trundle on in their wee lives, and there are guys like you who really make the difference. So, to me it is absolutely clear. UEFA were lied to and provided a licence to play in Europe to Old Rangers. They were aware later in that season that old Rangers should NOT have been given the licence, but as they went bust and the New Club was formed that could not play in Europe for three seasons, there was no action to be taken. Also, they make it clear they are a new club and this will be further clarified when New Rangers qualify for Europe ans receive their co-efficient. More importantly now is the question of the SFA and their role in supporting old Rangers in receiving a licence. Everyone saw the pictures of Sheriff Officers turning up at Ibrox, and it is difficult to explain how our Governing body didn't know Rangers were in breach of a European Licence. Old Rangers are gone, but all the people at the SFA are still here and need to be held accountable. They are one of two things. 1) Guilty of helping Rangers lie to UEFA or 2) Completely incompetent. Well done to you. Edited by FergusMcGrain, 9 Jul 2016, 09:59 AM.
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| Busa Bhoy | 9 Jul 2016, 09:32 AM Post #8274 |
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well done the Res 12 guys. excellent effort. it still amazes me the amount of celtic fans who have no idea of this and others who dont care
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| Fearghas | 9 Jul 2016, 09:55 AM Post #8275 |
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can't blame those who are un-informed. can't expect everyone to read messageboards etc some people just don't have the time. but anybody who has even a slight understanding of the situation and still couldn't gaf are probably the same ones who are glad to see a team who plays at ibrox in the division and rushed out to buy season tkts. they support celtic for the wrong reasons and give fans of other clubs vindication for calling us two cheeks of the same arse etc. |
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| cautious dave | 9 Jul 2016, 10:34 AM Post #8276 |
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It is an excellent effort well done to the Res12 guys. A big reason I suspect that some Celtic fans don't know or don't care about this issue is the lack of media coverage this issue gets. The only Res12 coverage I can recall outside of Celtic messageboards (or SFM) is when they gave Regans recent response that everything had been done by the book or STV's incorrect story that UEFA had said no case to answer on Res12. Just like the Jim Farry / Jorge Cadette registration case or the Hugh Dallas Pope email case, this issue isn't being reported the way it should be. Despite the power of new media, traditional media still controls the narrative which explains the ignorance. The apathy is probably linked to that as well. When you think of all the dodges, cheats, scams, rule breaking and collusion that the various facets of the Huns and the SFA have been involved in over the last 5 years alone, and compare the punishments they've received compared to what they should've got, it's understandable why some Celtic and Scottish football fans think apathetically. I can understand that to many Celtic fans, the Res12 result (so far) could be viewed as yet another chapter to the excellent book I read about 15 years ago - Celtic's Paranoia - All in The Mind |
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| Auldyin | 9 Jul 2016, 11:09 AM Post #8277 |
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After seeking clarification on the points UEFA Club Licensing and FFP made and challenging others with the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Res12 will have run its course in terms of responsibility to those shareholders who supported the Resolution. It will depend on what UEFA say in response, but even if Res12 had been passed in 2013 what happened next would still depend on what UEFA have to say. The issue here is not looking at what was said or done, it is about checking if what was said or done or not done as rules required was honest. That is why an investigation is needed not so much into what was said done by RFC, no point in that for reasons given by UEFA, but what was not done by SFA that should have been. The UEFA response once the hoo ha has died down now makes this squarely about how our game is governed, not just in 2011 but since when irregularities were drawn to both SFA and SPFLs attention (iro the LNS Commision). Will Celtic be satisfied after Res12 has run its course that the SFA/SPFLS have acted properly? Are other clubs in the SPFL? That will be the issue. |
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| Torquemada | 9 Jul 2016, 11:17 AM Post #8278 |
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Auldyin, have you read the letter personally? Do you expect it to be published when the issue has been resolved in the eyes of the requisitioners?
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| pedrok | 9 Jul 2016, 11:41 AM Post #8279 |
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It seems to me to be about- What the SFA knew. When they knew. What they did with this information. |
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| OverAndOver | 9 Jul 2016, 11:46 AM Post #8280 |
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First of all what a fantastic effort from the Resolution 12 guys - sheer perseverance paid off - a great deal of gratitude is owed to you as i fear if this matter had been left with the board to deal with it would not have seen the light of day. Secondly this passage is taken from the statement at 6pm on CQN last night However, in terms of accountability, the full UEFA response, when set against and contrasted with other information in the public domain, previous replies and public statements from the SFA, has raised further significant and as yet unanswered questions that shareholders feel should be drawn to the attention of UEFA Club Financial Control Body, the SFA (who said they would cooperate with any enquiry/investigation by UEFA) and Celtic, whom UEFA invited to take up directly. If i am reading this correctly it states that UEFA have invited Celtic to get involved directly - if Auldyin is about - has this happened ? and if not is it likely to happen in the near future ? |
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