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| Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,985 Views) | |
| SaMule | 1 Aug 2014, 02:11 PM Post #801 |
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I'm more bored than board to be honest. Steve Clarke's such an incredible manager that he's currently out of work after getting the sack from West Brom. I wouldn't have been against his appointment, but I'm not dumb enough to think he'd have guaranteed us CL football any more than Deila or just about any other manager that we had a reasonable chance of getting. |
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| zombieslayer35 | 1 Aug 2014, 02:16 PM Post #802 |
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Getting on a bit
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Unfortunately true. |
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| One sharp cookie | 1 Aug 2014, 02:18 PM Post #803 |
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Getting on a bit
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I was underwhelmed when it looked like Steve Clarke was the front runner. But, if we get papped out on Wednesday, there will definitely be folk asking why we overlooked experienced coaches and made the most left-field appointment in our history (and that's saying something after Barnes, Brady and Venglos). |
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| Pat McGatt | 1 Aug 2014, 02:21 PM Post #804 |
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First-team captain
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I don't think it's "dumb" to suggest that Clarke might have been more tactically astute than Deila was the other night. I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have gone gung ho for 90 minutes, chopped the team around and been left needing three goals in the second leg of a penultimate qualifier. I'm saying this a someone fully supportive of Ronny being given time too. |
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| katlegend | 1 Aug 2014, 02:50 PM Post #805 |
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First-team starter
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That we are a club without ambition has been clear for a while now. The Fletcher/Flood window in 2009 set my alarm bells ringing & without doubt it was a damaging window for the club. The board then allowed a Rangers team on their deathbeds to win not one, two, but 3 consecutive titles that should have been well out of their reach. Two of these titles came with guaranteed CL jackpots. The appointment of Neil Lennon as a rookie manager was also a clear sign of the boards intentions. Much as I admired Neil as a player , and knew he was a true Celt, he would never have been considered had we any real ambition. I decided I wouldn't renew my season ticket if he got the job as it was a clear statement of the Club's intents. This has proved to be the case. The transfer window last Summer was just a total disgrace. The manager wanted Finnbogason, who we could easily afford, but we got two figures of ridicule instead because they were a lot cheaper. The striker the manager wanted is now in La Liga & only Suarez & Ronaldo scored more league goals than him last season in the whole if Europe. This summers managerial appointment shows were still on the same road, as do the two signings that we've made so far. When I read a team sheet these days I just cringe at most of the names on it. How can any of us accept this as a Celtic team ? |
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| Perry Whyte | 1 Aug 2014, 03:03 PM Post #806 |
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Occasional Substitute
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The board are aware the the prize pot for the CL group stages doubles as of next season and are planning appropriately, yes?
Edited by Perry Whyte, 1 Aug 2014, 03:03 PM.
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| nakasboots | 1 Aug 2014, 04:18 PM Post #807 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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re: Finnbogason, I remember a few posters on here saying how anyone can top the Dutch scoring charts and it's not a reasonable barometer of a player. He was approx £3/4M at that point. Then after another storming season and the figure was £4-6M, many laughed that a two season wonder was not value at that price and it would be a ridiculous gamble to even consider that kind of outlay.He's now off to La Liga in a £7M deal. Dodged a bullet there Peter, well played.
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| Glorious_1967 | 1 Aug 2014, 04:20 PM Post #808 |
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Getting on a bit
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Based on what? Complete speculation
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| Winds of Change CSC | 1 Aug 2014, 05:59 PM Post #809 |
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First-team starter
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This. That squad two years ago had a fair amount of potential. We should have tried to enhance it not rip it apart. selling Wanyama, Hooper & Wilson and replacing them with mediocre dross was a massive mistake. VVD was brought in to partner Wilson not replace him. When Wilson was allowed to leave why wasn't a replacement signed? it was a shocking state of affairs. Despite this hatchet job we still managed to get into the group stages with the final kick of the ball, did we then go and make some prudent investment? did we hell. Since this debacle we have continued to downsize losing high earners like Ledley & Samaras for next to nothing and not providing any replacements. This close season has been far worse then I could ever of imagined, a total lack of investment and the prospect of yet more players leaving, it is nothing short of criminal. We now have projects in the dugout to mirror the ones on the pitch. it's a woeful squad, weak in just about every area with an excess of overpaid dross on the sidelines. The players signed recently demonstrate that our scouting department is also wide of the mark when it comes to identify what we actually need. Lawwell supports Celtic PLC not Celtic FC, he is by far & away the biggest problem we have. his time at the club is up, his policies are killing us on & off the park, I am sick to the back teeth of the man. RD seems like a decent guy but it is already clear that the more influential members of our esteemed playing squad are grumbling at the new methods. It makes me cringe to think that I am talking about the likes of Stokes, Commons & Mulgrew as our more influential players FFS. I was scunnered after that performance in midweek, now I am just becoming indifferent because I do not see this changing anytime soon. It's soul destroying |
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| celtovik | 1 Aug 2014, 07:14 PM Post #810 |
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It can't go on like this. Buy cheap, sell high. That is not working. Our good players may go, no confidence at all that their quality will be replaced. We are like a poker player who has a lucky win in the first round -- Hooper, Wanyama. (Scunthorpe!) As the next rounds go by, the poor poker player reveals his lack of skill. Keeps the same strategy, declining returns. Bangura, Miku, the other one, Pukki. There are more. Now we are chasing the pot with a bad set of cards. And Football requires a gamble. Doesn't have to be like Sevco. But football is not a business like others. We need to be more courageous in our signing policy, or we become a mediocrity. If we're not already. Otherwise, what's the point? Edited by celtovik, 1 Aug 2014, 07:15 PM.
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| TK57 | 1 Aug 2014, 07:41 PM Post #811 |
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the thunder came back
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The board appointed the cheap option. A guy who didn't laugh when he was told what the budget was. Moyes, Keane and the other 'top men' were not interested. Lenny left because he told them that they had made an erse of it with Balde, Pukki and the Dutch sick note. He had asked for 2 players that would have cost £1.5 million more than those 3 Diddies. We are now in a mess, with our supposed best players wanting away and a novice in charge to sort it out.( not his fault ) As it stands, with the possibility of Forster, VVD and others for the off, we have the possibility of that team winning feck all. |
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| Dewey | 1 Aug 2014, 08:00 PM Post #812 |
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Formerly Flatlandbhoy
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It is more complicated than just economy. Top five in attendance in SPL 2013-2014: Celtic attendance rose .3% from 2012-13 numbers. Yet Hearts saw +7.3%, Aberdeen +34.4%, Hibs +5.1%, and DU +.7%. Lots of reasons for fans to stay away. Economy. League opposition. But, surely, on-field quality ranks among them. And that is what the board are responsible for. I am not sure what is debatable here. The qualitative downsizing? Fan frustration? Short-term profiteering without wise reinvestment to keep the cycle going? Regardless, we'll trounce the league for four-in-a-row. Hopefully.
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| culchie | 1 Aug 2014, 08:59 PM Post #813 |
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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The board are defo banking on the return of the hun (their fans not the club/company). This will probably add 10,000 season ticket holders along with two four man tent signings that will keep them going on salaries/bonuses for a while. I was slated on here a couple of years back for suggesting when Lawell does go he will not return as a supporter. The way he is guiding things now he wouldn't have the brass neck to come near the place. |
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| murphio | 1 Aug 2014, 09:34 PM Post #814 |
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Could start a row in an empty room
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There is no alternative. 15 years ago the club were 30m in debt (and rising) having funded Barnes and then O'Neill. And that was at a time when we could compete with Premiership clubs in terms of wages. We became so hamstrung, even back then with Champions League football, 60k fans every week and the run to Seville, certain transfer windows amounted to failed loan deals for Dwight Yorke. We simply have to look for value and when we find it we have to look at recouping our outlay - at least. Spending millions on players and allowing their contracts to expire is the path to bankruptcy. |
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| Gonga | 1 Aug 2014, 09:37 PM Post #815 |
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Older than dirt
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I think the term he is looking for is buy smart, sell high. |
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| murphio | 1 Aug 2014, 09:44 PM Post #816 |
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Could start a row in an empty room
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We have done OK. Yes, there has been failures but when you look at what we spent on Hooper, Mulgrew, Ledley, Stokes, Izzaguire, Forster, Wilson, Matthews, Wanyama, Lustig, Ambrose, Van Dijk...... it wasn't fortunes. We have been fairly smart, in all fairness. |
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| Broadsword | 1 Aug 2014, 09:55 PM Post #817 |
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Can I have 12 bottles of bleach please?
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Kelvin Wilson had personal reasons for moving back to Nottingham. I don't think anyone at the club really anticipated selling him to be fair. |
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| Gonga | 1 Aug 2014, 10:19 PM Post #818 |
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Older than dirt
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I agree, we have on an individual basis made some good signings. My main issue is that we don't seem to know when to move players on and how to keep things fresh. We now have an incredibly stale side who are stuck between their own comfort zone and not actually giving a eff. Whether that is because they want to see the club bring new faces in to help them progress, or they are just taking the job for granted because they know this is as good as it gets and nobody else is challenging for their position I do not know. Its poor management, and its been coming for a while. Lenny was great at the start, but became an extremely lazy manager as time progressed and I think we are left with a squad that shows that. |
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| ootmaheid | 1 Aug 2014, 10:41 PM Post #819 |
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supersub
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| tinsoldier | 1 Aug 2014, 10:44 PM Post #820 |
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Older than dirt
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I understand that the board have implemented a strict business model regarding bringing players in and increasing their value etc etc but surely there is some room for flexibility? Is it really too much to ask for instance that we bring in someone with a bit of experience, especially up front? |
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was not value at that price and it would be a ridiculous gamble to even consider that kind of outlay.


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