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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,986 Views)
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paulfg42
1 Aug 2014, 08:52 AM
I'd like to know why teams with much smaller budgets than ours can embarrass us in terms of skill, organisation and commitment.
Decent coaching provides that.
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1 Aug 2014, 08:52 AM
I'd like to know why teams with much smaller budgets than ours can embarrass us in terms of skill, organisation and commitment.
Attitude and determination is a major factor, its why over the years we've been shown up by the likes of Morton and Ross County in one off cup ties and similarly why we can turn up at Celtic Park on Champions League night and beat teams such as AC Milan, Barcelona and Man Utd that have far superior teams and budgets to ours.
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Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple


Aspects of that are still very true today. Without the basic skill of being able to control a ball and find space to receive the ball everything else pretty much falls down.

Our problem is we have too many players who cant control ball without the need of a minimum of 3 touches before they have it under sufficient control to make a pass.
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1 Aug 2014, 09:35 AM
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thenakattack
1 Aug 2014, 08:57 AM

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Probably best to give him more than 3 competitive games before judging I would think...
There's a few champing at the bit to be first to demand his sacking, thinking of the potential internets glory that lies ahead if he does get punted. I WAS FIRST, I WAS FIRST!!! TELT YEEZZ!!!
Ehh hold on chaps I back Ronny 100% at this moment. That statement looked more negative than it was meant to.
I was just meaning I've not seen it yet, I still hope and think I will.
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Is there a football performance bonus for the scouts, like John Park?
Is there a player profit turnaround bonus for John Park?
Which incentive or combination gets John Park the highest wages.
Similar questions for Peter Lawwell, and the coaching staff.
Are we set up for footballing or financial success, what pays the best rewards?
Unless footballing success reaps the best rewards for all the employees, we are hobbling our progress.
Nobody at a football club should get bonuses solely on financial prudence. For me, footballing success should make up 60-70% of any crucial employee bonuses.
The danger may be that Lawwell and/or Park and the coach/manager rewards are too heavily biased toward financial results.
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31 Jul 2014, 03:41 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 03:37 PM
murphio
31 Jul 2014, 03:36 PM

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Luckier than being the one in charge when the huns died?
I wouldnt call that luck at all - in actual fact I believe Rangers' death robbed Neil Lennon of completing his managerial legacy at Celtic purely because there was no Rangers. If anything that makes his the very opposite to 'lucky'.
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Moving the goalposts much?

Your point was about 'our history' not about the manager's legacy. Beating the huns to a league sure helped Jansen's managerial career, eh?

Lennon had two leagues handed to him and two free runs at the Champions League without much domestic pressure. Luckiest manager in Celtic's history.
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remy mcswain
1 Aug 2014, 09:30 AM
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1 Aug 2014, 09:11 AM
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1 Aug 2014, 09:01 AM

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Time will tell on that one but the other night he got so much wrong it and then failed to remedy it.
Agreed. I was commenting on H4L's statement re the players didn't do what asked.

Deila effed up the team, the formation and the subs. Oh, and his much vaunted "system".
Sorry Remy maybe I can across wrong, I wasn't meaning the players just went out and didn't do what was asked purposely. I think that maybe they just never got the new ideas (if there were any) and that led to a total collapse. They certainly looked like a team who had no clue of what they were doing where they were going and how they could change things.

Manager has to take responsibility for that and had, it's how he rectifies it (if he can) from here that will be interesting to see.
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1 Aug 2014, 10:58 AM
Is there a football performance bonus for the scouts, like John Park?
Is there a player profit turnaround bonus for John Park?
Which incentive or combination gets John Park the highest wages.
Similar questions for Peter Lawwell, and the coaching staff.
Are we set up for footballing or financial success, what pays the best rewards?
Unless footballing success reaps the best rewards for all the employees, we are hobbling our progress.
Nobody at a football club should get bonuses solely on financial prudence. For me, footballing success should make up 60-70% of any crucial employee bonuses.
The danger may be that Lawwell and/or Park and the coach/manager rewards are too heavily biased toward financial results.
I'm sure that the accounts, objective as they are, will agree with you when the 2014/15 figures are tallied WR.

The £17m that Steve Clarke would have delivered through CL qualification (cost £1.5m is a net £15.5m revenue gain)

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The £3m that the Ronny Deila is likely to deliver through an abject EL campaign (cost £0.75m? is a net £2.25m revenue gain)
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leangreen
1 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
Wee Red
1 Aug 2014, 10:58 AM
Is there a football performance bonus for the scouts, like John Park?
Is there a player profit turnaround bonus for John Park?
Which incentive or combination gets John Park the highest wages.
Similar questions for Peter Lawwell, and the coaching staff.
Are we set up for footballing or financial success, what pays the best rewards?
Unless footballing success reaps the best rewards for all the employees, we are hobbling our progress.
Nobody at a football club should get bonuses solely on financial prudence. For me, footballing success should make up 60-70% of any crucial employee bonuses.
The danger may be that Lawwell and/or Park and the coach/manager rewards are too heavily biased toward financial results.
I'm sure that the accounts, objective as they are, will agree with you when the 2014/15 figures are tallied WR.

The £17m that Steve Clarke would have delivered through CL qualification (cost £1.5m is a net £15.5m revenue gain)

v

The £3m that the Ronny Deila is likely to deliver through an abject EL campaign (cost £0.75m? is a net £2.25m revenue gain)
Wow, Steve Clarke would have guaranteed us CL qualification, I didn't know that :rubeyes:
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SaMule
1 Aug 2014, 12:50 PM
leangreen
1 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
Wee Red
1 Aug 2014, 10:58 AM
Is there a football performance bonus for the scouts, like John Park?
Is there a player profit turnaround bonus for John Park?
Which incentive or combination gets John Park the highest wages.
Similar questions for Peter Lawwell, and the coaching staff.
Are we set up for footballing or financial success, what pays the best rewards?
Unless footballing success reaps the best rewards for all the employees, we are hobbling our progress.
Nobody at a football club should get bonuses solely on financial prudence. For me, footballing success should make up 60-70% of any crucial employee bonuses.
The danger may be that Lawwell and/or Park and the coach/manager rewards are too heavily biased toward financial results.
I'm sure that the accounts, objective as they are, will agree with you when the 2014/15 figures are tallied WR.

The £17m that Steve Clarke would have delivered through CL qualification (cost £1.5m is a net £15.5m revenue gain)

v

The £3m that the Ronny Deila is likely to deliver through an abject EL campaign (cost £0.75m? is a net £2.25m revenue gain)
Wow, Steve Clarke would have guaranteed us CL qualification, I didn't know that :rubeyes:
No manager would have got this squad into the CL, Deila made errors with his tactics and players but most of the blame has to lie with Lawwell, the squad is crying out for investment.
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1 Aug 2014, 11:13 AM
remy mcswain
1 Aug 2014, 09:30 AM
CaltonBhoy1967
1 Aug 2014, 09:11 AM

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Agreed. I was commenting on H4L's statement re the players didn't do what asked.

Deila effed up the team, the formation and the subs. Oh, and his much vaunted "system".
Sorry Remy maybe I can across wrong, I wasn't meaning the players just went out and didn't do what was asked purposely. I think that maybe they just never got the new ideas (if there were any) and that led to a total collapse. They certainly looked like a team who had no clue of what they were doing where they were going and how they could change things.

Manager has to take responsibility for that and had, it's how he rectifies it (if he can) from here that will be interesting to see.
I am not Broonies biggest fan but we missed his leadership on the pitch the other night. Mulgrew is not a leader. His shampoo stained boxers the other night proved that.

When it was becoming obvious the "tactics" weren't working that is where you want your captain to lead by example. Tell the manager it isn't working and it needs changed. If the manager continues on the destructive path then he asks for everything he gets.

Did anyone have the balls to say look boss this isn't working and this is why?

Come to think of it we really have no other leaders in the team do we?
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zombieslayer35
1 Aug 2014, 12:54 PM
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remy mcswain
1 Aug 2014, 09:30 AM

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Sorry Remy maybe I can across wrong, I wasn't meaning the players just went out and didn't do what was asked purposely. I think that maybe they just never got the new ideas (if there were any) and that led to a total collapse. They certainly looked like a team who had no clue of what they were doing where they were going and how they could change things.

Manager has to take responsibility for that and had, it's how he rectifies it (if he can) from here that will be interesting to see.
I am not Broonies biggest fan but we missed his leadership on the pitch the other night. Mulgrew is not a leader. His shampoo stained boxers the other night proved that.

When it was becoming obvious the "tactics" weren't working that is where you want your captain to lead by example. Tell the manager it isn't working and it needs changed. If the manager continues on the destructive path then he asks for everything he gets.

Did anyone have the balls to say look boss this isn't working and this is why?

Come to think of it we really have no other leaders in the team do we?
not sure theres any in the dugout either.
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leangreen
1 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
Wee Red
1 Aug 2014, 10:58 AM
Is there a football performance bonus for the scouts, like John Park?
Is there a player profit turnaround bonus for John Park?
Which incentive or combination gets John Park the highest wages.
Similar questions for Peter Lawwell, and the coaching staff.
Are we set up for footballing or financial success, what pays the best rewards?
Unless footballing success reaps the best rewards for all the employees, we are hobbling our progress.
Nobody at a football club should get bonuses solely on financial prudence. For me, footballing success should make up 60-70% of any crucial employee bonuses.
The danger may be that Lawwell and/or Park and the coach/manager rewards are too heavily biased toward financial results.
I'm sure that the accounts, objective as they are, will agree with you when the 2014/15 figures are tallied WR.

The £17m that Steve Clarke would have delivered through CL qualification (cost £1.5m is a net £15.5m revenue gain)

v

The £3m that the Ronny Deila is likely to deliver through an abject EL campaign (cost £0.75m? is a net £2.25m revenue gain)
This is the bit where Lawwell's gambling can come home to roost.

A bit of decent investment in two/three players totalling a max of £6million (which is available no problem despite any utterances from within otherwise) would freshen things up ,instill competition for places and at least get you by Legia (who were mince and there for the taking imo - First twenty minutes when we went at them their defence and keeper were all over the shop) - Get into the CL proper and you are guaranteed £15m - £22m before we get papped out.

At the end of the day irrespective of what happens and if we don't get CL qualification our turnover will be no where near £60m (as previously) he will still get his £1m plus feck knows what in share and share options despite feckin' up.I run my own business if I feck up I carry the can similarly if you work for somebody and don't carry out your work/ mess up you should be getting your baws toed.

As Kevtic said to me years ago "Lawwell is in a comfort zone" and over the years he has built this D of F role around it without having the reins pulled in on him.It was patently obvious why Lennon chucked it and equally it is patently obvious why Deila has got the gig.

We are a club without ambition. :(
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1 Aug 2014, 12:50 PM
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1 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
Wee Red
1 Aug 2014, 10:58 AM
Is there a football performance bonus for the scouts, like John Park?
Is there a player profit turnaround bonus for John Park?
Which incentive or combination gets John Park the highest wages.
Similar questions for Peter Lawwell, and the coaching staff.
Are we set up for footballing or financial success, what pays the best rewards?
Unless footballing success reaps the best rewards for all the employees, we are hobbling our progress.
Nobody at a football club should get bonuses solely on financial prudence. For me, footballing success should make up 60-70% of any crucial employee bonuses.
The danger may be that Lawwell and/or Park and the coach/manager rewards are too heavily biased toward financial results.
I'm sure that the accounts, objective as they are, will agree with you when the 2014/15 figures are tallied WR.

The £17m that Steve Clarke would have delivered through CL qualification (cost £1.5m is a net £15.5m revenue gain)

v

The £3m that the Ronny Deila is likely to deliver through an abject EL campaign (cost £0.75m? is a net £2.25m revenue gain)
Wow, Steve Clarke would have guaranteed us CL qualification, I didn't know that :rubeyes:
Clearly a board member.
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leangreen
1 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
Wee Red
1 Aug 2014, 10:58 AM
Is there a football performance bonus for the scouts, like John Park?
Is there a player profit turnaround bonus for John Park?
Which incentive or combination gets John Park the highest wages.
Similar questions for Peter Lawwell, and the coaching staff.
Are we set up for footballing or financial success, what pays the best rewards?
Unless footballing success reaps the best rewards for all the employees, we are hobbling our progress.
Nobody at a football club should get bonuses solely on financial prudence. For me, footballing success should make up 60-70% of any crucial employee bonuses.
The danger may be that Lawwell and/or Park and the coach/manager rewards are too heavily biased toward financial results.
I'm sure that the accounts, objective as they are, will agree with you when the 2014/15 figures are tallied WR.

The £17m that Steve Clarke would have delivered through CL qualification (cost £1.5m is a net £15.5m revenue gain)

v

The £3m that the Ronny Deila is likely to deliver through an abject EL campaign (cost £0.75m? is a net £2.25m revenue gain)
As much as I'd like to agree but hiring a more known/experienced coach doesn't equal automatic qualification for the group stages.
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1 Aug 2014, 01:06 PM
leangreen
1 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
Wee Red
1 Aug 2014, 10:58 AM
Is there a football performance bonus for the scouts, like John Park?
Is there a player profit turnaround bonus for John Park?
Which incentive or combination gets John Park the highest wages.
Similar questions for Peter Lawwell, and the coaching staff.
Are we set up for footballing or financial success, what pays the best rewards?
Unless footballing success reaps the best rewards for all the employees, we are hobbling our progress.
Nobody at a football club should get bonuses solely on financial prudence. For me, footballing success should make up 60-70% of any crucial employee bonuses.
The danger may be that Lawwell and/or Park and the coach/manager rewards are too heavily biased toward financial results.
I'm sure that the accounts, objective as they are, will agree with you when the 2014/15 figures are tallied WR.

The £17m that Steve Clarke would have delivered through CL qualification (cost £1.5m is a net £15.5m revenue gain)

v

The £3m that the Ronny Deila is likely to deliver through an abject EL campaign (cost £0.75m? is a net £2.25m revenue gain)
As much as I'd like to agree but hiring a more known/experienced coach doesn't equal automatic qualification for the group stages.
Correct, but Steve Clarke is not among the 80% of experienced managers who would not achieve it.
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The board have been asleep at the wheel for the last 18 months - 2 years. Selling players left right and centre with no idea how to replace them. Or letting a couple of good player's contracts just run down.

The only player that we've sold in the past two years that has been replaced is Wilson. And even his replacement looks like he's off. We could get proper hidings off a no-mark Premiership team this year (Hull).

Completely unacceptable.
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The board have been asleep at the wheel for the last 18 months - 2 years. Selling players left right and centre with no idea how to replace them. Or letting a couple of good player's contracts just run down.

The only player that we've sold in the past two years that has been replaced is Wilson. And even his replacement looks like he's off. We could get proper hidings off a no-mark Premiership team this year (Hull).

Completely unacceptable.
VvD was bought to partner Wilson not replace him. We got lucky that VvD was able to adapt to playing left side.
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Tony_bhoy7
1 Aug 2014, 01:25 PM
The board have been asleep at the wheel for the last 18 months - 2 years. Selling players left right and centre with no idea how to replace them. Or letting a couple of good player's contracts just run down.

The only player that we've sold in the past two years that has been replaced is Wilson. And even his replacement looks like he's off. We could get proper hidings off a no-mark Premiership team this year (Hull).

Completely unacceptable.
VvD was bought to partner Wilson not replace him. We got lucky that VvD was able to adapt to playing left side.
If that's true (and I've no reason to say it's not), then they should be shot with balls of their own shampooe.

No wonder Lenny jacked it. Hard to see why any manager worth their salt would take a job under such conditions.

EDIT: Just remembered that Lenny said something aboutwanting VvD and Wilson as a partnership. FFS :boxer:
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Chickens coming home to roost for Lawell et al.

It's no coincidence the results in Europe have been getting worse as the downsizing continues.

Two season ago we qualified for the champions league with which was arguably Lennon's best squad. That year we also competed, made it to the last 16.

Last season we struggled through the qualifiers, made it to the group and took a bit of a doing in the group stages.

Now we are struggling to get into the qualifying play off.

Two years ago we had a settled squad that included the likes of Wanyama, Hooper, Ledley, Brown, Forster, Izaguirre and some more as key players.

Last summer saw the departures of Wanyama and Hooper, two key components of the previous years squad, irrespective if what anyone says. They weren't replaced with the same quality, if at all. Hooper wasn't even replaced until January. In fairness we are only really minus Joe Ledley at this point this year, however he was reliable and could be trusted.

Away from the downsizing the manager has to take his share of the blame which he seems willing to do, square pegs round holes and all that.

A major worry of mine is lets say Forster goes and VVD goes. Forster is already replaced with a freebie, who replaces VVD, another project.

Lawell and co need to see the bigger picture here and realise a wee bit of spending has to be done to accumulate. Very unfair to expect the manager, whoever he is, to continually qualify for the champions league based on the existing model.
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