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| Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,415,022 Views) | |
| daleybhoy | 15 Jul 2014, 05:02 PM Post #61 |
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First-team captain
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It shouldn't need to come directly from season ticket holders. We pay for everything that happens at Celtic, there shouldn't need to be an extra tax on it. Yes they need to do the maths and show what it would cost but that shouldn't have stopped it going ahead. As was pointed out earlier most of the employees on a match day are hired in by agencies, as disgraceful as that also is, so the people affected by the living wage initiative would have been minimal and it would have been people who work at celtic park day in, day out doing essential things in the stadium for eff all money. |
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| kingbhoyd | 15 Jul 2014, 05:48 PM Post #62 |
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not really, its bog standard stuff in a ceo contract, and it's not just for still being there, there will be requirements that need to be met Edited by kingbhoyd, 15 Jul 2014, 05:49 PM.
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| josephledley | 15 Jul 2014, 05:57 PM Post #63 |
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First-team starter
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need to do more in player recruitment especially a striker. cant expect people to pay a £500 season ticket and watch dross on the park
Edited by josephledley, 15 Jul 2014, 05:58 PM.
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| Mrs HF4Ls Biggest fan | 15 Jul 2014, 09:52 PM Post #64 |
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Formerly M74 Extension
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Having watched that mince, time to blow the dust off the cheque book Peter...or we won't be getting through the next two rounds
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| CelticWay1888 | 15 Jul 2014, 09:56 PM Post #65 |
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I'm new. Be gentle.
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looking at the last couple of seasons of getting to the group stages, that team will not beat a Helsingborgs or a Karagandy i expect a couple of signings shortly, this team wont bring in the champions league millions they've gotten used to |
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| Bawman | 15 Jul 2014, 09:58 PM Post #66 |
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Class is permanent.
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When we are, we are and when we're not, we're not. Right now we're not. |
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| Neil Jung | 15 Jul 2014, 10:11 PM Post #67 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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I'm no the only one to say it but the money paid to players, coaches, staff etc goes down while Lawwells pay stays at a rate the equivalent of a top European counterpart. Maybe saving some cash on our CE could go towards the wages of a couple of players who are better than the 'Good Enough' standard. |
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| remy mcswain | 15 Jul 2014, 10:14 PM Post #68 |
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Big in Canada
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Works for me We are downsizing all over the club. I'd prefer he moved on though. |
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| Edmontim | 15 Jul 2014, 10:16 PM Post #69 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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From a business perspective you have to be happy with the board. We are making a profit in an industry where 95% of companies do not make a profit. Any debt we have had in recent times is very manageable as well. However, we are supporters. Celtic should be at least breaking even to provide the supporters with as much entertainment as possible. In addition, they should ensure the squad's quality does not drop - which they have failed at. The manager should be allocated all transfer fees to reinvest in the team. The board/PL (same thing) make no attempt to replace players with similar quality. Forester will be sold and he will be replaced for 1-2m. VVD will be sold and replaced for 1-2m........and so on, and so on. We may unearth the odd gem that makes us a tidy profit but the squad will regress. I honestly don't believe we can rely totally on scouting and a club of our size must bring in the odd experienced/proven/quality player. |
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| jimbhoy0507 | 16 Jul 2014, 01:54 AM Post #70 |
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First team training
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Wish we would take some more risk when signing players without putting the club at risk. We have stokes, Balde. Pukki got rid of bangura murphy bought leigh. Six players paid for and still none good enough at what point do you go out and pay that bit more to help your manager out. |
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| LoveCeltic | 16 Jul 2014, 09:31 AM Post #71 |
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Agreed. |
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| LoveCeltic | 16 Jul 2014, 09:33 AM Post #72 |
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Do football clubs have to make a profit? Could we not be breaking even and supplying the best possible on park "product"? |
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| janvoh | 16 Jul 2014, 02:54 PM Post #73 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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as a business they do a great job. as a football club, id like a little more. |
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| beer_goggler1888 | 16 Jul 2014, 03:13 PM Post #74 |
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Harp Lager ICE cold
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The bean counting , penny pinching is a hindrance. For a little more speculation on the player recruitment , potential longer term rewards would be available readily. Like spending an extra £5-6 million pounds in the budget on a better quality of player after we sell proven performers could gaurantee us Champions league qualification 3-4 years on the pop. And getting fans in the door to see a good player. We'd be in a different stratosphere with 3-4 years Champion league money rather than "gambling" yearly with our entry by selling our better players and bringing in "moneyballers". Culminating in a yearly collection of deadwood bunging up the wagebill. Our spectacular failures in the last decade come down too poor planning squadwise , failing to secure a target because we won't budge on the difference of an Amido Balde/Mo Bangura. It falls at Lawwells door. He's the gambler with a deferred bonus scheme. |
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| LoveCeltic | 16 Jul 2014, 03:27 PM Post #75 |
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I think the attendance shows the overall mood with what the board are putting on the park for us and how much they are meeting the fans standards/treating the fans. |
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| Rieper's Toe | 16 Jul 2014, 03:56 PM Post #76 |
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Can you give examples of players who cost slightly more than balde and who would guarantee qualification ? They don't exist, even going nuts and spending 5/6 million a player on a couple of players would in no way guarantee qualification. Signing multiple players who we can afford to have one out of three do well is the strategy, and it works. If we spend more on signing fees, and more on wages we are less able to tolerate a player not working out because then we are stuck with an expensive mistake for the 3/4 years of their contract. |
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| LoveCeltic | 16 Jul 2014, 04:10 PM Post #77 |
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Instead of signing 3 players their combined fee plus combined wages etc etc could easily get us one player who could walk into the starting 11. This would probably let us sign a player with a proven record rather than gambles with no scoring record like Balde and Pukki, which in turn could guarantee champions league football. Or do you disagree with this? Whats the difference with one expensive flop and the stacks of useless strikers we currently have taking up an equivalent wage and the same amount of transfer fees? |
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| embdysman | 16 Jul 2014, 05:10 PM Post #78 |
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A Believer
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There has been a theory doing the rounds for a few years now that if we only spent £x million on two or three players then we would 'guarantee' qualification for the CL group stages. I call it the 'Steven Fletcher' theory. Utter tosh. Also, someone earlier mentioned that we shouldn't spend so much on all these 'projects', some of whom turn out to be poor. The idea proposed was that we should use the money from the 'failed' projects to buy one good quality player. Do I need to point out that it's impossible to do that? We don't know the 'failed' ones until we try and they fail. With that approach you don't get a VVD or a Wanyama and for all you know your one good quality player could be a Tommy Gravesen or a Juninho. There are no certainties in football transfers. There is no magic solution. Remember that the team who lost 5-0 to Artmedia had Marshall, Balde, Maloney, Lennon, Petrov, Thompson, Hartson, Sutton and McGeady in the team. How much would it cost to buy all of them? We are therefore left with a choice - live within our means, develop the youth setup and buy up-and-coming players with potential OR take a gamble and spend £x million on new players who might improve the squad or might not. It doesn't make any sense. Clubs all over Europe do it every year, so it seems to us to be the norm but it is absolute madness and will eventually end in tears. Ross McCormack for £11m anyone? Right now we are not in a great place in terms of competing with other clubs in Europe. That is largely due to an awful domestic league with minimal TV income. For the time being that is a factor outwith our control and there is no point complaining about it. We just need to get on with supporting our team and being thankful that we will be here for years to come and one day will have a chance to capitalise on running a tight ship just now. P.S. Totally agree that staff should be paid a Living Wage. That decision was appalling. I reckon it would take the wages of one first team player to cover the whole initiative and as someone alluded to earlier - you reap what you sow. |
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| Neil Jung | 16 Jul 2014, 05:46 PM Post #79 |
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The buy low sell high business plan is a good one but its time to adjust it and move on to the next level. Other teams of a similar stature to ours still manage to spend a bit of cash when the right player comes along. We don't. We buy lots of players around about the same value and our squad gets bigger but not necessarily better. When a player does improve and stand out he'll be sold. This is our choice. We choose to carry the bigger squad instead of having a couple less senior players so we can pay better wages to attract better quality.
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| Rieper's Toe | 16 Jul 2014, 05:49 PM Post #80 |
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How do you tell which is the right player , assuming they would want to play in Scotland which is the other major problem we have? |
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