Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Kerrydale Street. We hope you enjoy your visit.

You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use.

If you decide to register, please be aware that we don't accept email addresses from free web accounts like gmail, Hotmail, live.co.uk etc. Sorry, but almost all of the abuse and spam that we get is from free web accounts. The software on the forum will automatically block any requests using a free email account.

Upon Registration, you will be given access to all our varied Forums, and you will be expected to comply with our fairly stringent Rules and Regulations. Meantime, enjoy your visit

If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,626 Views)
He Cometh
First name on the team-sheet
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Belgrano
10 Jun 2016, 06:40 PM
No matter what way you look at it - the club's complete silence and inactivity over the Resolution 12 issue - leaving the fans to fight the battle in the press and with UEFA, is disgraceful.

Hopefully Desmond's putting of Lawwell in his place over the managers position will also be matched by a sudden engagement on the Resolution 12, rather than the lip-service and deflection tactics the Lawwell-led board has adopted over the past few years, hoping desperately that the issue will just 'go away'.
How do you define Celtic's alleged 'inactivity'?

Do you include Celtic FC PLC officially contacting UEFA over this as part of Celtics 'inactivity'?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
pedrok
Member Avatar
Considering retirement
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Quiet Assasin
10 Jun 2016, 08:39 PM
tenerifetim
10 Jun 2016, 06:18 PM
Quiet Assasin
10 Jun 2016, 05:52 PM
CQN's wording on this is quite unambiguous. They say no French version ever existed.

:suspect:
That's not stricly true , there was a French version but not submitted as the final copy to be published - how did the Grundian get hold of it ?

https://twitter.com/CQNMagazine/status/741305393465466880
Quote:
 
This was fanciful, but not worthy of attention, because as you now know, there was never a French translation of the advert.

You can imagine my utter astonishment, therefore, that The Guardian claimed they didn’t run the advert because it was submitted to them in French, despite, as surely the world now knows, no French language version of the advert ever existing!


That's pretty unambiguous. There was never a French version. They later post a French version on their Twitter.

That doesn't make them look wholly credible.
It wasn't a French version though. It was a mock up, with nonsense written in French, in order to provide an idea of space and how it would look in the area provided. I'm no graphic designer, but this is something that is done regular, I have seen the nonsense in Latin, to allow the graphics to fit the printing area.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
smiddybar
Occasional Substitute
[ *  *  *  * ]
Belgrano
10 Jun 2016, 06:40 PM
No matter what way you look at it - the club's complete silence and inactivity over the Resolution 12 issue - leaving the fans to fight the battle in the press and with UEFA, is disgraceful.

Hopefully Desmond's putting of Lawwell in his place over the managers position will also be matched by a sudden engagement on the Resolution 12, rather than the lip-service and deflection tactics the Lawwell-led board has adopted over the past few years, hoping desperately that the issue will just 'go away'.
If Celtic are indeed sitting on the fence on this major issue, then it will be very unlikely that EUFA will want to take it any further without a supporting input from the club itself.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
He Cometh
First name on the team-sheet
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
smiddybar
10 Jun 2016, 10:00 PM
Belgrano
10 Jun 2016, 06:40 PM
No matter what way you look at it - the club's complete silence and inactivity over the Resolution 12 issue - leaving the fans to fight the battle in the press and with UEFA, is disgraceful.

Hopefully Desmond's putting of Lawwell in his place over the managers position will also be matched by a sudden engagement on the Resolution 12, rather than the lip-service and deflection tactics the Lawwell-led board has adopted over the past few years, hoping desperately that the issue will just 'go away'.
If Celtic are indeed sitting on the fence on this major issue, then it will be very unlikely that EUFA will want to take it any further without a supporting input from the club itself.
The club have already contacted UEFA officially to raise their concerns.

It's now out of the clubs hands and down to UEFA.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
paulfg42
Member Avatar
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
fatboab
10 Jun 2016, 06:38 PM
paulfg42
10 Jun 2016, 06:33 PM
pedrok
10 Jun 2016, 05:52 PM
Somebody effed up somewhere along the line. There's no reason for the Guardian to claim that the ad was in French if it wasn't. It just creates an unnecessary furore.

Why would the Guardian not print an advert just because it was written in French?
No reason, apart from the fact there would be little point. The Guardian say it was an editorial decision (I think) so why even mention the French thing?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
randombloke
Member Avatar
Off treasure hunting in Holland
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
fatboab
10 Jun 2016, 06:38 PM
paulfg42
10 Jun 2016, 06:33 PM
pedrok
10 Jun 2016, 05:52 PM
Somebody effed up somewhere along the line. There's no reason for the Guardian to claim that the ad was in French if it wasn't. It just creates an unnecessary furore.

Why would the Guardian not print an advert just because it was written in French?
Don't think he was saying it was a reason for rejecting....he was citing it as a reason why it wasn't immediately rejected - i.e. there was a delay getting it translated before it could be reviewed for acceptability.

Sounds like a red herring to me any way as I can't think of a single reason why they would send the article in French to a UK newspaper :lol:

But, I still don't necessarily see conspiracies here. As Murphio said a few pages back the advertising and/or legal departments probably just thought it wasn't worth the hassle of getting dragged in to (what they perceive as) a petty squabble between Celtic and Rangers fans. And it's totally plausible that it was initially accepted by somebody who didn't know or care what it was all about only to be later spiked by someone else who said "have you seen the mental scheidt this lot fills the comment pages with every time one of them even gets a mention in an article? Send the cheque back and just tell them no!"
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
davesterjc
Member Avatar
Got the vision.......
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Is it really that important if there was,wasn't or is a french version?! Is that the point?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Wee Ed KTF
Considering retirement
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
He Cometh
10 Jun 2016, 10:09 PM
smiddybar
10 Jun 2016, 10:00 PM
Belgrano
10 Jun 2016, 06:40 PM
No matter what way you look at it - the club's complete silence and inactivity over the Resolution 12 issue - leaving the fans to fight the battle in the press and with UEFA, is disgraceful.

Hopefully Desmond's putting of Lawwell in his place over the managers position will also be matched by a sudden engagement on the Resolution 12, rather than the lip-service and deflection tactics the Lawwell-led board has adopted over the past few years, hoping desperately that the issue will just 'go away'.
If Celtic are indeed sitting on the fence on this major issue, then it will be very unlikely that EUFA will want to take it any further without a supporting input from the club itself.
The club have already contacted UEFA officially to raise their concerns.

It's now out of the clubs hands and down to UEFA.
Is it a definite that Celtic "have already contacted UEFA officially to raise their concerns"?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Wee Ed KTF
Considering retirement
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
davesterjc
10 Jun 2016, 11:06 PM
Is it really that important if there was,wasn't or is a french version?! Is that the point?
Zombies (Jabba?) claimed that CQN sent an English version of the ad to the Swiss paper and a French version to The Guardian

This was dismissed as zombie lunacy

The Guardian claimed that the Res 12 advert was rejected after it had been translated from French, because it was submitted to them in French

CQN rejected that claim, saying categorically that there was no French version of the advert

Greenslade of The Guardian repeated the paper's excuse, later providing what he claimed was evidence of the French version

CQN then admitted there was some sort of mock-up of the advert in French

Confusing, isn't it?

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
rightsaidted
First-team starter
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Mr Greenslade claimed that the advert was in French and that he could prove it. He then produced the headline of the article in French but no actual article. The reason he couldn't produce it was because it was in gobbledygook. He failed to inform his readers of this and left them with the impression that a full article in French had been submitted for publication. It hadn't been.
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
rightsaidted
First-team starter
[ *  *  *  *  * ]
Looks like Alex Thompson disagrees with the 'non-conspiracy' theorists. He has tweeted insinuating that the Guardian are hiding something. (Can't provide the tweet, I'm not on Twitter. But a little birdie told me.)
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
tenerifetim
Member Avatar
Considering retirement
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
rightsaidted
11 Jun 2016, 08:12 AM
Looks like Alex Thompson disagrees with the 'non-conspiracy' theorists. He has tweeted insinuating that the Guardian are hiding something. (Can't provide the tweet, I'm not on Twitter. But a little birdie told me.)
Well Alex has definitely been poking around and getting runaround too ! :thumbsup:

alex thomson ‏@alextomo 9h9 hours ago

Why is The Guardian refusing to tell @Channel4News what rules the Scottish football advert broke? If there is no issue why not tell me?

alex thomson ‏@alextomo Jun 9

Sounding more like a govt press office than the Guardian, the paper will not explain further why they pulled the advert.

:cartuja:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Busa Bhoy
Member Avatar
First-team captain
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
could it be that this would open a wider can of worms not just effecting celtic and the sfa. england perhaps???
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
john67
Member Avatar
Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
If the advert came in as the guardian say in French surely they would have asked for more than the £5k just to interpret into to English. Then when they refused to print and CQN asked for their money back surely they were within their rights to deduct translation fees
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
tenerifetim
Member Avatar
Considering retirement
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
john67
11 Jun 2016, 08:47 AM
If the advert came in as the guardian say in French surely they would have asked for more than the £5k just to interpret into to English. Then when they refused to print and CQN asked for their money back surely they were within their rights to deduct translation fees
Translations cost as little as £10 a page , but I would imagine a couple of hundred quid would be a maximum - if it was ever submitted ! :thumbsup:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
cautious dave
Member Avatar
First name on the team-sheet
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
john67
11 Jun 2016, 08:47 AM
If the advert came in as the guardian say in French surely they would have asked for more than the £5k just to interpret into to English. Then when they refused to print and CQN asked for their money back surely they were within their rights to deduct translation fees
Possible but not very feasible.
The Guardian would surely be able to find someone working at their paper who could read French and translate within minutes with no translation fee's necessary. "Hey Tom you're fluent in French, be a good chap and tell us what this stuff that some sweaty sent us."

It was gobbledygook to demonstrate the layout of the ad hence no time or cost for translation required. I think the Guardian knew this all along and looking for an out.

This is definitely one for the Media Thread.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
lisbonlion10
Member Avatar
Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
john67
11 Jun 2016, 08:47 AM
If the advert came in as the guardian say in French surely they would have asked for more than the £5k just to interpret into to English. Then when they refused to print and CQN asked for their money back surely they were within their rights to deduct translation fees
No advertising person would get an ad in French then translate it without telling the advertiser, it's utter nonsense - they would go back to the advertiser and say 'we need this in English'. The 'French' copy stuff is bizarre, why would the Guardian mock up an advert in French, there's plenty 'jabber' copy as it's called in Quark Xpress at least, to do that. Were they instructed to? CQN says they never did a French version at all. So someone is lying somewhere.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Lubo The Magician
Member Avatar
The Devil's right hand...
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Busa Bhoy
11 Jun 2016, 08:28 AM
could it be that this would open a wider can of worms not just effecting celtic and the sfa. england perhaps???
Very unlikely, it would be the equivalent of saying The Guardian would not publish a story about a Russian Olympic athlete doping for fear it would result English athletes being targeted/tested
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Lobey Dosser
Member Avatar
Considering retirement
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Busa Bhoy
11 Jun 2016, 08:28 AM
could it be that this would open a wider can of worms not just effecting celtic and the sfa. england perhaps???
If so you would expect that bastion of truth and liberty the Grauniad to expose the detail. No?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
noelab
Club Captain
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
lisbonlion10
11 Jun 2016, 09:45 AM
john67
11 Jun 2016, 08:47 AM
If the advert came in as the guardian say in French surely they would have asked for more than the £5k just to interpret into to English. Then when they refused to print and CQN asked for their money back surely they were within their rights to deduct translation fees
No advertising person would get an ad in French then translate it without telling the advertiser, it's utter nonsense - they would go back to the advertiser and say 'we need this in English'. The 'French' copy stuff is bizarre, why would the Guardian mock up an advert in French, there's plenty 'jabber' copy as it's called in Quark Xpress at least, to do that. Were they instructed to? CQN says they never did a French version at all. So someone is lying somewhere.
CQN blogged yesterday that the Guardian confirmed receiving the ad in English.

This translation stuff is all bluff anyway. Fact is that someone is afraid of loosing the Hun pound.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
DealsFor.me - The best sales, coupons, and discounts for you
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Celtic Football Club Discussion Forum · Next Topic »
Add Reply