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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,987 Views)
zombieslayer35
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People need to understand that we are not stocking away huge piles of money. Everything is accounted for in the accounts.

Whether we like it or not the club is being run properly as a business. The board are unwilling to splash the cash that may leave us in debt. Personally I don't think a couple of better quality players is going to cause us trouble. They may benefit us in the long run, certainly on the park and possible off it to. The board are not willing to take that risk just now.

Is this model going to continue working though? I see a lot of guys on here, no doubt it hurts them like hell, saying they are chucking it or going to pick and choose their games. Who can blame them? Personally I don't have a season ticket due to finances but still go to a fair few games. If it continues like this I won't be going either. Last season was dross. Some disagree but it was a chore at times going to games. Couple of guys in my work are the same. They are considering picking and choosing. If that evens works its way through a fraction of the support then allied to the fans we are down it isn't going to make good financial readings. Is that when the board will sit up and take notice.

No one is saying go out and spend £7-8M on a player. We are realistic but surely £4/5M is not beyond the realms of possibility? Buy a few better quality players one season and tell the manager this is your budget for next season as well. Be in a better position to qualify for the pot of gold CL.

Wishful thinking I know but something now has to change. We are at a crossroads and the direction we are heading doesn't look good :(
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thenakattack
31 Jul 2014, 11:08 PM
Stephane_Mahe
31 Jul 2014, 08:18 PM
thenakattack
31 Jul 2014, 08:04 PM
Name calling?

Oh you mean numpty? Are you really gonna call that name calling?

And you probably read the rest, realised I was right and tried to use the 'name calling' as a convenient excuse.

Nice try, though.
Read it there so as not to upset you

Load of utter nonsense, away and hit like on a facebook pic to show that you hate cancer
Cheers.

And thanks for your reasoned response to the points I made. Oh wait, there wasn't one, just some offensive comment. And you got upset about me calling you a numpty. Amazing.

And as for that last comment, if I thought you were clever enough to understand, I'd explain to you how offensive it could be, not necessarily to me, but to many others. I doubt you are, though - if you were, you wouldn't have posted it, so I won't waste my time.

Well done, though.
Edited by Stephane_Mahe, 1 Aug 2014, 08:39 AM.
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How about no?
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murphio
1 Aug 2014, 02:11 AM
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1 Aug 2014, 01:21 AM
murphio
1 Aug 2014, 01:07 AM

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Player sales: ~£49 million
European prize money: ~£36 million

Player purchases: ~£29 million
Those figures aren't 'telling' enough? :twitch:

What about these?

http://www.celticfc.net/news/5398?item=5398

Profits up, operational costs down.

Quality of team is on a continual spiral.
WTF are fans supposed to think?

The money went on the wi-fi, or the lovely revamp the council paid for?

Jesus Christ, anyone failing to question the board must enjoy being thoroughly shafted whilst wearing a little woolen blindfold. :brickwall:
You can't just take two figures and post them in isolation and completely without context. They are absolutely meaningless. Celtic's income and expenditure is set out in black and white in the accounts to the last penny. There is no missing money - it has all been spent. Now regardless of whether you think it has been spent correctly there is no dark figures in the background trousering cash. The very suggestion is ludicrous. Are Celtic risk adverse? Absolutely? Are our resources being used correctly? Highly questionable? Is someone stealing - absolutely not.
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paulfg42
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I'd like to know why teams with much smaller budgets than ours can embarrass us in terms of skill, organisation and commitment.
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zombieslayer35
1 Aug 2014, 08:23 AM
If it continues like this I won't be going either. Last season was dross. Some disagree but it was a chore at times going to games. Couple of guys in my work are the same. They are considering picking and choosing. If that evens works its way through a fraction of the support then allied to the fans we are down it isn't going to make good financial readings. Is that when the board will sit up and take notice.
Down average of 10,816 in home league attendance from five years ago. And 12,536 fewer season books in that time as well. Scary.
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paulfg42
1 Aug 2014, 08:52 AM
I'd like to know why teams with much smaller budgets than ours can embarrass us in terms of skill, organisation and commitment.
Coaching, especially of tactically intelligent players. I was hoping Ronny would help sort this out some but who knows.
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Dewey
1 Aug 2014, 08:55 AM
zombieslayer35
1 Aug 2014, 08:23 AM
If it continues like this I won't be going either. Last season was dross. Some disagree but it was a chore at times going to games. Couple of guys in my work are the same. They are considering picking and choosing. If that evens works its way through a fraction of the support then allied to the fans we are down it isn't going to make good financial readings. Is that when the board will sit up and take notice.
Down average of 10,816 in home league attendance from five years ago. And 12,536 fewer season books in that time as well. Scary.
Economic collapse over the last five years surely has something to do with it no?
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Antoninho
1 Aug 2014, 08:58 AM
Dewey
1 Aug 2014, 08:55 AM
zombieslayer35
1 Aug 2014, 08:23 AM
If it continues like this I won't be going either. Last season was dross. Some disagree but it was a chore at times going to games. Couple of guys in my work are the same. They are considering picking and choosing. If that evens works its way through a fraction of the support then allied to the fans we are down it isn't going to make good financial readings. Is that when the board will sit up and take notice.
Down average of 10,816 in home league attendance from five years ago. And 12,536 fewer season books in that time as well. Scary.
Economic collapse over the last five years surely has something to do with it no?
:thumbsup: Certainly will be a factor mate but I think a fair few are picking and choosing now. Quite frankly the prices that are charged in this country are a disgrace but that's another story.
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thenakattack
1 Aug 2014, 08:57 AM
paulfg42
1 Aug 2014, 08:52 AM
I'd like to know why teams with much smaller budgets than ours can embarrass us in terms of skill, organisation and commitment.
Coaching, especially of tactically intelligent players. I was hoping Ronny would help sort this out some but who knows.
You'd have to hope he gets longer from the fans than the time he's had so far. His comment that the players didn't do what was asked yet he takes responsibility is clear to me that he's trying to out new coaching ideas over to them but they've just not got it when they took to the field.
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thenakattack
1 Aug 2014, 08:57 AM
paulfg42
1 Aug 2014, 08:52 AM
I'd like to know why teams with much smaller budgets than ours can embarrass us in terms of skill, organisation and commitment.
Coaching, especially of tactically intelligent players. I was hoping Ronny would help sort this out some but who knows.
You'd have to hope he gets longer from the fans than the time he's had so far. His comment that the players didn't do what was asked yet he takes responsibility is clear to me that he's trying to out new coaching ideas over to them but they've just not got it when they took to the field.
I'd suggest that is pish.
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"Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple." This famous quote by Bill Shankly sums it up for me. All this talk about new coaching methods and players not following instructions is way overblown. Just buy better players, play them in their proper position and let them get on with it.
Edited by One sharp cookie, 1 Aug 2014, 09:09 AM.
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remy mcswain
1 Aug 2014, 09:01 AM
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thenakattack
1 Aug 2014, 08:57 AM

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You'd have to hope he gets longer from the fans than the time he's had so far. His comment that the players didn't do what was asked yet he takes responsibility is clear to me that he's trying to out new coaching ideas over to them but they've just not got it when they took to the field.
I'd suggest that is pish.
Time will tell on that one but the other night he got so much wrong it and then failed to remedy it.
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The financial results below , from the June 2013 accounts, show the club is not reducing expenses. It also shows that we are more than capable of making large losses as well as large profits depending on player sales and CL Group participation.

The June 2014 accounts will be out in the next 4 weeks, they are also likely to show a healthy profit. The plc would be wise to delay publishing these accounts until we have spent some money in the transfer market, and I think they will.

Financial Highlights
Group Revenue increased by 47.7% to £75.82m (2012: £51.34m)
Operating expenses increased by 15.2% to £62.71m (2012: £54.44m)
Investment in football personnel of £9.66m (2012: £5.24m)
Year end net cash at bank £3.76m (2012: £2.77m net bank debt)
Exceptional costs of £1.83m (2012: £0.54m) Profit before tax £9.74m (2012: £7.37m loss)
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1 Aug 2014, 08:52 AM
I'd like to know why teams with much smaller budgets than ours can embarrass us in terms of skill, organisation and commitment.
We think Charlie Mulgrew is a midfielder / footballer.
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1 Aug 2014, 09:08 AM
"Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple." This famous quote by Bill Shankly sums it up for me. All this talk about new coaching methods and players not following instructions is way overblown. Just buy better players, play them in their proper position and let them get on with it.
That's a pretty dated outlook. Football has moved on and even the most expansive and eye-catching teams have a real ethos and tactical plan.
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1 Aug 2014, 09:11 AM
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I'd suggest that is pish.
Time will tell on that one but the other night he got so much wrong it and then failed to remedy it.
Agreed. I was commenting on H4L's statement re the players didn't do what asked.

Deila effed up the team, the formation and the subs. Oh, and his much vaunted "system".
Edited by remy mcswain, 1 Aug 2014, 09:30 AM.
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thenakattack
1 Aug 2014, 08:57 AM
paulfg42
1 Aug 2014, 08:52 AM
I'd like to know why teams with much smaller budgets than ours can embarrass us in terms of skill, organisation and commitment.
Coaching, especially of tactically intelligent players. I was hoping Ronny would help sort this out some but who knows.
Probably best to give him more than 3 competitive games before judging I would think...
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thenakattack
1 Aug 2014, 08:57 AM
paulfg42
1 Aug 2014, 08:52 AM
I'd like to know why teams with much smaller budgets than ours can embarrass us in terms of skill, organisation and commitment.
Coaching, especially of tactically intelligent players. I was hoping Ronny would help sort this out some but who knows.
Probably best to give him more than 3 competitive games before judging I would think...
There's a few champing at the bit to be first to demand his sacking, thinking of the potential internets glory that lies ahead if he does get punted. I WAS FIRST, I WAS FIRST!!! TELT YEEZZ!!!
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1 Aug 2014, 09:14 AM
The financial results below , from the June 2013 accounts, show the club is not reducing expenses. It also shows that we are more than capable of making large losses as well as large profits depending on player sales and CL Group participation.

The June 2014 accounts will be out in the next 4 weeks, they are also likely to show a healthy profit. The plc would be wise to delay publishing these accounts until we have spent some money in the transfer market, and I think they will.

Financial Highlights
Group Revenue increased by 47.7% to £75.82m (2012: £51.34m)
Operating expenses increased by 15.2% to £62.71m (2012: £54.44m)
Investment in football personnel of £9.66m (2012: £5.24m)
Year end net cash at bank £3.76m (2012: £2.77m net bank debt)
Exceptional costs of £1.83m (2012: £0.54m) Profit before tax £9.74m (2012: £7.37m loss)
The plc would be wise to feck off to other jobs imo.

They have turned us into a shampoo football team with a healthy balance shampoo. The margins should be closer
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1 Aug 2014, 09:29 AM
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1 Aug 2014, 09:08 AM
"Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple." This famous quote by Bill Shankly sums it up for me. All this talk about new coaching methods and players not following instructions is way overblown. Just buy better players, play them in their proper position and let them get on with it.
That's a pretty dated outlook. Football has moved on and even the most expansive and eye-catching teams have a real ethos and tactical plan.
Of course tactics are important but people get too worked up over systems. Throughout the World Cup I kept hearing folk rave about Van Gaal's amazing system and tactical acumen but the reality is that the Dutch failed to score in four hours of football over the quarter and semi-finals. Sometimes football really can be a simple game.
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