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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,635 Views)
Lobey Dosser
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That would be nice, we can always live in hope.
Unless, of course, their intervention is to ban SPFL clubs from European competition
Why would that be an appropriate punishment ?
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Unless, of course, their intervention is to ban SPFL clubs from European competition
Why would that be an appropriate punishment ?
it's uefa we're talking about
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Unless, of course, their intervention is to ban SPFL clubs from European competition
Why would that be an appropriate punishment ?
It's the SFA who have failed to apply UEFA rules so the punishment would be for the Association as a whole
It's a shampooe state of affairs but it's the way UEFA work
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Why would that be an appropriate punishment ?
It's the SFA who have failed to apply UEFA rules so the punishment would be for the Association as a whole
It's a shampooe state of affairs but it's the way UEFA work
The SFA carried out it's declared process, in line with UEFA regs, Regan confirmed this last week . If a single club deliberately lied to them about its financial situation and gained an advantage as a result of those lies, how is the SFA culpable?
In that case why would the SFA and all the other clubs be guilty of anything ?

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It's the SFA who have failed to apply UEFA rules so the punishment would be for the Association as a whole
It's a shampooe state of affairs but it's the way UEFA work
The SFA carried out it's declared process, in line with UEFA regs, Regan confirmed this last week . If a single club deliberately lied to them about its financial situation and gained an advantage as a result of those lies, how is the SFA culpable?
In that case why would the SFA and all the other clubs be guilty of anything ?

Clubs had to prove* they didn't owe any tax. Rangers couldn't do that, yet still got the licence.


* I'm guessing proof would be in the form of a letter from HMRC saying there was nothing outstanding, but I thats me just guessing
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The SFA carried out it's declared process, in line with UEFA regs, Regan confirmed this last week . If a single club deliberately lied to them about its financial situation and gained an advantage as a result of those lies, how is the SFA culpable?
In that case why would the SFA and all the other clubs be guilty of anything ?

Clubs had to prove* they didn't owe any tax. Rangers couldn't do that, yet still got the licence.


* I'm guessing proof would be in the form of a letter from HMRC saying there was nothing outstanding, but I thats me just guessing
Do you actually have to prove it? Most regulators work on a self declaration system. It's up to the person making the declaration to tell the truth. The SFA can't open up Rangers or anyway else's books to get into what they owe to who. I'm guessing if the shampoo hits the fan the SFA would be quick to chuck the shame under the nearest bus going.
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Clubs had to prove* they didn't owe any tax. Rangers couldn't do that, yet still got the licence.


* I'm guessing proof would be in the form of a letter from HMRC saying there was nothing outstanding, but I thats me just guessing
Do you actually have to prove it? Most regulators work on a self declaration system. It's up to the person making the declaration to tell the truth. The SFA can't open up Rangers or anyway else's books to get into what they owe to who. I'm guessing if the shampoo hits the fan the SFA would be quick to chuck the shame under the nearest bus going.
Agreed
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Clubs had to prove* they didn't owe any tax. Rangers couldn't do that, yet still got the licence.


* I'm guessing proof would be in the form of a letter from HMRC saying there was nothing outstanding, but I thats me just guessing
Do you actually have to prove it? Most regulators work on a self declaration system. It's up to the person making the declaration to tell the truth. The SFA can't open up Rangers or anyway else's books to get into what they owe to who. I'm guessing if the shampoo hits the fan the SFA would be quick to chuck the shame under the nearest bus going.
Yep, SFA pretty much threw Rangers under a bus last week. But they were well able to do so due to the nature of the self-declaration system.

The problem for Sevco is that some responsible for corporate governance of Rangers at the time are now running Sevco. That they were allowed to is a bigger failing of the SFA imo.
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It's the SFA who have failed to apply UEFA rules so the punishment would be for the Association as a whole
It's a shampooe state of affairs but it's the way UEFA work
The SFA carried out it's declared process, in line with UEFA regs, Regan confirmed this last week . If a single club deliberately lied to them about its financial situation and gained an advantage as a result of those lies, how is the SFA culpable?
In that case why would the SFA and all the other clubs be guilty of anything ?

But how can you punish a club (or, sorry company) that is now in liquidation?
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The SFA carried out it's declared process, in line with UEFA regs, Regan confirmed this last week . If a single club deliberately lied to them about its financial situation and gained an advantage as a result of those lies, how is the SFA culpable?
In that case why would the SFA and all the other clubs be guilty of anything ?

But how can you punish a club (or, sorry company) that is now in liquidation?
I couldn't possibly comment :lol: :lol:
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The SFA carried out it's declared process, in line with UEFA regs, Regan confirmed this last week . If a single club deliberately lied to them about its financial situation and gained an advantage as a result of those lies, how is the SFA culpable?
In that case why would the SFA and all the other clubs be guilty of anything ?

But how can you punish a club (or, sorry company) that is now in liquidation?
Did the bastard incarnation not agree to take on all football debts and liabilities?
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But how can you punish a club (or, sorry company) that is now in liquidation?
Did the bastard incarnation not agree to take on all football debts and liabilities?
See above post. :lol: :lol:
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I wouldn’t say I was atoll an expert on the issue of resolution 12, but when the former Rangers entered into the champion’s league in the year 2011, they were NOT in debt to anyone, and there is no record in any accountancy level to show otherwise.

Yes they ran out of money due to not qualifying for the champion’s league proper, but that was there downfall, nothing else and this will be proven.

Someone is losing a lot of money pushing this to its limit and I believe there are people jumping on the bandwagon to the strength on thinking someone knows what they are talking about.

The bigger issue in my humble opinion is that The Rangers are a new club who think they can slip back in where their old club left off and expect to continue on with the same traits.

I would also like to put it out there that anyone who turns up for the next media driven old firm game is condoning those traits, we have to be wise to tackle this cancer, we have played at castle grey scull before in front of venom and it did not make a difference. Don’t let The Ranger thinking it is over and that they are back, don’t give them a single penny and let’s see the message that sends out.

I mean, seriously do we really have people out there who call themselves Celtic supporters who are willing to hand over there hard earned cash to such a avaricious organisation.
Res 12 is small potatoes compared to the real problem.

Castle Greyskull is where He-Man lived. Snake Mountain is where Skeletor lived.

The amount of supporters who make a carrot of this is woeful. :comp: :comp:

:)
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Did the bastard incarnation not agree to take on all football debts and liabilities?
See above post. :lol: :lol:
Which one :ponder:
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I wouldn’t say I was atoll an expert on the issue of resolution 12, but when the former Rangers entered into the champion’s league in the year 2011, they were NOT in debt to anyone, and there is no record in any accountancy level to show otherwise.

Yes they ran out of money due to not qualifying for the champion’s league proper, but that was there downfall, nothing else and this will be proven.

Someone is losing a lot of money pushing this to its limit and I believe there are people jumping on the bandwagon to the strength on thinking someone knows what they are talking about.

The bigger issue in my humble opinion is that The Rangers are a new club who think they can slip back in where their old club left off and expect to continue on with the same traits.

I would also like to put it out there that anyone who turns up for the next media driven old firm game is condoning those traits, we have to be wise to tackle this cancer, we have played at castle grey scull before in front of venom and it did not make a difference. Don’t let The Ranger thinking it is over and that they are back, don’t give them a single penny and let’s see the message that sends out.

I mean, seriously do we really have people out there who call themselves Celtic supporters who are willing to hand over there hard earned cash to such a avaricious organisation.
Res 12 is small potatoes compared to the real problem.

Castle Greyskull is where He-Man lived. Snake Mountain is where Skeletor lived.

The amount of supporters who make a carrot of this is woeful. :comp: :comp:

:)
You do get that its from a very early Only an Excuse sketch don't you? Before the TV shows, when they just did wee tapes for the radio

Rangers were from Castle Greyskull because they were "the GRANDmasters of the Universe"

It's a play on words slagging the Huns for being masons
Edited by the-gaffer606, 7 Jun 2016, 07:38 PM.
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Clubs had to prove* they didn't owe any tax. Rangers couldn't do that, yet still got the licence.


* I'm guessing proof would be in the form of a letter from HMRC saying there was nothing outstanding, but I thats me just guessing
Do you actually have to prove it? Most regulators work on a self declaration system. It's up to the person making the declaration to tell the truth. The SFA can't open up Rangers or anyway else's books to get into what they owe to who. I'm guessing if the shampoo hits the fan the SFA would be quick to chuck the shame under the nearest bus going.
That's precisely how regulation usually works.

I'm pretty sure there is an obligation on clubs to do something like "act in the utmost good faith"

So the SFA shouldn't be criticised if they were misled by Rangers.

Where they could and should be criticised would be if they came across strong evidence that they had been misled and failed to act upon it.

And if they then compounded that by declaring that two members of the Board that misled them were fit and proper then they deserve everything that's coming to them.

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6 Jun 2016, 12:18 AM
I wouldn’t say I was atoll an expert on the issue of resolution 12, but when the former Rangers entered into the champion’s league in the year 2011, they were NOT in debt to anyone, and there is no record in any accountancy level to show otherwise.

Yes they ran out of money due to not qualifying for the champion’s league proper, but that was there downfall, nothing else and this will be proven.

Someone is losing a lot of money pushing this to its limit and I believe there are people jumping on the bandwagon to the strength on thinking someone knows what they are talking about.

The bigger issue in my humble opinion is that The Rangers are a new club who think they can slip back in where their old club left off and expect to continue on with the same traits.

I would also like to put it out there that anyone who turns up for the next media driven old firm game is condoning those traits, we have to be wise to tackle this cancer, we have played at castle grey scull before in front of venom and it did not make a difference. Don’t let The Ranger thinking it is over and that they are back, don’t give them a single penny and let’s see the message that sends out.

I mean, seriously do we really have people out there who call themselves Celtic supporters who are willing to hand over there hard earned cash to such a avaricious organisation.
Res 12 is small potatoes compared to the real problem.

Castle Greyskull is where He-Man lived. Snake Mountain is where Skeletor lived.

The amount of supporters who make a carrot of this is woeful. :comp: :comp:

:)
You do get that its from a very early Only an Excuse sketch don't you? Before the TV shows, when they just did wee tapes for the radio

Rangers were from Castle Greyskull because they were "the GRANDmasters of the Universe"

It's a play on words slagging the Huns for being masons
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Cqn saying club will put out statement this week re r12
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Cqn saying club will put out statement this week re r12
I can see them not bothering, after all everybody has bought season books now!
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Cqn saying club will put out statement this week re r12
I can see them not bothering, after all everybody has bought season books now!
Isn't Paul a "good friend" of the Board (Lawwell)

I doubt very much CQN would say there will be a statement unless the Board have told him so directly.
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