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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,636 Views)
Lobey Dosser
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Brian McNally þ@McNallyMirror 2m2 minutes ago

Sense of anticipation builds over #Celtic board's expected response to Res.12 issue.Hearing positive noises but some fans remain suspicious.


I've always found McNally to be pretty reliable, guess we'll have to wait and see.
Not that I'm questioning McNally on this, however the thing that gives me pause to question is that I don't believe Dermot Desmond would tolerate any other of his businesses being cheated like his Celtic one was.

DD is the man who guides the board and the he club in terms of on and off field direction and business attitude. It's also the approach he takes in other parts of his business empire.

Look at this reaction to the proposed merger between Ladbrokes (where DD had a shareholding ) and Coral which he refereed to as "the wrong deal” for the company.

What the hell was the SFA permitted cheating by dead co and sevco if it wasn't the wrong deal for Celtic and DD's shareholding in Celtic?

His silence on this, given his apparent reaction to hun's being hun's at the Semi Final and it's influence on DD's pushing for Brendan Rodgers, is baffling.

Why would he push the boat out when it comes to who the manager of the club is but then be supinely silent when it comes to how the SFA allows corruption and cheating to be carried out.
Skeletons in someone's cupboard perhaps ?
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Stop avoiding what? I don't fancy reading a 300 and odd page thread just to get an answer to a simple yes or no question.
No.
Happy now?
Any chance you can explain UK Company Law and Tax law in 4 bullet points without any words over 2 syllables? Will save me doing anything. Thx xoxo

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Brian McNally þ@McNallyMirror 2m2 minutes ago

Sense of anticipation builds over #Celtic board's expected response to Res.12 issue.Hearing positive noises but some fans remain suspicious.


I've always found McNally to be pretty reliable, guess we'll have to wait and see.
Not that I'm questioning McNally on this, however the thing that gives me pause to question is that I don't believe Dermot Desmond would tolerate any other of his businesses being cheated like his Celtic one was.

DD is the man who guides the board and the he club in terms of on and off field direction and business attitude. It's also the approach he takes in other parts of his business empire.

Look at this reaction to the proposed merger between Ladbrokes (where DD had a shareholding ) and Coral which he refereed to as "the wrong deal” for the company.

What the hell was the SFA permitted cheating by dead co and sevco if it wasn't the wrong deal for Celtic and DD's shareholding in Celtic?

His silence on this, given his apparent reaction to hun's being hun's at the Semi Final and it's influence on DD's pushing for Brendan Rodgers, is baffling.

Why would he push the boat out when it comes to who the manager of the club is but then be supinely silent when it comes to how the SFA allows corruption and cheating to be carried out.
Skeletons in someone's cupboard perhaps ?
Football is a weird business compared to others in that you need your rivals in order for your business to exist. Obviously there needs to be a pragmatism in dealing with stuff like this, and for many fans DD / The club have fallen on the wrong side of the line. He'll maybe regard not killing them completely but grinding them to a pulp now that they're 'back' is aceptable. If it happens, many fans will be quite happy watching them struggle in our wake, potentially forever unless a sugar daddy comes calling. And they don't chase him away of course.
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Skeletons in someone's cupboard perhaps ?
Football is a weird business compared to others in that you need your rivals in order for your business to exist. Obviously there needs to be a pragmatism in dealing with stuff like this, and for many fans DD / The club have fallen on the wrong side of the line. He'll maybe regard not killing them completely but grinding them to a pulp now that they're 'back' is aceptable. If it happens, many fans will be quite happy watching them struggle in our wake, potentially forever unless a sugar daddy comes calling. And they don't chase him away of course.
Pragmatism ? Like the 5 way agreement , the Bryson book of registration, the LNS report or the admitted side letters - that kind of pragmatism ?


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6 Jun 2016, 12:58 AM
Is this resolution 12 stuff about proving to people that the new rangers are a different club?
not at all, its about the long standing debate over the term 'cheese on toast' or 'roasted cheese'

i for one fight for the cause of the 'cheese on toast'

too many lives have been lost
Grilled cheese.

FFS
Oh no you didn't :arrr:
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Skeletons in someone's cupboard perhaps ?
Football is a weird business compared to others in that you need your rivals in order for your business to exist. Obviously there needs to be a pragmatism in dealing with stuff like this, and for many fans DD / The club have fallen on the wrong side of the line. He'll maybe regard not killing them completely but grinding them to a pulp now that they're 'back' is aceptable. If it happens, many fans will be quite happy watching them struggle in our wake, potentially forever unless a sugar daddy comes calling. And they don't chase him away of course.
Co-ompetition ( the crude name it was given in the 90s ) is not as rare as you would think.

For instance lots of your competitors can also be suppliers and customers. Another example is when large customers demand that their supply chain don't destroy each other. Killing the competition will also attract newcomers who may be better than the current competition, better the the devil you know if you are on top.

In these instances you may want to beat your competition but you need them to survive.
Edited by Adam Smith 11, 6 Jun 2016, 10:00 AM.
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I don't think the Celtic board have wanted to be the ones that push the button on any of the oldco/sevco/SFA shenanigans of the last few years. If Celtic are the ones pushing for the proper punishments to be dished put then it'll be spun in the media as Celtic just being bitter/paranoid etc. They've been waiting on the other clubs stepping up and asking the questions but that hasn't happened and now Sevco are trying to flex their muscles and regain an element of the control and influence oldco had over the game in Scotland.
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I don't think the Celtic board have wanted to be the ones that push the button on any of the oldco/sevco/SFA shenanigans of the last few years. If Celtic are the ones pushing for the proper punishments to be dished put then it'll be spun in the media as Celtic just being bitter/paranoid etc. They've been waiting on the other clubs stepping up and asking the questions but that hasn't happened and now Sevco are trying to flex their muscles and regain an element of the control and influence oldco had over the game in Scotland.
Baffling . :nono:
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I don't think the Celtic board have wanted to be the ones that push the button on any of the oldco/sevco/SFA shenanigans of the last few years. If Celtic are the ones pushing for the proper punishments to be dished put then it'll be spun in the media as Celtic just being bitter/paranoid etc. They've been waiting on the other clubs stepping up and asking the questions but that hasn't happened and now Sevco are trying to flex their muscles and regain an element of the control and influence oldco had over the game in Scotland.
Baffling . :nono:
If you cast your mind back to the vote to allow Sevco into the SPL Celtic were one of the last clubs to make their position public. At the time I was of the opinion that it was a deliberate decision so that they couldn't be accused of pressuring the other clubs.

The battles with the SFA over the years have also seen Celtic painted as the villain more often than not even though its simply not the case. Remember the referees going on strike because Celtic justifiably questioned their integrity? I honestly believe that Celtic want the other clubs to stand up to Sevco and the SFA. It has become clear though that there is no appetite for it so Celtic need to stand up for themselves.
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Football is a weird business compared to others in that you need your rivals in order for your business to exist. Obviously there needs to be a pragmatism in dealing with stuff like this, and for many fans DD / The club have fallen on the wrong side of the line. He'll maybe regard not killing them completely but grinding them to a pulp now that they're 'back' is aceptable. If it happens, many fans will be quite happy watching them struggle in our wake, potentially forever unless a sugar daddy comes calling. And they don't chase him away of course.
Co-ompetition ( the crude name it was given in the 90s ) is not as rare as you would think.

For instance lots of your competitors can also be suppliers and customers. Another example is when large customers demand that their supply chain don't destroy each other. Killing the competition will also attract newcomers who may be better than the current competition, better the the devil you know if you are on top.

In these instances you may want to beat your competition but you need them to survive.
These instances aren't an exact match for football (or any sport) where by definition, you need competition. Not the same as being supplier and customer, or higher power ordering you not to kill competition among it's suppliers. I've no doubt DD / The Board/ Lawwell / whoever saw Rangers as vital to our well-being long term. They're probably correct in business terms too. Fans take an entirely different view based on historical rivalries etc that use different measurements.
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6 Jun 2016, 01:29 AM
Sorry I asked a question. FFS. Sorry I don't spend my days reading about Rangers. Should've expected the usual snide response.
Resolution 12 is about the fact Rangers 1872 were granted a license to play in the CL costing us millions when it has allegedly been reported that they wildly failed the SFA criteria due to insurmountable debts and as such the license should have been denied.
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Sorry I asked a question. FFS. Sorry I don't spend my days reading about Rangers. Should've expected the usual snide response.
Resolution 12 is about the fact Rangers 1872 were granted a license to play in the CL costing us millions when it has allegedly been reported that they wildly failed the SFA criteria due to insurmountable debts and as such the license should have been denied.
Realistically though what could happen to resolve the issue now?
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Sorry I asked a question. FFS. Sorry I don't spend my days reading about Rangers. Should've expected the usual snide response.
Resolution 12 is about the fact Rangers 1872 were granted a license to play in the CL costing us millions when it has allegedly been reported that they wildly failed the SFA criteria due to insurmountable debts and as such the license should have been denied.
Realistically though what could happen to resolve the issue now?
Not sure, but if it went further and UEFA eventually decreed malpractice, I suppose some folks in the SFA might be feeling a bit twitchy?
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Realistically though what could happen to resolve the issue now?
Not sure, but if it went further and UEFA eventually decreed malpractice, I suppose some folks in the SFA might be feeling a bit twitchy?
That would be nice, we can always live in hope.
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Sorry I asked a question. FFS. Sorry I don't spend my days reading about Rangers. Should've expected the usual snide response.
Resolution 12 is about the fact Rangers 1872 were granted a license to play in the CL costing us millions when it has allegedly been reported that they wildly failed the SFA criteria due to insurmountable debts and as such the license should have been denied.
:ponder:

Is the whole thing not due to uefa 's own rules being you can't play in their competitions with outstanding tax debt?
The Huns had a few million due for the DOS so were ineligible, however, after a few documented meetings between the SFA and RFC, they seemingly never passed on the info. Huns got pumped out of both cups due to the gardeners push management skills but that's not the issue....
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Not sure, but if it went further and UEFA eventually decreed malpractice, I suppose some folks in the SFA might be feeling a bit twitchy?
That would be nice, we can always live in hope.
Unless, of course, their intervention is to ban SPFL clubs from European competition
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That would be nice, we can always live in hope.
Unless, of course, their intervention is to ban SPFL clubs from European competition
a point I made myself and one that everyone seems to be missing
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Surely we could then sue SFA for loss of earnings due to their lying devious ways?
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Unless, of course, their intervention is to ban SPFL clubs from European competition
a point I made myself and one that everyone seems to be missing
Do you think we should leave it if that was the consequence?

I don't .
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Is the whole thing not due to uefa 's own rules being you can't play in their competitions with outstanding tax debt?

Resolution 12 is about the fact Rangers 1872 were granted a license to play in the CL - The reason they shouldnt have been granted the licence is like you say because uefa 's own rules state you can't play in their competitions with outstanding tax debt
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