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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,988 Views)
TheEvilGenius
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remy mcswain
31 Jul 2014, 08:58 AM
Estoril
31 Jul 2014, 08:54 AM
fatboab
30 Jul 2014, 10:12 PM
Mr Lawwell, Mr Bankier, you reap what you sow. The downsizing comes home to roost.
I thought you had high hopes for this guy Bankier
What do you think has happened
Bankier is a businessman who knows eff all about football.
Or Celtic.
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pablo5
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thenakattack
31 Jul 2014, 11:12 PM
Think we call got caught up a bit in the whole transfer policy thing, we made alot of decent punts at one time but most are now gone. We dont buy enough players to get half correct and those we do buy are more likely to reach championship rather than EPL standard. Saying the transfer policy works is like saying the hibs youth academy works, it did once but doesnt now.
If that system isn't working then John Park should follow suit.
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pablo5
31 Jul 2014, 11:20 PM
thenakattack
31 Jul 2014, 11:12 PM
Think we call got caught up a bit in the whole transfer policy thing, we made alot of decent punts at one time but most are now gone. We dont buy enough players to get half correct and those we do buy are more likely to reach championship rather than EPL standard. Saying the transfer policy works is like saying the hibs youth academy works, it did once but doesnt now.
If that system isn't working then John Park should follow suit.
The chief scout isn't responsible for deciding who we sign, the director of football is.
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idyllwild
31 Jul 2014, 10:40 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 09:53 PM
pauldg1
31 Jul 2014, 09:22 PM
Since Lennon became manager:

Player sales: ~£49 million
European prize money: ~£36 million

Player purchases: ~£29 million


It's absolutely taking the piss.
How dare you! It doesn't show that on the accounts so it can't be true.

If you take 40,000 season tickets at an average of £300 that's £12m, add a sold out Champions league stadium threw an extra 3 match package of £80, cup and general sale tickets and combine that with merchandise(boards favourite) gives around £20m. That should cover 20 players on £20k a week(we know that isnt the average wage) for a year ie Operating costs

So its fair to say the player sales profit hasn't been going on these so called operating costs that are spoke of.

What doesn't it show on the accounts? :ponder:

Those figures are meaningless when picked out and posted in isolation. We also have other revenues and costs worth £millions.
I know that these don't encompass the entire operation, but they are still telling.
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31 Jul 2014, 09:53 PM
pauldg1
31 Jul 2014, 09:22 PM
Since Lennon became manager:

Player sales: ~£49 million
European prize money: ~£36 million

Player purchases: ~£29 million


It's absolutely taking the piss.
How dare you! It doesn't show that on the accounts so it can't be true.

If you take 40,000 season tickets at an average of £300 that's £12m, add a sold out Champions league stadium threw an extra 3 match package of £80, cup and general sale tickets and combine that with merchandise(boards favourite) gives around £20m. That should cover 20 players on £20k a week(we know that isnt the average wage) for a year ie Operating costs

So its fair to say the player sales profit hasn't been going on these so called operating costs that are spoke of.

Money spent on players, money received for players and prize money are all shown in the accounts. What you were talking about earlier (fraud) is not happening.
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PL is just a rich mans Rod Petrie, Left alone and given enough time he will contribute, if not cause, the biggest slide in our recent history.

Chief executives are businessmen not football scouts. I would also like to know if anyone on here has the signings of last few years & who their agent is as I feel thats worth looking into.
Lennon gave away enough clues today without breaking whatever confidentiality clause has signed regarding his own departure, which for me was telling.
As for some of our support slaughtering Lennon for "putting the boot in" you have to laugh, these are the same fans who slaughtered the zombies these last 2 years for not liking the truth because they didn't like who was telling them it.
PL has pulled the wool over fans eyes once too often. He used his lapdogs in media to sell the support on the brave new world under RD with fantastic stories of free flowing 4-3-3.
I'm still behind the manager as he must be given a chance but the Celtic support should remember that lamb is lamb regardless of who's serving it.
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pauldg1
1 Aug 2014, 12:47 AM
idyllwild
31 Jul 2014, 10:40 PM
Emerald Oracle
31 Jul 2014, 09:53 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Player sales: ~£49 million
European prize money: ~£36 million

Player purchases: ~£29 million
What doesn't it show on the accounts? :ponder:

Those figures are meaningless when picked out and posted in isolation. We also have other revenues and costs worth £millions.
I know that these don't encompass the entire operation, but they are still telling.
You forgot wages which is kind of important - unless you think the players play for nothing. Otherwise - its actually not 'telling' at all.
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Lobey Dosser
31 Jul 2014, 11:08 PM

Why do we need to pay our CEO a package that amounts to around three times the total whack that the President of the USA is paid ?


#Because President Pedro rules the world ;)
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murphio
1 Aug 2014, 01:07 AM
pauldg1
1 Aug 2014, 12:47 AM
idyllwild
31 Jul 2014, 10:40 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Player sales: ~£49 million
European prize money: ~£36 million

Player purchases: ~£29 million
I know that these don't encompass the entire operation, but they are still telling.
You forgot wages which is kind of important - unless you think the players play for nothing. Otherwise - its actually not 'telling' at all.
Those figures aren't 'telling' enough? :twitch:

What about these?

http://www.celticfc.net/news/5398?item=5398

Profits up, operational costs down.

Quality of team is on a continual spiral.
WTF are fans supposed to think?

The money went on the wi-fi, or the lovely revamp the council paid for?

Jesus Christ, anyone failing to question the board must enjoy being thoroughly shafted whilst wearing a little woolen blindfold. :brickwall:
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Our next set of figures should complete our bigger picture. Season ticket money plus champions league prize money still to be added.

Then we have more player sales :nono: Our bank balance will turn out pretty well id guess :nono:


We've a oversized sqaud of around 40 players in the first team pool alone. 40% will never make more than a handful of appearances and most are just shampooe footballers. Just a drain on wage resources.

Scouting is becoming an ever increasing problem , Craig Gordon rang the alarm bells. The duds are growing in number as our cash outlay decreases. Who takes the blame?

Peter flogs our better players quick as they arrive and buys bulk and cheap. For the price of 2 duds we could have had one of a higher standard.

Just an amateurish operation , now just a bland and banal football 'brand' devoid of any icons or heroes.
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nakasboots
1 Aug 2014, 01:21 AM
murphio
1 Aug 2014, 01:07 AM
pauldg1
1 Aug 2014, 12:47 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Player sales: ~£49 million
European prize money: ~£36 million

Player purchases: ~£29 million
You forgot wages which is kind of important - unless you think the players play for nothing. Otherwise - its actually not 'telling' at all.
Those figures aren't 'telling' enough? :twitch:

What about these?

http://www.celticfc.net/news/5398?item=5398

Profits up, operational costs down.

Quality of team is on a continual spiral.
WTF are fans supposed to think?

The money went on the wi-fi, or the lovely revamp the council paid for?

Jesus Christ, anyone failing to question the board must enjoy being thoroughly shafted whilst wearing a little woolen blindfold. :brickwall:
You can't just take two figures and post them in isolation and completely without context. They are absolutely meaningless. Celtic's income and expenditure is set out in black and white in the accounts to the last penny. There is no missing money - it has all been spent. Now regardless of whether you think it has been spent correctly there is no dark figures in the background trousering cash. The very suggestion is ludicrous. Are Celtic risk adverse? Absolutely? Are our resources being used correctly? Highly questionable? Is someone stealing - absolutely not.
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Klepton
1 Aug 2014, 12:22 AM
pablo5
31 Jul 2014, 11:20 PM
thenakattack
31 Jul 2014, 11:12 PM
Think we call got caught up a bit in the whole transfer policy thing, we made alot of decent punts at one time but most are now gone. We dont buy enough players to get half correct and those we do buy are more likely to reach championship rather than EPL standard. Saying the transfer policy works is like saying the hibs youth academy works, it did once but doesnt now.
If that system isn't working then John Park should follow suit.
The chief scout isn't responsible for deciding who we sign, the director of football is.
John Park has more say over transfer dealings than any other member of staff at Celtic Park. I've said it before but there's people on here who know Lennon who would be able to back up the fact Lennon had identified a player he'd seen and wanted. Fresh from going to see him he phoned and said that's who he wanted. Surprise surprise when he got back he was told the deal wasn't happening as Park had found someone cheaper and younger with a similar goalscoring pedigree. We signed Parks man.

That's when it was clear to me that Park isn't just chief scout or head of development, he's pretty much the GM to a coach. I believed at that stage Lenny should have stood up and told all to the media and said I'm out of here. He continued in though and left at the end of the season and I'm sure that was one of his "many" factors in leaving.
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Accounting for dummies going on here :ffs:
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pauldg1
1 Aug 2014, 12:47 AM
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31 Jul 2014, 10:40 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 09:53 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Player sales: ~£49 million
European prize money: ~£36 million

Player purchases: ~£29 million
What doesn't it show on the accounts? :ponder:

Those figures are meaningless when picked out and posted in isolation. We also have other revenues and costs worth £millions.
I know that these don't encompass the entire operation, but they are still telling.
No, they're not. You can't tell a single thing from them unless you look at the rest of our income and expenditure.
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zombieslayer35
1 Aug 2014, 07:26 AM
Accounting for dummies going on here :ffs:
Surely just a real concern about where the money has went? You can't be happy that we have sold so many players for "big money" and watch the standard of the team slide so much?

Surely the time has come to say lawell, park you've done a shampoo job get your jacket and get to eff?

Surely its time that as a group of supporters we actually show some proper passion for change and force the leeches out of the club who are a constant drain on the finances by doing such a shampoo job? That's a lot more passionate than friggin doing the huddle in the europa league or singing about paddy mccourts fenian army?

As for dermot desmond he's as much use as the rest of them
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They've managed to deliver a lovely driveway and the garden has been tidied up. Just a shame that no bastard will want to go into the house though.
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idyllwild
1 Aug 2014, 07:50 AM
pauldg1
1 Aug 2014, 12:47 AM
idyllwild
31 Jul 2014, 10:40 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Player sales: ~£49 million
European prize money: ~£36 million

Player purchases: ~£29 million
I know that these don't encompass the entire operation, but they are still telling.
No, they're not. You can't tell a single thing from them unless you look at the rest of our income and expenditure.
IMO the income from sponsors, season tickets, broadcast money, gate, etc etc should match the cost of running the stadium and paying the wages

income from player sales and price money should be used to strengthen the squad

there is something wrong if a club of Celtic size can't make the finances run even (at least) without extra money from the CL or player sales
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1 Aug 2014, 07:52 AM
zombieslayer35
1 Aug 2014, 07:26 AM
Accounting for dummies going on here :ffs:
Surely just a real concern about where the money has went? You can't be happy that we have sold so many players for "big money" and watch the standard of the team slide so much?

Surely the time has come to say lawell, park you've done a shampoo job get your jacket and get to eff?

Surely its time that as a group of supporters we actually show some proper passion for change and force the leeches out of the club who are a constant drain on the finances by doing such a shampoo job? That's a lot more passionate than friggin doing the huddle in the europa league or singing about paddy mccourts fenian army?

As for dermot desmond he's as much use as the rest of them
All of the information on "where the money has went" is available in the accounts.

There's absolutely no need to make shampoo up, which people have been doing in this thread.
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idyllwild
1 Aug 2014, 07:58 AM
josephledley
1 Aug 2014, 07:52 AM
zombieslayer35
1 Aug 2014, 07:26 AM
Accounting for dummies going on here :ffs:
Surely just a real concern about where the money has went? You can't be happy that we have sold so many players for "big money" and watch the standard of the team slide so much?

Surely the time has come to say lawell, park you've done a shampoo job get your jacket and get to eff?

Surely its time that as a group of supporters we actually show some proper passion for change and force the leeches out of the club who are a constant drain on the finances by doing such a shampoo job? That's a lot more passionate than friggin doing the huddle in the europa league or singing about paddy mccourts fenian army?

As for dermot desmond he's as much use as the rest of them
All of the information on "where the money has went" is available in the accounts.

There's absolutely no need to make shampoo up, which people have been doing in this thread.
Where the money has went is the reason is why lawell ansd park should be hunted before flag night.

This is going to take us years to recover from. We have wasted millions upon millions of pounds on shampooe. The club has been hugely mismanaged
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1 Aug 2014, 08:05 AM
idyllwild
1 Aug 2014, 07:58 AM
josephledley
1 Aug 2014, 07:52 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
All of the information on "where the money has went" is available in the accounts.

There's absolutely no need to make shampoo up, which people have been doing in this thread.
Where the money has went is the reason is why lawell ansd park should be hunted before flag night.

This is going to take us years to recover from. We have wasted millions upon millions of pounds on shampooe. The club has been hugely mismanaged
People are saying that they cannot see where the money is going. They're wrong, anyone can see where the money is going.

Asking "where has the money gone?" is an entirely different question to asking "why has the money been spent on xyz?".

What you're saying, and what I agree with to an extent, is that the club has being poorly managed.
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