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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,648 Views)
shugmc
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Has Overmighty Lawwell Been Cut Down To Size?
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Hope to Feck Forest is right. Wont hold my breath in Lawwell relinquishing control though.
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It's bizarre (and unusual) that Lawwell is doing PR for himself so openly

And it comes across has heavily controlled. That ET has the bizarre Q and A style Jackson did for the other lot at times

And if you read it, it would have taken (without editing) about 5 minutes to conduct the entire inteerview
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Sunny Jim Young
12 May 2016, 12:40 AM
Celtic are at a fork in the road.

We badly need leadership both on and off the pitch.

The guy who has made a complete arse of two out of the last three managerial appointments remains in charge.

So its hard to be optimistic.
:thumbsup:

And he got lucky with Lennon. Just total stupidity/arrogance to think he could be that lucky again. And complete disregard for the club to even take that gamble.

Please just GTF now.
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As soon as we set foot in the groups stages of the CL he's off. I think he would have been away already had we made it last year, but he obviously didn't want that to be his legacy.
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mytsharp
13 May 2016, 02:11 PM
As soon as we set foot in the groups stages of the CL he's off. I think he would have been away already had we made it last year, but he obviously didn't want that to be his legacy.
so we are stuck with him for a few more years
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Completely correct about Park. Needs to go.
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Dianogah
13 May 2016, 11:59 AM
It's bizarre (and unusual) that Lawwell is doing PR for himself so openly

And it comes across has heavily controlled. That ET has the bizarre Q and A style Jackson did for the other lot at times

And if you read it, it would have taken (without editing) about 5 minutes to conduct the entire inteerview
It's like a effing sketch from The Office. Lawwell is almost beyond paradoy. He's almost universally lost any sort of backing from the support now.

"Lawwell quipped..."
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ootmaheid
13 May 2016, 01:29 PM
Sunny Jim Young
12 May 2016, 12:40 AM
Celtic are at a fork in the road.

We badly need leadership both on and off the pitch.

The guy who has made a complete arse of two out of the last three managerial appointments remains in charge.

So its hard to be optimistic.
:thumbsup:

And he got lucky with Lennon. Just total stupidity/arrogance to think he could be that lucky again. And complete disregard for the club to even take that gamble.

Please just GTF now.
Scraping through the qualifiers with a last minute goal against Karagandy was as loud an alarm bell Lawwell could have had. About as obvious a flag he could have got that the team needed strengthening. But not content enough with pocketing the profits from a surprise last 16 appearance in the Champions League the previous year - he also went onto sell the spine of that team, in Hooper, Wanyama and Wilson. And who and what did he spend the money on after guaranteeing fortunate qualification against Karagandy? Pukki and Bitton. That was it.

Surprise, of all surprises, we finish that year's Champions League campaign with 5 defeats from our 6 games. Inevitable, as much as it was depressing. Although perhaps more depressing is that even finishing rock bottom of a Champions League group seems way, way beyond out current capabilities now. And without that stage on which to showcase any talent - and having sold off the last of the golden eggs with Van Dijk - Peter has no other way of propping up those balance sheets now. Hopefully this bizarre Murray-esque PR charade is indeed the final blowout for Lawwell. Because his time is long, long overdue now - and his legacy will probably be an entire generation of Celtic fans lost. That's quite the legacy alright.
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Dianogah
13 May 2016, 11:59 AM
It's bizarre (and unusual) that Lawwell is doing PR for himself so openly

And it comes across has heavily controlled. That ET has the bizarre Q and A style Jackson did for the other lot at times

And if you read it, it would have taken (without editing) about 5 minutes to conduct the entire inteerview
Most Q and A interviews that appear in that format in print are done via email. That way the subject cannot be challenged on their answers, while preventing the questioner from expanding upon other points.
Haven't read the ET interview but if it set out as a Q and A it has been heavily controlled, and is very likely not to have been conducted face to face.
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Phil MCG carried the story of the board meeting that took place after the defeat at Hamdump, in it he said that PL was quizzed about some of the signings. Phil also mentioned that DD usually allowed his CEOs a fair degree of autonomy in their particular businesses. My belief as I've stated before is that had we won the semi final, then Michael O'Neill would have been appointed manager after the statelet gets gubbed in the Euros! I was told by a decent source that he was the preferred candidate, this was about a month before the semi final and Ronny was for the off. PL would have been allowed free reign to pick his guy. The semi final fiasco changed all that.
DD and Dennis O'Brien have become far more involved and they will have more of a say than PL.
PL has had his day as CEO, however he might be asked to stay on to make use of the contacts he has made in the game in Britain and in Europe. He might not fancy a reduced role and might decide to leave but don't be surprised if he doesn't become Chairman. Bankier has been a complete non event and the club needs someone to fight its corner!
Freed from the daily routine of running the business side of things PL could make a good figurehead for the club, especially if he were to go on the offensive with MSM and SFA
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jbj712
13 May 2016, 04:56 PM
DD and Dennis O'Brien have become far more involved and they will have more of a say than PL.
PL has had his day as CEO, however he might be asked to stay on to make use of the contacts he has made in the game in Britain and in Europe. He might not fancy a reduced role and might decide to leave but don't be surprised if he doesn't become Chairman. Bankier has been a complete non event and the club needs someone to fight its corner!
Freed from the daily routine of running the business side of things PL could make a good figurehead for the club, especially if he were to go on the offensive with MSM and SFA
Not what I've heard, especially when it comes to Dennis O'Brien.

There should be and in my view is No place for lawwell at Celtic park anymore. He's already been way way over paid by the club, I no more want him involved with Celtic than I want the Whytes and Kelly's back.
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13 May 2016, 10:41 AM
In all the press interviews with Lawwell and Deila over the past week, I don't think John Park's name has been mentioned once. I find that curious.

I don't know the man, have nothing against him personally. He has been there for 10 years now and holds the post of Football Development Manager. A role which it seems has never really ever been fully defined, at least in terms of his total reach and influence.

I formed the impression some time back that this guy, no matter how many football matches he watches, no matter how long his involvement with professional clubs, is pretty deficient in assessing the merits of players. Sure, there have been successes. But there has also been a litany of truly inexplicable recruits stretching back to Ben Hutchinson. That's 28 year old Ben Hutchinson of Basford United, who ply their trade in the Northern Premier League Division One South.

I think a proper Director of Football would rip to shreds what passes for standards at Celtic on the footballing side and also wouldn't take long in telling Lawwell what he thought of his player recruitment model.
Excellent point.

As a pairing over the past 10 years the Park & Lawwell double-act have simply been disastrous. Parks ineptitude to spot a player - particularly an effective forward - combined with Lawwell's "I know best" mega-ego have seen us drain away our fairly scant resources on a succession of useless loans & speculative punts. With the exception of Hooper & possibly Griffiths they have signed an unbelievable collection of duds.

Having won the lottery with the signing of Wanyama these pair of clowns thought you could do that with every signing - you simply can't, you get lucky from time to time & you count your blessings - and since then they have adopted the moneyball approach hoping to hit the jackpot once again. We also made massive gains on Virgil & Big Fraser, selling all 3 to the same club no less but we have massively failed to invest the money we made from those 3 big sales into any form of quality in today's squad. It is mostly filled by overpaid garbage.

Lawwell is clearly rattled, his bizarre "woe is me" press crusade of the last few days points to a man who is finally feeling the heat.

The heat must be brought to the boil to force this charlatan from the club & he can take his useless "Super Scout" with him. Lawwell has simply asset stripped the playing squad over the past few years to ensure his bonus & to mask his own failings. I fervently hope that his ramblings in press this week indicate that he is now on borrowed time.

He & his hand picked lackeys have done enough damage.

Time for change.
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jbj712
13 May 2016, 04:56 PM
Phil MCG carried the story of the board meeting that took place after the defeat at Hamdump, in it he said that PL was quizzed about some of the signings. Phil also mentioned that DD usually allowed his CEOs a fair degree of autonomy in their particular businesses. My belief as I've stated before is that had we won the semi final, then Michael O'Neill would have been appointed manager after the statelet gets gubbed in the Euros! I was told by a decent source that he was the preferred candidate, this was about a month before the semi final and Ronny was for the off. PL would have been allowed free reign to pick his guy. The semi final fiasco changed all that.
DD and Dennis O'Brien have become far more involved and they will have more of a say than PL.
PL has had his day as CEO, however he might be asked to stay on to make use of the contacts he has made in the game in Britain and in Europe. He might not fancy a reduced role and might decide to leave but don't be surprised if he doesn't become Chairman. Bankier has been a complete non event and the club needs someone to fight its corner!
Freed from the daily routine of running the business side of things PL could make a good figurehead for the club, especially if he were to go on the offensive with MSM and SFA
Is he stepping down from his SFA post?
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Bankier has been worse than a non event, horrendously unable to carry out his one 'public' duty before shareholders.

Lawwell has been here for a lot of very good times then the aftermath which has dragged on too long now to see any future benefit, if he were to take up that role I'd not be too unhappy if he then did go on and make his presence felt, recent events suggest there's no guarantee of that being effective.
Edited by Pussyfoot, 13 May 2016, 05:24 PM.
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It now appears to be universally accepted in Celtic cyberspace that Lawwell has been acting in a de facto Director of Football role. I argued this was the case (to some derision on here) years ago - back in Strachan's time. It was Lawwell's decision to force Kenny Miller out the door and his alone. I was told on here at the time a statue of Lawwell should be getting built for screwing £3m from Derby for 'Misser'. But as I said then - that was never, ever the point.

The point was that it wasn't (or at least it shouldn't have been) Lawwell's decision to make. Rightly or wrongly it should have been up to the manager and he wanted to keep the player. The way Miller was treated (being told that if he didn't go to Pride Park he'd be forced to train with the youths etc) had a big bearing, imo, in him rejoining the Hun and absolutely sticking it to us at every opportunity. In the accounts of that same year - Lawwell was paid a significant sum over and above his salary and full bonus for 'positive transfer outcomes'. In effect he gained personally by selling a player the manager wanted to keep. It's not for me to say whether there was a conflict on interest in that regard, I'll leave others to make their own minds up.

That said I believe him when he states the manager has final say - of course he does. Like Tony Mowbray had the final say on Ki despite him acknowledging he had very little to do with the signing. Like John Barnes had with Stilian Petrov. The notion there haven't been players brought to the club over the last decade with little or no input from the managers in question is utter nonsense. Lawwell sidelined Ray Clarke to bring in John Park and most of the utter failures - Balde, Bangura, Pukki etc - are down to him.
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13 May 2016, 05:08 PM
Bankier has been worse than a non event, horrendously unable to carry out the his one 'public' duty before shareholders.

Lawwell has been here for a lot of very good times then the aftermath which has dragged on too long now to see any future benefit, if he were to take up that role I'd not be too unhappy if he then did go on and make his presence felt, recent events suggest there's no guarantee of that being effective.
Agree with many of your points,but if the club wants to reconnect with the support they need to have a public face that is effective!
Many had issues with John Reid but he knew how to handle the press, media and public gatherings.
The ongoing debate over the handling of issues like Res12 should tell the board that they need to do things better, particularly their engagement with the support. Even if they only do it from a purely business perspective, they need to listen to their customers! Obviously I would hope they were doing for the right reasons, that they shared the supports view of the scummy bandits that we have to deal with in Scotland!
Our club when it is united together is unstoppable.
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What does bankier actually do? It seems Desmond calls the shots and Lawwell carries out the orders. Where does that leave bankier in the scheme of things?
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13 May 2016, 05:32 PM
What does bankier actually do? It seems Desmond calls the shots and Lawwell carries out the orders. Where does that leave bankier in the scheme of things?
He accuses us of being racist.
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I should add to my above post that Lawwell tried the Miller routine again with Bobo Balde with the result that one of our highest paid players became a virtual outcast. The notion that was down to Strachan was utterly lamentable.
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