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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,649 Views)
fatboab
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lenobhoy
12 May 2016, 01:49 PM
Kingslim
12 May 2016, 09:03 AM
DKB
12 May 2016, 09:00 AM
The 3-2 Malmö game certainly was a game changer for the momentum that the team had going from the second half of Ronny's first season, with the defeat in Sweden killing it

Doing the first half we were playing attacking football on a (fairly) high lvl - I even had a hun mate texting me with "damn you are playing good football" which he normally won't do



The first half hour v Malmo is when it finally looked to have clicked for Ronny. We were outstanding, but typically with Ronny's teams all the good work was undone in the 2nd half.

That misplaced header by Brown and the goal from Berger knocked the stuffing out of us and the glass jaw appeared again when we restored our 2 goal advantage only for Effe to eff up with his marking at the corner. That game should have seen us out of sight and the second leg a meaningless game. Griffiths was also clean through at 2-0 up only to squander a good chance. Dems the fine margins.

Ronny didn't help himself and made plenty of mistakes but the set up we have, wasting money on poor scouting & purchases won't help the next manager if things ain't rectified.
it was Johanssen who was clean through at 2-0 :ph43r:
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fatboab
12 May 2016, 02:00 PM
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12 May 2016, 01:49 PM
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12 May 2016, 09:03 AM

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That misplaced header by Brown and the goal from Berger knocked the stuffing out of us and the glass jaw appeared again when we restored our 2 goal advantage only for Effe to eff up with his marking at the corner. That game should have seen us out of sight and the second leg a meaningless game. Griffiths was also clean through at 2-0 up only to squander a good chance. Dems the fine margins.

Ronny didn't help himself and made plenty of mistakes but the set up we have, wasting money on poor scouting & purchases won't help the next manager if things ain't rectified.
it was Johanssen who was clean through at 2-0 :ph43r:
That game was a crushing blow.

I knew we were out when Berget scored that 2nd goal.

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Kingslim
12 May 2016, 02:17 PM
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12 May 2016, 02:00 PM
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12 May 2016, 01:49 PM

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it was Johanssen who was clean through at 2-0 :ph43r:
That game was a crushing blow.

I knew we were out when Berget scored that 2nd goal.

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So true
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11 May 2016, 10:25 PM

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I think the board reward him for the fantastic value he gets for our outgoing stars and his commercial nous.

No matter what anyone says, in business terms, if I hire someone at £1m and he adds value of £1.1m then he is worth £1m.

It looks like his role may be being diluted in line with this thinking.

The interesting hypothetical question then is, if he was happy to be ring fenced to commercial duties where he clearly shows that he generates more than he costs would we want to keep him on his current terms or is it personal?
If they're judging him purely on getting big fees for VvD, FF, and Wanyama, then of course his salary is a worthwhile outlay.

However, the real picture should include every transfer in and out, and salaries. Then you'd have an accurate figure on which to base the judgement of PL's cost-effectiveness.

On top of that, you might also reasonably add his degree of responsibility in losing 2 years worth of CL revenue.

The value added by that £1m salary decreases pretty significantly when additional relevant factors are considered.
I'd add our failure to adequately improve the squad in the January 2009 transfer window cost; which cost us the league, saw us lose out on CL revenue, and kept Rangers in business for another couple of years.
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If they're judging him purely on getting big fees for VvD, FF, and Wanyama, then of course his salary is a worthwhile outlay.

However, the real picture should include every transfer in and out, and salaries. Then you'd have an accurate figure on which to base the judgement of PL's cost-effectiveness.

On top of that, you might also reasonably add his degree of responsibility in losing 2 years worth of CL revenue.

The value added by that £1m salary decreases pretty significantly when additional relevant factors are considered.
I'd add our failure to adequately improve the squad in the January 2009 transfer window cost; which cost us the league, saw us lose out on CL revenue, and kept Rangers in business for another couple of years.
Exactly, bringing in Will Flood :ffs: when we needed a striker cost us big time. His mistakes and penny pinching have cost us a lot more than what we have gained.

Neil Lennon needed a striker for Champions league qualification but got Pukki after we had qualified and even then Hooper was allowed to go when we could have kept him. Was there a need to justify bonus and move players on (player turnover? ).

I'd say our achievements have been despite a lot of what he's done.
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Weren't Celtic TV were going to put up a Lawwell interview today? :ponder:
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Lawwel has once again proven himself to be an egotistical pumpkin.

Fans have regularly made our opinion known of the MSM and their blatant negative spin against Celtic, to be met with responses of "Dont read the papers then".

And he goes ahead and cosies up to that gutter rag.
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In The Heat of Lisbon
12 May 2016, 06:04 PM
Lawwel has once again proven himself to be an egotistical pumpkin.

Fans have regularly made our opinion known of the MSM and their blatant negative spin against Celtic, to be met with responses of "Dont read the papers then".

And he goes ahead and cosies up to that gutter rag.
It's not even the fact he's speaking to the press, it's the timing and what he has said that is unbelievable.

Firstly, The fact he's spoken to that paper , following the Hillsborough families being here only days before was unreal.

Secondly, we're in the midst of a recruitment process trying to attract the best manager we can and he comes out and states "We can't buy" "The Strategy will continue whether I'm here or not". They're also trying to punt ST's at the moment and he Goes to the papers, insults the fans and basically says its business as usual. The fans have been clear with their disgust for many reasons and have been voting with their feet and he stubbornly states its business as usual.

It's a PR gaffe of the highest order. I Really can't get my head round Why he did the interview now? The club will be professional in regards to not naming the new manager until Ronny has gone. Shouldn't he be doing the same whilst we are trying to attract a manager and quality players to the club?

Unless they have no intention of genuinely pursuing a top manager and he's retaliating first.



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12 May 2016, 01:41 PM
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12 May 2016, 12:00 PM
Reading those Lawwell quotes the part about the Academy interested me. No one is suggesting there shouldn't be a link between the Academy and the first team. What is potentially more worrying is that Lawwell seems to be suggesting that we have appointed managers in the past who did not care for that link, at least as much as they should have.

The new manager should certainly care for that link. He will also clearly care for the fact that if players are not good enough then he's well within his rights not to have them in his first team.

There can't be a Celtic supporter left alive who does not understand that we can't spend big money. Even top of English Championship type money. That doesn't mean you have to end up in a situation where players like Carlton Cole are ever welcomed into the club at the stage of career he is at. That, frankly, is an indictment of the footballing department at the club, and the responsibility ultimately lies with the CEO.

He talks a lot about the culture being created. Signing cast offs like Carlton Cole creates a culture all of its own. Having a 30+ man squad creates a culture all of its own. None of it is any good.

We are a football club who will only currently be challenged in domestic cups because of their nature, and in Europe. Neither is working out well for us because the standards within the bit of the club that matters above all others, the footballing side, are not high enough.

After 13 years in post, that is a complete indictment of the man who presides over all of it.
Nail on head. :thumbsup:
we should have 16-18 senior players with academy players filling in if suspension/injuries etc - instead we have reserve players earning £10k-£15k a week never playing - crazy use of money

any academy player should be able to step in as 2nd or 3rd choice, not saying that he should dominate a game, but he should be of a quality where the first team players can carry him through the game without looking lost
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Looks like Lawwell's three day smarm offensive in the press has been a complete disaster. Genius move, Peter. Well done :theclap:
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Looks like Lawwell's three day smarm offensive in the press has been a complete disaster. Genius move, Peter. Well done :theclap:
Your surprised how? :lol:
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shugmc
13 May 2016, 10:02 AM
Looks like Lawwell's three day smarm offensive in the press has been a complete disaster. Genius move, Peter. Well done :theclap:
As someone commented on another thread (Press Watch?), 'It's almost as though he doesn't want to sell season tickets.'

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13 May 2016, 10:12 AM
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13 May 2016, 10:02 AM
Looks like Lawwell's three day smarm offensive in the press has been a complete disaster. Genius move, Peter. Well done :theclap:
As someone commented on another thread (Press Watch?), 'It's almost as though he doesn't want to sell season tickets.'

Or working his ticket for a fat pay off.
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shugmc
13 May 2016, 10:02 AM
Looks like Lawwell's three day smarm offensive in the press has been a complete disaster. Genius move, Peter. Well done :theclap:
Opens with: 'The club's fine - you're lucky, and you've got me. It might not be me, and he might be a bastard too.' Then closes with - 'It's all Ronny's fault. He signs the pish. Not my doing - I'm only a money man.'

What a cock.
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DKB
12 May 2016, 09:15 PM
lenobhoy
12 May 2016, 01:41 PM
Forza
12 May 2016, 12:00 PM
Reading those Lawwell quotes the part about the Academy interested me. No one is suggesting there shouldn't be a link between the Academy and the first team. What is potentially more worrying is that Lawwell seems to be suggesting that we have appointed managers in the past who did not care for that link, at least as much as they should have.

The new manager should certainly care for that link. He will also clearly care for the fact that if players are not good enough then he's well within his rights not to have them in his first team.

There can't be a Celtic supporter left alive who does not understand that we can't spend big money. Even top of English Championship type money. That doesn't mean you have to end up in a situation where players like Carlton Cole are ever welcomed into the club at the stage of career he is at. That, frankly, is an indictment of the footballing department at the club, and the responsibility ultimately lies with the CEO.

He talks a lot about the culture being created. Signing cast offs like Carlton Cole creates a culture all of its own. Having a 30+ man squad creates a culture all of its own. None of it is any good.

We are a football club who will only currently be challenged in domestic cups because of their nature, and in Europe. Neither is working out well for us because the standards within the bit of the club that matters above all others, the footballing side, are not high enough.

After 13 years in post, that is a complete indictment of the man who presides over all of it.
Nail on head. :thumbsup:
we should have 16-18 senior players with academy players filling in if suspension/injuries etc - instead we have reserve players earning £10k-£15k a week never playing - crazy use of money

any academy player should be able to step in as 2nd or 3rd choice, not saying that he should dominate a game, but he should be of a quality where the first team players can carry him through the game without looking lost
16-18 isn't enough if your even half serious about winning things and not getting horsed in Europe. with 16 senior players plus academy you could easily be in a run of 2 games a week for weeks on end with a team full of kids playing CL and going to places like Tynecastle, Pittodrie etc, it needs to be more like 21-22 senior players supported by some quality youngsters who may or may not go onto make it with Celtic but can do a job short term.

As an aside what the board have created is apathy and that's harder to turn around than anger, the place will be pretty full on Sunday until the trophy gets lifted but I'd be surprised if a good amount bother with the lap of 'honour'
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DKB
12 May 2016, 09:15 PM
lenobhoy
12 May 2016, 01:41 PM
Forza
12 May 2016, 12:00 PM
Reading those Lawwell quotes the part about the Academy interested me. No one is suggesting there shouldn't be a link between the Academy and the first team. What is potentially more worrying is that Lawwell seems to be suggesting that we have appointed managers in the past who did not care for that link, at least as much as they should have.

The new manager should certainly care for that link. He will also clearly care for the fact that if players are not good enough then he's well within his rights not to have them in his first team.

There can't be a Celtic supporter left alive who does not understand that we can't spend big money. Even top of English Championship type money. That doesn't mean you have to end up in a situation where players like Carlton Cole are ever welcomed into the club at the stage of career he is at. That, frankly, is an indictment of the footballing department at the club, and the responsibility ultimately lies with the CEO.

He talks a lot about the culture being created. Signing cast offs like Carlton Cole creates a culture all of its own. Having a 30+ man squad creates a culture all of its own. None of it is any good.

We are a football club who will only currently be challenged in domestic cups because of their nature, and in Europe. Neither is working out well for us because the standards within the bit of the club that matters above all others, the footballing side, are not high enough.

After 13 years in post, that is a complete indictment of the man who presides over all of it.
Nail on head. :thumbsup:
we should have 16-18 senior players with academy players filling in if suspension/injuries etc - instead we have reserve players earning £10k-£15k a week never playing - crazy use of money

any academy player should be able to step in as 2nd or 3rd choice, not saying that he should dominate a game, but he should be of a quality where the first team players can carry him through the game without looking lost
Exactly. Delia stated he wanted a smaller squad and no loans and what did we get? Money wasted on journey men and players not good enough to get a game and a squad so unbalanced we have midfielders falling over each other whilst we are shampoo scared our one decent striker gets injured. This is Lawwell's doing because it certainly wasn't the managers wish not matter how much he tries to defend hiM.
Edited by lenobhoy, 13 May 2016, 10:17 AM.
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shugmc
13 May 2016, 10:02 AM
Looks like Lawwell's three day smarm offensive in the press has been a complete disaster. Genius move, Peter. Well done :theclap:
Yep, I don't think a bigger balls up could have been made if you planned it to be an utter failure.
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shugmc
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Looks like Lawwell's three day smarm offensive in the press has been a complete disaster. Genius move, Peter. Well done :theclap:
Yep, I don't think a bigger balls up could have been made if you planned it to be an utter failure.
Also think he is excusing himself from an unpopular managerial appointment. The comment about the board appointment the manager not him stinks of Lawwell washing his hands of a Keane appointment from Dermott.
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In all the press interviews with Lawwell and Deila over the past week, I don't think John Park's name has been mentioned once. I find that curious.

I don't know the man, have nothing against him personally. He has been there for 10 years now and holds the post of Football Development Manager. A role which it seems has never really ever been fully defined, at least in terms of his total reach and influence.

I formed the impression some time back that this guy, no matter how many football matches he watches, no matter how long his involvement with professional clubs, is pretty deficient in assessing the merits of players. Sure, there have been successes. But there has also been a litany of truly inexplicable recruits stretching back to Ben Hutchinson. That's 28 year old Ben Hutchinson of Basford United, who ply their trade in the Northern Premier League Division One South.

I think a proper Director of Football would rip to shreds what passes for standards at Celtic on the footballing side and also wouldn't take long in telling Lawwell what he thought of his player recruitment model.
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12 May 2016, 01:41 PM

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we should have 16-18 senior players with academy players filling in if suspension/injuries etc - instead we have reserve players earning £10k-£15k a week never playing - crazy use of money

any academy player should be able to step in as 2nd or 3rd choice, not saying that he should dominate a game, but he should be of a quality where the first team players can carry him through the game without looking lost
16-18 isn't enough if your even half serious about winning things and not getting horsed in Europe. with 16 senior players plus academy you could easily be in a run of 2 games a week for weeks on end with a team full of kids playing CL and going to places like Tynecastle, Pittodrie etc, it needs to be more like 21-22 senior players supported by some quality youngsters who may or may not go onto make it with Celtic but can do a job short term.

As an aside what the board have created is apathy and that's harder to turn around than anger, the place will be pretty full on Sunday until the trophy gets lifted but I'd be surprised if a good amount bother with the lap of 'honour'
First 11 + one senior central back + one senior wing back + one senior central midfielder + one senior central winger + one senior central striker - then either add a senior goalie if the youth one isn't good enough (+another) or two senior players of your choice

18 should be more than enough, but lets say 20 then - you take the other 20 senior players we have, who (I'm guessing) is on £10k a week - that is £200k a week we are using on nothing, where we could use youngster that we have already at the club - lets say that we let 25 senior players leave, we would have £250k a week free, if we then went and signed 5 new players on bosmans on £30k a week, we would still have £100k free every week or above £5m a year without and that is with a stronger squad
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