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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,650 Views)
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I'd be surprised if he goes , because he is on to a good thing here , running the show , making plenty of money for himself . He is a multi millionaire . Would you ? .
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"Lenny"
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Last nights great result* might have a large impact on the Celtic board room if the Lawwell interview story that I've ( and many others ) have heard.


*Up the Black Cats :rocker:
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More BS from our esteemed CEO.
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remy mcswain
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11 May 2016, 10:05 PM
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11 May 2016, 04:41 PM

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Why is it so bad? He is the boss in a large business and surely the boss should get top dollar. If he is doing a bad job then sack him ( I would go for this option) but while he is in the position he is he deserves his cash. It is business at the end of the day.
In what way does he "deserve" £1m pa? It is not the going rate for a CEO for a business of our size.
I think the board reward him for the fantastic value he gets for our outgoing stars and his commercial nous.

No matter what anyone says, in business terms, if I hire someone at £1m and he adds value of £1.1m then he is worth £1m.

It looks like his role may be being diluted in line with this thinking.

The interesting hypothetical question then is, if he was happy to be ring fenced to commercial duties where he clearly shows that he generates more than he costs would we want to keep him on his current terms or is it personal?
Edited by Adam Smith 11, 12 May 2016, 10:11 AM.
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I have a impecable source that the new Celtic CEO will be Martin Darroch.

Not a big shock as he's been tipped up for a few years to be the replacement.

Tried to get a sniff on who the manager will be but no luck.
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So Peter is saying that there is an inherent conflict between development and the short terms demands that a Celtic manager has to meet, it's a bit like learning how to fly a plane by flying a plane for the first time.If Celtic want both things,it might be a good idea to seperate the roles with someone to develop the football club and a guy who has the task of winning from week to week.We can't afford another Ted Stryker or it could end in disaster :naught:
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the_cannelloni_of_charisma
12 May 2016, 10:12 AM
I have a impecable source that the new Celtic CEO will be Martin Darroch.

Not a big shock as he's been tipped up for a few years to be the replacement.

Tried to get a sniff on who the manager will be but no luck.
A lawyer replacing an accountant.

Also I suspect a buddy of PL.

Can we not throw the net a bit wider than Glasgow and a coterie of networking professionals

Feckin jobs for the bhoys if true.
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the_cannelloni_of_charisma
12 May 2016, 10:12 AM
I have a impecable source that the new Celtic CEO will be Martin Darroch.

Not a big shock as he's been tipped up for a few years to be the replacement.

Tried to get a sniff on who the manager will be but no luck.
A lawyer replacing an accountant.

Also I suspect a buddy of PL.

Can we not throw the net a bit wider than Glasgow and a coterie of networking professionals

Feckin jobs for the bhoys if true.
My apologies another feckin management accountant :ffs:
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11 May 2016, 10:05 PM

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In what way does he "deserve" £1m pa? It is not the going rate for a CEO for a business of our size.
I think the board reward him for the fantastic value he gets for our outgoing stars and his commercial nous.

No matter what anyone says, in business terms, if I hire someone at £1m and he adds value of £1.1m then he is worth £1m.

It looks like his role may be being diluted in line with this thinking.

The interesting hypothetical question then is, if he was happy to be ring fenced to commercial duties where he clearly shows that he generates more than he costs would we want to keep him on his current terms or is it personal?
If they're judging him purely on getting big fees for VvD, FF, and Wanyama, then of course his salary is a worthwhile outlay.

However, the real picture should include every transfer in and out, and salaries. Then you'd have an accurate figure on which to base the judgement of PL's cost-effectiveness.

On top of that, you might also reasonably add his degree of responsibility in losing 2 years worth of CL revenue.

The value added by that £1m salary decreases pretty significantly when additional relevant factors are considered.
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honest jon
11 May 2016, 10:05 PM
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11 May 2016, 04:09 PM
If you took our CEOs wage as a percentage of the players wage budget I bet ours would be ridiculously high in comparison. Even to EPL clubs.
He's paid more than any player or manager at the club. That's a disgrace, and a large part why the club is run so badly.
Why is it so bad? He is the boss in a large business and surely the boss should get top dollar. If he is doing a bad job then sack him ( I would go for this option) but while he is in the position he is he deserves his cash. It is business at the end of the day.
The point is at no other club is the CEO paid more than they players and the manager nor would their wage as a percentage be as high in comparison to the overall wage bill.
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the_cannelloni_of_charisma
12 May 2016, 10:12 AM
I have a impecable source that the new Celtic CEO will be Martin Darroch.

Not a big shock as he's been tipped up for a few years to be the replacement.

Tried to get a sniff on who the manager will be but no luck.
My geography teacher (more than 40 years ago) was called Darroch

He was an effin psychopath

Just thought I'd share

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12 May 2016, 11:20 AM
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12 May 2016, 10:04 AM
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I think the board reward him for the fantastic value he gets for our outgoing stars and his commercial nous.

No matter what anyone says, in business terms, if I hire someone at £1m and he adds value of £1.1m then he is worth £1m.

It looks like his role may be being diluted in line with this thinking.

The interesting hypothetical question then is, if he was happy to be ring fenced to commercial duties where he clearly shows that he generates more than he costs would we want to keep him on his current terms or is it personal?
If they're judging him purely on getting big fees for VvD, FF, and Wanyama, then of course his salary is a worthwhile outlay.

However, the real picture should include every transfer in and out, and salaries. Then you'd have an accurate figure on which to base the judgement of PL's cost-effectiveness.

On top of that, you might also reasonably add his degree of responsibility in losing 2 years worth of CL revenue.

The value added by that £1m salary decreases pretty significantly when additional relevant factors are considered.
His KPIs/bonus triggers are agreed by who??

FFS we are a football club-that is the only KPI that really matters to the fans.

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Far less risible than yesterdays article. But looks like he's setting the stall out for Lennon.
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12 May 2016, 11:33 AM
Far less risible than yesterdays article. But looks like he's setting the stall out for Lennon.
Don't know if this is an exclusive but it isn't going to be Neil Lennon.
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Reading those Lawwell quotes the part about the Academy interested me. No one is suggesting there shouldn't be a link between the Academy and the first team. What is potentially more worrying is that Lawwell seems to be suggesting that we have appointed managers in the past who did not care for that link, at least as much as they should have.

The new manager should certainly care for that link. He will also clearly care for the fact that if players are not good enough then he's well within his rights not to have them in his first team.

There can't be a Celtic supporter left alive who does not understand that we can't spend big money. Even top of English Championship type money. That doesn't mean you have to end up in a situation where players like Carlton Cole are ever welcomed into the club at the stage of career he is at. That, frankly, is an indictment of the footballing department at the club, and the responsibility ultimately lies with the CEO.

He talks a lot about the culture being created. Signing cast offs like Carlton Cole creates a culture all of its own. Having a 30+ man squad creates a culture all of its own. None of it is any good.

We are a football club who will only currently be challenged in domestic cups because of their nature, and in Europe. Neither is working out well for us because the standards within the bit of the club that matters above all others, the footballing side, are not high enough.

After 13 years in post, that is a complete indictment of the man who presides over all of it.
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idyllwild
12 May 2016, 11:20 AM
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12 May 2016, 10:04 AM
remy mcswain
11 May 2016, 10:25 PM

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I think the board reward him for the fantastic value he gets for our outgoing stars and his commercial nous.

No matter what anyone says, in business terms, if I hire someone at £1m and he adds value of £1.1m then he is worth £1m.

It looks like his role may be being diluted in line with this thinking.

The interesting hypothetical question then is, if he was happy to be ring fenced to commercial duties where he clearly shows that he generates more than he costs would we want to keep him on his current terms or is it personal?
If they're judging him purely on getting big fees for VvD, FF, and Wanyama, then of course his salary is a worthwhile outlay.

However, the real picture should include every transfer in and out, and salaries. Then you'd have an accurate figure on which to base the judgement of PL's cost-effectiveness.

On top of that, you might also reasonably add his degree of responsibility in losing 2 years worth of CL revenue.

The value added by that £1m salary decreases pretty significantly when additional relevant factors are considered.
The way I tempered the question was asking, if you take the football management (player selection, squad management etc) side out of it and use his negotiating, commercial and regulatory skills then "going forward" then history tells us he will earn more than he costs us.

Rather than being the CEO he would be head of Commercial Operations thus using his subject matter expertise and skills far better. Like a player who has been played out of position is there a solution (assuming his ego allows) that doesn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The reason I ask is that there are clues that this maybe the direction the board are moving.
Edited by Adam Smith 11, 12 May 2016, 12:56 PM.
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12 May 2016, 12:00 PM
Reading those Lawwell quotes the part about the Academy interested me. No one is suggesting there shouldn't be a link between the Academy and the first team. What is potentially more worrying is that Lawwell seems to be suggesting that we have appointed managers in the past who did not care for that link, at least as much as they should have.

The new manager should certainly care for that link. He will also clearly care for the fact that if players are not good enough then he's well within his rights not to have them in his first team.

There can't be a Celtic supporter left alive who does not understand that we can't spend big money. Even top of English Championship type money. That doesn't mean you have to end up in a situation where players like Carlton Cole are ever welcomed into the club at the stage of career he is at. That, frankly, is an indictment of the footballing department at the club, and the responsibility ultimately lies with the CEO.

He talks a lot about the culture being created. Signing cast offs like Carlton Cole creates a culture all of its own. Having a 30+ man squad creates a culture all of its own. None of it is any good.

We are a football club who will only currently be challenged in domestic cups because of their nature, and in Europe. Neither is working out well for us because the standards within the bit of the club that matters above all others, the footballing side, are not high enough.

After 13 years in post, that is a complete indictment of the man who presides over all of it.
Nail on head. :thumbsup:
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12 May 2016, 09:03 AM
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The 3-2 Malmö game certainly was a game changer for the momentum that the team had going from the second half of Ronny's first season, with the defeat in Sweden killing it

Doing the first half we were playing attacking football on a (fairly) high lvl - I even had a hun mate texting me with "damn you are playing good football" which he normally won't do



The first half hour v Malmo is when it finally looked to have clicked for Ronny. We were outstanding, but typically with Ronny's teams all the good work was undone in the 2nd half.

That misplaced header by Brown and the goal from Berger knocked the stuffing out of us and the glass jaw appeared again when we restored our 2 goal advantage only for Effe to eff up with his marking at the corner. That game should have seen us out of sight and the second leg a meaningless game. Griffiths was also clean through at 2-0 up only to squander a good chance. Dems the fine margins.

Ronny didn't help himself and made plenty of mistakes but the set up we have, wasting money on poor scouting & purchases won't help the next manager if things ain't rectified.
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12 May 2016, 11:15 AM
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12 May 2016, 11:13 AM
the_cannelloni_of_charisma
12 May 2016, 10:12 AM
I have a impecable source that the new Celtic CEO will be Martin Darroch.

Not a big shock as he's been tipped up for a few years to be the replacement.

Tried to get a sniff on who the manager will be but no luck.
A lawyer replacing an accountant.

Also I suspect a buddy of PL.

Can we not throw the net a bit wider than Glasgow and a coterie of networking professionals

Feckin jobs for the bhoys if true.
My apologies another feckin management accountant :ffs:
Nothing wrong with having an accountant as CEO per se. The problem comes when that accountant decides he's also going to be Director of Football.
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