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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Mubo Loravcik
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11 May 2016, 09:50 PM
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With Sunderland staying up, is there any chance the rumours with Lawwell going there are true
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southern bhoy
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11 May 2016, 09:51 PM
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- Mubo Loravcik
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With Sunderland staying up, is there any chance the rumours with Lawwell going there are true 
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honest jon
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11 May 2016, 10:05 PM
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If you took our CEOs wage as a percentage of the players wage budget I bet ours would be ridiculously high in comparison. Even to EPL clubs.
He's paid more than any player or manager at the club. That's a disgrace, and a large part why the club is run so badly. Why is it so bad? He is the boss in a large business and surely the boss should get top dollar. If he is doing a bad job then sack him ( I would go for this option) but while he is in the position he is he deserves his cash. It is business at the end of the day.
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Zurawski 7
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11 May 2016, 10:17 PM
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Scottish Sun Sport @scotsunsport EXCLUSIVE: Lawwell on Deila..the job he did at Celts and why he's leaving. Only in tomorrows Scottish Sun and online
oh good. theres more to come
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remy mcswain
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11 May 2016, 10:25 PM
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If you took our CEOs wage as a percentage of the players wage budget I bet ours would be ridiculously high in comparison. Even to EPL clubs.
He's paid more than any player or manager at the club. That's a disgrace, and a large part why the club is run so badly.
Why is it so bad? He is the boss in a large business and surely the boss should get top dollar. If he is doing a bad job then sack him ( I would go for this option) but while he is in the position he is he deserves his cash. It is business at the end of the day. In what way does he "deserve" £1m pa? It is not the going rate for a CEO for a business of our size.
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11 May 2016, 10:27 PM
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- remy mcswain
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Why is it so bad? He is the boss in a large business and surely the boss should get top dollar. If he is doing a bad job then sack him ( I would go for this option) but while he is in the position he is he deserves his cash. It is business at the end of the day.
In what way does he "deserve" £1m pa? It is not the going rate for a CEO for a business of our size. This and the fact a large part of his wage apparently comes from 'bonuses' which he's done eff all to deserve.
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honest jon
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11 May 2016, 10:43 PM
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Why is it so bad? He is the boss in a large business and surely the boss should get top dollar. If he is doing a bad job then sack him ( I would go for this option) but while he is in the position he is he deserves his cash. It is business at the end of the day.
In what way does he "deserve" £1m pa? It is not the going rate for a CEO for a business of our size. The top paid executives do not always work for the largest companies remy, but you knew that already. The salary paid reflects on the employer and the employee. If the board agreed the salary based on targets that we can only guess at, then who are we to say he is overpaid. I mentioned in my previous post that I would not pay the salary he gets but then again I am not on the board and did not set his targets. Perhaps he is doing a great job in the eyes of the people who pay him!
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remy mcswain
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11 May 2016, 10:44 PM
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- honest jon
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In what way does he "deserve" £1m pa? It is not the going rate for a CEO for a business of our size.
The top paid executives do not always work for the largest companies remy, but you knew that already. The salary paid reflects on the employer and the employee. If the board agreed the salary based on targets that we can only guess at, then who are we to say he is overpaid. I mentioned in my previous post that I would not pay the salary he gets but then again I am not on the board and did not set his targets. Perhaps he is doing a great job in the eyes of the people who pay him! He is grossly overpaid.
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lenobhoy
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11 May 2016, 10:49 PM
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- honest jon
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In what way does he "deserve" £1m pa? It is not the going rate for a CEO for a business of our size.
The top paid executives do not always work for the largest companies remy, but you knew that already. The salary paid reflects on the employer and the employee. If the board agreed the salary based on targets that we can only guess at, then who are we to say he is overpaid. I mentioned in my previous post that I would not pay the salary he gets but then again I am not on the board and did not set his targets. Perhaps he is doing a great job in the eyes of the people who pay him! That is the most ridiculous thing I've read on here " If the board agreed the salary based on targets that we can only guess at, then who are we to say he is overpaid". He's certainly overpaid.
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Wee Ed KTF
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11 May 2016, 10:52 PM
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Scottish Sun Sport @scotsunsport EXCLUSIVE: Lawwell on Deila..the job he did at Celts and why he's leaving. Only in tomorrows Scottish Sun and online oh good. theres more to come Excellent. More words of wisdom from our arrogant, conceited, delusional, self-centred, self-serving, self-appointed DoF arsehole
I'm certain he'll convince all the doubters to renew their season tickets
Well played, Peter (to quote Paul)
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honest jon
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11 May 2016, 10:57 PM
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The top paid executives do not always work for the largest companies remy, but you knew that already. The salary paid reflects on the employer and the employee. If the board agreed the salary based on targets that we can only guess at, then who are we to say he is overpaid. I mentioned in my previous post that I would not pay the salary he gets but then again I am not on the board and did not set his targets. Perhaps he is doing a great job in the eyes of the people who pay him!
That is the most ridiculous thing I've read on here " If the board agreed the salary based on targets that we can only guess at, then who are we to say he is overpaid". He's certainly overpaid. Only on targets that you do not know. How can you make this assumption when you have no idea the targets he was set.
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echohead
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11 May 2016, 11:09 PM
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Any decent manager can come in and make that a solid team within weeks. Gordon Janko Joso Erik Tierney Roberts Brown/Bitton New CM McGregor Griffiths New Striker
That is a decent team - if we just stuck with it, instead of the endless over rotation of players, we'd get places
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Wanyerma
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11 May 2016, 11:23 PM
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- honest jon
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That is the most ridiculous thing I've read on here " If the board agreed the salary based on targets that we can only guess at, then who are we to say he is overpaid". He's certainly overpaid.
Only on targets that you do not know. How can you make this assumption when you have no idea the targets he was set. The targets he is set are clearly working against the quality of the team, so he and the board can ram their targets up their collective a-holes.
The targets are part of the problem. You incentivise a CEO to work against the main purpose of the organisation, you slowly destroy that organisation.
The man was rewarded for selling Lennon's CL achieving team from underneath him ffs.
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12 May 2016, 12:38 AM
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Wham! Bam! Mon chat splash!
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He seems more combative than usual and I hope that indicates that he is hearing to the criticism aimed at him.
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Sunny Jim Young
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12 May 2016, 12:40 AM
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Celtic are at a fork in the road.
We badly need leadership both on and off the pitch.
The guy who has made a complete arse of two out of the last three managerial appointments remains in charge.
So its hard to be optimistic.
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The Edge
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12 May 2016, 01:00 AM
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MALMO was a low blow.
Peter Lawwell insists Ronny Deila didn’t deserve to be sacked in Sweden for Celtic’s damaging Champions League exit.
However the Parkhead chief executive does admit the defeat was the beginning of the end for the Norwegian gaffer.
Deila is on his way out of Celtic on Sunday evening after accepting he is not good enough for the job.
Some supporters insist it is nine months later than it should have been after the embarrassing Euro KO last August.
But on day two of an exclusive interview with SunSport, Lawwell said: “Sitting here this time last year, we were feeling okay.
“We had won the League Cup along with the league and we felt we were making progress.
“We played really well towards the end of last season. So we felt pretty confident.
“Then Malmo came — and bang!
“That was the turning point. The pressure started to mount on the back of that.
“Supporters were disappointed, we were disappointed, pressure came from the media and from that point it was difficult for Ronny to recover.
“It became difficult to build and create. It reached the stage where our players couldn’t win going into games. They could only lose.
“There was only really relief when we won games and no real enjoyment.
“It was like a national disaster if we lost. That affected performances. There was a tension around the place.
“That in turn affected Ronny’s ability to really change the culture, because he had to win.
“It reached the stage where he came to us and said ‘Look, I’m a builder, a creator, and there’s a conflict here’.
“At the end of the day, I don’t think he was enjoying it.”
Asked directly if Deila should have been fired immediately after the Malmo defeat, Lawwell shook his head and added: “I think that would have been very unfair.
“It was fine lines. In the first leg we were 2-0 up, should have been 3-0 up, and then we had a goal disallowed over there. Who knows what would have happened?
“But making a change then would have been unfair. He’d just had a very successful year. We should have won the Treble.
“It would have been premature to have done anything at that point, particularly given our strategy.”
Deila was Lawwell’s appointment, with the Parkhead powerbroker forming a tight bond with the Norwegian.
He sensed for months Deila wanted out and, ultimately, agreed his time was up.
He added: “I am close to Ronny and we talk a lot. I knew there was a lot going on in his mind, just as there was in our minds in terms of what was going to happen next season.
“In the end, he came to the decision where he felt it would be beneficial for everyone to be clear on his future.
“That released the pressure valve and let everyone concentrate on winning the title.
“He said he felt that the end of the season was the time for him to go. We chatted about that, agreed on it, and I think it did work out for the best.
“The pressure was lifted from Ronny and his backroom team and the players knew what was happening — that we were going into a period of transition.
“Listen, it was a tough decision after a tough year for Ronny and everybody else at the club.
“I guess to understand it you have to go back to why he was here in the first place. You need to think ‘Where are we as a club?’.
“We have realised now for a long period of time that with the financial constraints of Scotland we need to do something different.
“We cannot afford to buy and pay for established Champions League players, so we decided that with the expectations still so high we had to try and meet them.
“Our ambition is always to win the league, get into the Champions League, get through the section and take it as far as we can go.
“It’s become more and more difficult to do that.
“When Neil Lennon was here we started to buy under-valued talent as well as bringing through our own. We could then move players on and reinvest.
“Lenny then decided to leave and Ronny came in as a manager with those strengths. He didn’t know about Celtic, just as no one truly does until they come here.
“Even when Lenny came, nothing prepared him for the intensity.
“What Ronny did have was a great ability to develop players. He did it in Norway, becoming a champion.
“We know people who gave him players who have a high regard for him. He fitted into our strategy in terms of create, build and add value, because you cannot buy.
“You can’t give up, you’ve got to have a strategy to make it, and that’s what we’ve done.”
Lawwell believes Deila’s legacy is with the players he helped improve — Kieran Tierney for one.
He added: “The prime objective going into every season is winning the league. So he has won two out of two and is an undefeated champion.
“He also keeps the ball rolling. It’s five in a row going into six.
“But look at the players he’s improved. Kieran Tierney was his creation.
“There was an improvement in Leigh Griffiths everyone can see. Nir Bitton has lost form lately, but he came on.
“Ronny brought a different culture to the club and we’ve learned a lot from what he’s brought here.
“Hopefully that will stand us in good stead when it comes to the selection of the new manager and how we go forward.
“But his legacy will hopefully see some of the younger players he has developed in the last two years make the breakthrough.
“There has to be a link between the academy and the first team and Ronny has helped bridge that.”
Deila will bow out of Celtic Park after his side play Motherwell.
Lawwell hopes that Hoops fans give him a send-off to remember.
He added: “Ronny is a fine, fine man and I think he’ll go on to become a very good coach somewhere else now.
“I hope he gets what he deserves on his last day here and I’m sure he will. The fans see the person he is.
“It’s been a tough year for him. It’s only 12 months ago we were fine, but he recognised it and did what was best, primarily for the club and secondary for himself.
“I’ve enjoyed working with him and we’ve learned a lot from him. I feel he’s learned a lot from working here.
“The very nature of football is that it’s cyclical and people come and people go.
“But the new guy will pick up a group of players in good shape.”
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Deila's Euro record KR REYKJAVIK 0 CELTIC 1 July 15 2014, CL qualifier, 2nd round, 1st leg
CELTIC 4 KR REYKJAVIK 0 July 22, CL qualifier, 2nd round, 2nd leg
LEGIA WARSAW 4 CELTIC 1 July 30, CL qualifier, 3rd round, 1st leg
CELTIC 0 LEGIA WARSAW 2* Aug 6, CL qualifier, 3rd round, 2nd leg
NK MARIBOR 1 CELTIC 1 Aug 20, CL qualifier, play-off round, 1st leg
CELTIC 0 NK MARIBOR 1 Aug 26, CL qualifier, play-off round, 2nd leg
SALZBURG 2 CELTIC 2 Sep 18, Europa League
CELTIC 1 DINAMO ZAGREB 0 Oct 2, Europa League
CELTIC 2 ASTRA 1 Oct 23, Europa League
ASTRA 1 CELTIC 1 Nov 6, Europa League
CELTIC 1 SALZBURG 3 Nov 27, Europa League
DINAMO ZAGREB 4 CELTIC 3 Dec 11, Europa League
CELTIC 3 INTER MILAN 3 Feb 19 2015, Europa League last 32, 1st leg
INTER MILAN 1, CELTIC 0 Feb 26, Europa League last 32, 2nd leg
CELTIC 2 STJARNAN 0 July 15, CL qualifier, 2nd round, 1st leg
STJARNAN 1 CELTIC 4 July 22, CL qualifier, 2nd round, 2nd leg
CELTIC 1 QARABAG 0 July 29, CL qualifier, 3rd round, 1st leg
QARABAG 0, CELTIC 0 Aug 5, CL qualifier, 3rd round, 2nd leg
CELTIC 3 MALMO 2 Aug 19, CL qualifier, play-off round, 1st leg
MALMO 2 CELTIC 0 Aug 25, CL qualifier, play-off round, 2nd leg
AJAX 2 CELTIC 2 Sep 17, Europa League
CELTIC 2 FENERBAHCE 2 Oct 1, Europa League
MOLDE 3 CELTIC 1 Oct 22, Europa League
CELTIC 1 MOLDE 2 Nov 5, Europa League
CELTIC 1 AJAX 2 Nov 26, Europa League
FENERBAHCE 1 CELTIC 1 Dec 10, Europa League
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Hoops For Me All The Way
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12 May 2016, 04:19 AM
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You want equality? Consider if that person feels Equal.
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It's all been rather disappointing. Peter. When it could rather have been lovely.
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12 May 2016, 05:51 AM
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- Mubo Loravcik
- 11 May 2016, 09:50 PM
With Sunderland staying up, is there any chance the rumours with Lawwell going there are true  A few weeks ago, I read a rumour about him going south--far south. Made me think of Southampton, given the dealings that the two clubs have had in recent times.
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12 May 2016, 09:00 AM
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The 3-2 Malmö game certainly was a game changer for the momentum that the team had going from the second half of Ronny's first season, with the defeat in Sweden killing it
Doing the first half we were playing attacking football on a (fairly) high lvl - I even had a hun mate texting me with "damn you are playing good football" which he normally won't do
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12 May 2016, 09:03 AM
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- 12 May 2016, 09:00 AM
The 3-2 Malmö game certainly was a game changer for the momentum that the team had going from the second half of Ronny's first season, with the defeat in Sweden killing it
Doing the first half we were playing attacking football on a (fairly) high lvl - I even had a hun mate texting me with "damn you are playing good football" which he normally won't do
The first half hour v Malmo is when it finally looked to have clicked for Ronny. We were outstanding, but typically with Ronny's teams all the good work was undone in the 2nd half.
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