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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,652 Views)
LoveCeltic
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Quiet Assasin
11 May 2016, 04:08 PM
LoveCeltic
11 May 2016, 04:07 PM
murphio
11 May 2016, 03:39 PM
As I have said on here many, many times - Lawwell's bonus does not appear to be linked to any performance indicator that I can see. Turnover down, full bonus. Debt up, full bonus. Profit down, full bonus. Drop in share price, full bonus. No Champions League, full bonus. No league title, full bonus. Not only that but on two occasions I can recall he was rewarded with even more money by the remuneration committee including a significant payment for 'positive transfer outcomes' which totally blew away any supposed impartiality he had when it came to selling players.
Is our turnover (before Europe) up or down on when he started?
Why does 'turnover (before Europe)'? The total performance of the club is not what it could or should be
It's just a question, I agree we are miles from where we should be.

If turnover is the same (or down possibly with current attendances) then in what other business would a CEO keep their job? Never mind get a bonus.
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LoveCeltic
11 May 2016, 04:11 PM
Quiet Assasin
11 May 2016, 04:08 PM
LoveCeltic
11 May 2016, 04:07 PM

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Why does 'turnover (before Europe)'? The total performance of the club is not what it could or should be
It's just a question, I agree we are miles from where we should be.

If turnover is the same (or down possibly with current attendances) then in what other business would a CEO keep their job? Never mind get a bonus.
Fair enough. I thought your post was implying that he should be judged positively as we shouldn't expect anything from Europe, as some Celtic fans seem to be brainwashed into believing.
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11 May 2016, 03:46 PM
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11 May 2016, 03:22 PM
idyllwild
11 May 2016, 02:05 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepJames Forrest / Celtic Blog

Lawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt
You admit there are numerous responsibilities of a CEO, yet you think he's a goner due to DD interfering in one aspect of his role?
I'm not sure how the two are related.

He has a multitude of things for which he is responsible - financial and otherwise. That's self-evident, it comes with the job title.

The other thing was just my reading of a single post on here by Mikey, and which he has since been expanded upon and probably makes my reading of it less valid.

But yes, if he'd actually been completely removed from the process to get a new manager, then I'd assume he was leaving.
Ok, thanks for that.

Makes more sense now :thumbsup:

I think in sponsorship terms he's done very well with some of the deals he's managed down the years with the likes of Nike, Magners, New Balance and now Dafabet.

It's just a shame he lost sight of what he was actually good at and made a total mess of the football side of things.
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11 May 2016, 03:54 PM
The only defence of Lawwell left seems to be the same defence that was weakly trod out by the last remaining defenders of Ronny a few months ago, "Aye, but if he goes - who will we get in? It'll just be somebody the same or even worse!"

Eventually - like Ronny - you just have to decide to pull the cord, and get rid of the waste. Lawwell's time is up. And all the Murray-esque PR exercise tabloid pieces won't save him now.
That's a fear for me, he's very good at some stuff. Lots of stuff in fact. Another Alan MacDonald type, appointing a Barnes without the ability to recover that we had back then could leave us in a terrible position now. I'd be happy for him to stay if he got out of football matters, assuming he's as involved as we mostly think.
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Quiet Assasin
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It's just a question, I agree we are miles from where we should be.

If turnover is the same (or down possibly with current attendances) then in what other business would a CEO keep their job? Never mind get a bonus.
Fair enough. I thought your post was implying that he should be judged positively as we shouldn't expect anything from Europe, as some Celtic fans seem to be brainwashed into believing.
Nah only excluded Europe as I imagine the prize money for Europe will have increased, which wouldn't have been our CEOs doing :thumbsup:

Not that we are getting it currently anyway.... :nono:
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LoveCeltic
11 May 2016, 04:11 PM
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LoveCeltic
11 May 2016, 04:07 PM

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Why does 'turnover (before Europe)'? The total performance of the club is not what it could or should be
It's just a question, I agree we are miles from where we should be.

If turnover is the same (or down possibly with current attendances) then in what other business would a CEO keep their job? Never mind get a bonus.
Too many, more's the pity. :(
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Everything at Celtic has been in decline - apart from the CEO's salary.
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Kingslim
11 May 2016, 04:13 PM
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11 May 2016, 03:46 PM
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11 May 2016, 03:22 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepJames Forrest / Celtic Blog

Lawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt
I'm not sure how the two are related.

He has a multitude of things for which he is responsible - financial and otherwise. That's self-evident, it comes with the job title.

The other thing was just my reading of a single post on here by Mikey, and which he has since been expanded upon and probably makes my reading of it less valid.

But yes, if he'd actually been completely removed from the process to get a new manager, then I'd assume he was leaving.
Ok, thanks for that.

Makes more sense now :thumbsup:

I think in sponsorship terms he's done very well with some of the deals he's managed down the years with the likes of Nike, Magners, New Balance and now Dafabet.

It's just a shame he lost sight of what he was actually good at and made a total mess of the football side of things.
Do you think these companies are bedazzled by his rhetoric and just hand us dosh?

It's a massive brand with a global fanbase they can get for a fraction of the price they get an EPL club for. Getting sponsors for Celtic is a slam dunk.
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LoveCeltic
11 May 2016, 04:09 PM
If you took our CEOs wage as a percentage of the players wage budget I bet ours would be ridiculously high in comparison. Even to EPL clubs.
He's paid more than any player or manager at the club. That's a disgrace, and a large part why the club is run so badly.
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Whats the general feeling on other messageboards CQN Huddleboard etc??
Anyone still backing our CEO?
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11 May 2016, 04:41 PM
LoveCeltic
11 May 2016, 04:09 PM
If you took our CEOs wage as a percentage of the players wage budget I bet ours would be ridiculously high in comparison. Even to EPL clubs.
He's paid more than any player or manager at the club. That's a disgrace, and a large part why the club is run so badly.
Yes, that is utterly bonkers.
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murphio
11 May 2016, 03:53 PM
I think it's also worth remembering that even though Desmond picked Strachan, 2005 was around the time when Lawwell's role became much more hands on when it came to building a scouting network and signing players. It was he who sidelined Ray Clarke in favour of John Park. It was he who had final say on players and their worth - turning down Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and selling Kenny Miller, a player Strachan wanted to keep. It was clear then he had assumed a de facto Director of Football role and his salary began to reflect it (including the payment for the aforementioned 'positive transfer outcomes)'. Deila was Lawwell's boy - and I think the fact the decision has now been completely taken out of hands tells me (hopefully) that we are seeing the beginning of the end of Bullet Proof Pete.
I remember a presser round the time that Beckham was briefly linked to a loan (obviously made up pish) and wgs was asked about it
Wgs reply was " jeez, u wanna give Peter a heart attack! "
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pads99
11 May 2016, 05:01 PM
Whats the general feeling on other messageboards CQN Huddleboard etc??
Anyone still backing our CEO?
CQN, or the folk that write for them, effing love him. Doubt much has changed since I last visited.

Not even KDS is totally against him. Our very own Celtic Wiki editor didn't like when the 'Sack the board(?)' banner was unfurled at an away game a few months back.

It's a shame, really. Most seem content as long as we're just a wee bit better than the Huns.
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the celtictv interview will be available tomorrow. wonder if it will be just the same
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11 May 2016, 05:59 PM
the celtictv interview will be available tomorrow. wonder if it will be just the same
It's hardly going to be effing Frost v Nixon, is it?
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11 May 2016, 05:59 PM
the celtictv interview will be available tomorrow. wonder if it will be just the same
Doubt it!

It will be even more banging the Lawwell drum because it is the club media.
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11 May 2016, 05:59 PM
the celtictv interview will be available tomorrow. wonder if it will be just the same
"Celtic family", "Together", "Old Firm", "Money there for the right player".

Get your Lawwell bingo card ready.
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11 May 2016, 01:20 PM
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11 May 2016, 01:06 PM
James Forrest / Celtic Blog

Lawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt
What is the viable financial alternative to the current business strategy?

Celtic are downsizing not through political desire to do so but a reflection of the financial contraints that we operate within.

Does Peter get paid a lot? Yes. Does he do a perfect job? No.

These are different issues from whether the current business model sustainable and sensible going forward.
The current business strategy hat seeing more empty seats each week at CP ?

And also who is demanding that we spend £50M ?

I merely ask that the club is run better and we spend our money better. When we know that the game's up with the manager (which I know the board did after Molde) then replace him. Don't limp on in the hope that wel get away with it - culminating in the SC semi-final.

That interview was Succulent Lamb with Emerald Green Mint Sauce. Dreadful stuff.
Edited by Corky Buczek, 11 May 2016, 07:26 PM.
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murphio
11 May 2016, 04:18 PM
Everything at Celtic has been in decline - apart from the CEO's salary.
And the amount of League titles.
Edited by boozebhoy, 11 May 2016, 07:32 PM.
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http://www.theoffshoregame.net/the-uefa-licence-issue/

New post - worth a read
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