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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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LoveCeltic
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11 May 2016, 04:11 PM
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As I have said on here many, many times - Lawwell's bonus does not appear to be linked to any performance indicator that I can see. Turnover down, full bonus. Debt up, full bonus. Profit down, full bonus. Drop in share price, full bonus. No Champions League, full bonus. No league title, full bonus. Not only that but on two occasions I can recall he was rewarded with even more money by the remuneration committee including a significant payment for 'positive transfer outcomes' which totally blew away any supposed impartiality he had when it came to selling players.
Is our turnover (before Europe) up or down on when he started?
Why does 'turnover (before Europe)'? The total performance of the club is not what it could or should be It's just a question, I agree we are miles from where we should be.
If turnover is the same (or down possibly with current attendances) then in what other business would a CEO keep their job? Never mind get a bonus.
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Quiet Assasin
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11 May 2016, 04:12 PM
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Why does 'turnover (before Europe)'? The total performance of the club is not what it could or should be
It's just a question, I agree we are miles from where we should be. If turnover is the same (or down possibly with current attendances) then in what other business would a CEO keep their job? Never mind get a bonus. Fair enough. I thought your post was implying that he should be judged positively as we shouldn't expect anything from Europe, as some Celtic fans seem to be brainwashed into believing.
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11 May 2016, 04:13 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
You admit there are numerous responsibilities of a CEO, yet you think he's a goner due to DD interfering in one aspect of his role?
I'm not sure how the two are related. He has a multitude of things for which he is responsible - financial and otherwise. That's self-evident, it comes with the job title. The other thing was just my reading of a single post on here by Mikey, and which he has since been expanded upon and probably makes my reading of it less valid. But yes, if he'd actually been completely removed from the process to get a new manager, then I'd assume he was leaving. Ok, thanks for that.
Makes more sense now
I think in sponsorship terms he's done very well with some of the deals he's managed down the years with the likes of Nike, Magners, New Balance and now Dafabet.
It's just a shame he lost sight of what he was actually good at and made a total mess of the football side of things.
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11 May 2016, 04:16 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 03:54 PM
The only defence of Lawwell left seems to be the same defence that was weakly trod out by the last remaining defenders of Ronny a few months ago, "Aye, but if he goes - who will we get in? It'll just be somebody the same or even worse!"
Eventually - like Ronny - you just have to decide to pull the cord, and get rid of the waste. Lawwell's time is up. And all the Murray-esque PR exercise tabloid pieces won't save him now. That's a fear for me, he's very good at some stuff. Lots of stuff in fact. Another Alan MacDonald type, appointing a Barnes without the ability to recover that we had back then could leave us in a terrible position now. I'd be happy for him to stay if he got out of football matters, assuming he's as involved as we mostly think.
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11 May 2016, 04:16 PM
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It's just a question, I agree we are miles from where we should be. If turnover is the same (or down possibly with current attendances) then in what other business would a CEO keep their job? Never mind get a bonus.
Fair enough. I thought your post was implying that he should be judged positively as we shouldn't expect anything from Europe, as some Celtic fans seem to be brainwashed into believing. Nah only excluded Europe as I imagine the prize money for Europe will have increased, which wouldn't have been our CEOs doing
Not that we are getting it currently anyway....
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11 May 2016, 04:18 PM
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Why does 'turnover (before Europe)'? The total performance of the club is not what it could or should be
It's just a question, I agree we are miles from where we should be. If turnover is the same (or down possibly with current attendances) then in what other business would a CEO keep their job? Never mind get a bonus. Too many, more's the pity.
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murphio
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11 May 2016, 04:18 PM
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Everything at Celtic has been in decline - apart from the CEO's salary.
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11 May 2016, 04:26 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
I'm not sure how the two are related. He has a multitude of things for which he is responsible - financial and otherwise. That's self-evident, it comes with the job title. The other thing was just my reading of a single post on here by Mikey, and which he has since been expanded upon and probably makes my reading of it less valid. But yes, if he'd actually been completely removed from the process to get a new manager, then I'd assume he was leaving.
Ok, thanks for that. Makes more sense now I think in sponsorship terms he's done very well with some of the deals he's managed down the years with the likes of Nike, Magners, New Balance and now Dafabet. It's just a shame he lost sight of what he was actually good at and made a total mess of the football side of things. Do you think these companies are bedazzled by his rhetoric and just hand us dosh?
It's a massive brand with a global fanbase they can get for a fraction of the price they get an EPL club for. Getting sponsors for Celtic is a slam dunk.
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11 May 2016, 04:41 PM
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If you took our CEOs wage as a percentage of the players wage budget I bet ours would be ridiculously high in comparison. Even to EPL clubs. He's paid more than any player or manager at the club. That's a disgrace, and a large part why the club is run so badly.
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11 May 2016, 05:01 PM
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Whats the general feeling on other messageboards CQN Huddleboard etc?? Anyone still backing our CEO?
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11 May 2016, 05:03 PM
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If you took our CEOs wage as a percentage of the players wage budget I bet ours would be ridiculously high in comparison. Even to EPL clubs.
He's paid more than any player or manager at the club. That's a disgrace, and a large part why the club is run so badly. Yes, that is utterly bonkers.
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11 May 2016, 05:36 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 03:53 PM
I think it's also worth remembering that even though Desmond picked Strachan, 2005 was around the time when Lawwell's role became much more hands on when it came to building a scouting network and signing players. It was he who sidelined Ray Clarke in favour of John Park. It was he who had final say on players and their worth - turning down Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and selling Kenny Miller, a player Strachan wanted to keep. It was clear then he had assumed a de facto Director of Football role and his salary began to reflect it (including the payment for the aforementioned 'positive transfer outcomes)'. Deila was Lawwell's boy - and I think the fact the decision has now been completely taken out of hands tells me (hopefully) that we are seeing the beginning of the end of Bullet Proof Pete. I remember a presser round the time that Beckham was briefly linked to a loan (obviously made up pish) and wgs was asked about it Wgs reply was " jeez, u wanna give Peter a heart attack! "
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11 May 2016, 05:55 PM
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Whats the general feeling on other messageboards CQN Huddleboard etc?? Anyone still backing our CEO? CQN, or the folk that write for them, effing love him. Doubt much has changed since I last visited.
Not even KDS is totally against him. Our very own Celtic Wiki editor didn't like when the 'Sack the board(?)' banner was unfurled at an away game a few months back.
It's a shame, really. Most seem content as long as we're just a wee bit better than the Huns.
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11 May 2016, 05:59 PM
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the celtictv interview will be available tomorrow. wonder if it will be just the same
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11 May 2016, 06:09 PM
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the celtictv interview will be available tomorrow. wonder if it will be just the same It's hardly going to be effing Frost v Nixon, is it?
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11 May 2016, 06:11 PM
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the celtictv interview will be available tomorrow. wonder if it will be just the same Doubt it!
It will be even more banging the Lawwell drum because it is the club media.
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11 May 2016, 06:33 PM
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the celtictv interview will be available tomorrow. wonder if it will be just the same "Celtic family", "Together", "Old Firm", "Money there for the right player".
Get your Lawwell bingo card ready.
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11 May 2016, 07:20 PM
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James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
What is the viable financial alternative to the current business strategy? Celtic are downsizing not through political desire to do so but a reflection of the financial contraints that we operate within. Does Peter get paid a lot? Yes. Does he do a perfect job? No. These are different issues from whether the current business model sustainable and sensible going forward. The current business strategy hat seeing more empty seats each week at CP ?
And also who is demanding that we spend £50M ?
I merely ask that the club is run better and we spend our money better. When we know that the game's up with the manager (which I know the board did after Molde) then replace him. Don't limp on in the hope that wel get away with it - culminating in the SC semi-final.
That interview was Succulent Lamb with Emerald Green Mint Sauce. Dreadful stuff.
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11 May 2016, 07:26 PM
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Everything at Celtic has been in decline - apart from the CEO's salary. And the amount of League titles.
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11 May 2016, 07:35 PM
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http://www.theoffshoregame.net/the-uefa-licence-issue/
New post - worth a read
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