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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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carryondoc
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11 May 2016, 02:50 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
No.
You sure about that are you? What parameters do you think his job are measured by since you disagree? Managerial appointments / quality of squad / success on the pitch - these things not have any bearing..?
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11 May 2016, 02:54 PM
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What a tit.
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11 May 2016, 03:02 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 01:25 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 01:20 PM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
No, they're not. The CEO is incentivised to buy players to sell on for profit. No coincidence then that he's been filling the team with projects in the hope he can do another Wanyama. His remuneration package is in conflict with our primary purpose, to build a team.
The financial performance of the club will always be how anyone in his positions performance will be measured. No? For running a football club?
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11 May 2016, 03:05 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 02:50 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 01:55 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 01:51 PM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
You sure about that are you? What parameters do you think his job are measured by since you disagree?
Managerial appointments / quality of squad / success on the pitch - these things not have any bearing..? The purpose of a football club is to win as many trophies as it can.
No way, no how is our current strategy designed to do that.
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11 May 2016, 03:14 PM
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Anyone see that vertically challenged pornographer, David Gold (W.Ham chairman) on sky last night? Other than looking like he was doing an impersonation of Tyrion from G.O.T. he did say one telling thing.
Asked about Payet (sp?), he said that while most clubs saw the signing of players as a business, West Ham saw it as the business of building a football team. Most teams wont sign players under 25 years old, he said, we're not in a position to do that, we need to sign players that'll come in and improve the first eleven.
For a fannybaws, he actually talked a little sense. Unlike SPLOB, who's just a fannybaws
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11 May 2016, 03:20 PM
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A decent interviewer would ask him to explain where the 'blue chip' signings went. Being generous, we made about three of them in the Lawwell era (Gravesen being one) but that phrase was continuously thrown in front of us as if it was always a possibility. Now the rhetoric has shifted to talk about spending £10m when even a cursory glance at the balance sheet shows that we've spent eff all comparative to what we've got in.
If we're spending £10m a year then we would have effectively operated on a loss without getting rid of players (Wanyama, Forster, Hooper, VVD, etc). In that sense Lawwell hasn't even lived up to his own effing promise.
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11 May 2016, 03:22 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 01:51 PM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
You sure about that are you? What parameters do you think his job are measured by since you disagree?
Absolutely sure about that, aye. A CEO will have responsibility for operational targets, health & safety targets, employee targets, customer ST targets, loads of things. And there'll be different measures applicable in dealing with different groups of (sorry) stakeholders. You admit there are numerous responsibilities of a CEO, yet you think he's a goner due to DD interfering in one aspect of his role?
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11 May 2016, 03:30 PM
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James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
What is the viable financial alternative to the current business strategy? Celtic are downsizing not through political desire to do so but a reflection of the financial contraints that we operate within. Does Peter get paid a lot? Yes. Does he do a perfect job? No. These are different issues from whether the current business model sustainable and sensible going forward. I think there are two separate questions here:
(1) Is the current strategy - broadly - of living within our means (i.e. not relying on bank finance) and developing players to sell the right strategy for a club in our financial and geographic circumstances? In my view, it is. There will of course be times when we see value in signing an older player with no re-sale value or times when we decide that a player who it might make economic sense to sell is too important to the team etc etc. But I think that is the right strategy in broad terms.
(2) Is that strategy being implemented well? This is probably the more important question. In my view, the success of our current strategy stands and falls almost entirely on the quality of our scouting and player recruitment. The simple fact is that since Lennon's second season, our recruitment has been largely awful. No one thinks we could or should spend £40-£50 million. I doubt anyone even thinks we should have a net spend in excess of £10 million. But we certainly shouldn't be spending £1-£2 million a pop on a succession of players like Pukki, Scepovic, Ciftci etc.
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11 May 2016, 03:38 PM
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Wouldn't consider giving them another penny when clowns like him remain at the helm.
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11 May 2016, 03:39 PM
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As I have said on here many, many times - Lawwell's bonus does not appear to be linked to any performance indicator that I can see. Turnover down, full bonus. Debt up, full bonus. Profit down, full bonus. Drop in share price, full bonus. No Champions League, full bonus. No league title, full bonus. Not only that but on two occasions I can recall he was rewarded with even more money by the remuneration committee including a significant payment for 'positive transfer outcomes' which totally blew away any supposed impartiality he had when it came to selling players.
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11 May 2016, 03:46 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
Absolutely sure about that, aye. A CEO will have responsibility for operational targets, health & safety targets, employee targets, customer ST targets, loads of things. And there'll be different measures applicable in dealing with different groups of (sorry) stakeholders.
You admit there are numerous responsibilities of a CEO, yet you think he's a goner due to DD interfering in one aspect of his role? I'm not sure how the two are related.
He has a multitude of things for which he is responsible - financial and otherwise. That's self-evident, it comes with the job title.
The other thing was just my reading of a single post on here by Mikey, and which he has since been expanded upon and probably makes my reading of it less valid.
But yes, if he'd actually been completely removed from the process to get a new manager, then I'd assume he was leaving.
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The PL article read to me these two things.
1 - He's under considerable pressure, so done the interview to win back some support from fans (though f*cked it).
2 - Unfortunately, the considerable pressure he's under is not yet enough to leave his position.
A few more banner displays directed at him should be in good order, I think.
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James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
What is the viable financial alternative to the current business strategy? Celtic are downsizing not through political desire to do so but a reflection of the financial contraints that we operate within. Does Peter get paid a lot? Yes. Does he do a perfect job? No. These are different issues from whether the current business model sustainable and sensible going forward.
I think there are two separate questions here: (1) Is the current strategy - broadly - of living within our means (i.e. not relying on bank finance) and developing players to sell the right strategy for a club in our financial and geographic circumstances? In my view, it is. There will of course be times when we see value in signing an older player with no re-sale value or times when we decide that a player who it might make economic sense to sell is too important to the team etc etc. But I think that is the right strategy in broad terms. (2) Is that strategy being implemented well? This is probably the more important question. In my view, the success of our current strategy stands and falls almost entirely on the quality of our scouting and player recruitment. The simple fact is that since Lennon's second season, our recruitment has been largely awful. No one thinks we could or should spend £40-£50 million. I doubt anyone even thinks we should have a net spend in excess of £10 million. But we certainly shouldn't be spending £1-£2 million a pop on a succession of players like Pukki, Scepovic, Ciftci etc. Absolutely spot on.
Our strategy is generally fine. It's the operation of it by the people in situ - Deila, Lawwell, and Park - which is the problem (to various degrees).
We shouldn't need, or want, DD to bankroll us. We should just be a lot better at what we currently do.
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I think it's also worth remembering that even though Desmond picked Strachan, 2005 was around the time when Lawwell's role became much more hands on when it came to building a scouting network and signing players. It was he who sidelined Ray Clarke in favour of John Park. It was he who had final say on players and their worth - turning down Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink and selling Kenny Miller, a player Strachan wanted to keep. It was clear then he had assumed a de facto Director of Football role and his salary began to reflect it (including the payment for the aforementioned 'positive transfer outcomes)'. Deila was Lawwell's boy - and I think the fact the decision has now been completely taken out of hands tells me (hopefully) that we are seeing the beginning of the end of Bullet Proof Pete.
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The only defence of Lawwell left seems to be the same defence that was weakly trod out by the last remaining defenders of Ronny a few months ago, "Aye, but if he goes - who will we get in? It'll just be somebody the same or even worse!"
Eventually - like Ronny - you just have to decide to pull the cord, and get rid of the waste. Lawwell's time is up. And all the Murray-esque PR exercise tabloid pieces won't save him now.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
I think there are two separate questions here: (1) Is the current strategy - broadly - of living within our means (i.e. not relying on bank finance) and developing players to sell the right strategy for a club in our financial and geographic circumstances? In my view, it is. There will of course be times when we see value in signing an older player with no re-sale value or times when we decide that a player who it might make economic sense to sell is too important to the team etc etc. But I think that is the right strategy in broad terms. (2) Is that strategy being implemented well? This is probably the more important question. In my view, the success of our current strategy stands and falls almost entirely on the quality of our scouting and player recruitment. The simple fact is that since Lennon's second season, our recruitment has been largely awful. No one thinks we could or should spend £40-£50 million. I doubt anyone even thinks we should have a net spend in excess of £10 million. But we certainly shouldn't be spending £1-£2 million a pop on a succession of players like Pukki, Scepovic, Ciftci etc.
Absolutely spot on. Our strategy is generally fine. It's the operation of it by the people in situ - Deila, Lawwell, and Park - which is the problem (to various degrees). We shouldn't need, or want, DD to bankroll us. We should just be a lot better at what we currently do. It is fine to an extent.
PL has basically admitted we are no longer a big player. Fair enough, but then why do we still have the infrastructure of one? Our squad is too big, for one. His remuneration is a disgrace for a club of our size too.
Lawwell wants his cake and wants to eat it too.
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11 May 2016, 03:58 PM
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Let him eat mars bars.
Preferably hurled t'wards his greasy fat pus, at a fair ould velocity
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As I have said on here many, many times - Lawwell's bonus does not appear to be linked to any performance indicator that I can see. Turnover down, full bonus. Debt up, full bonus. Profit down, full bonus. Drop in share price, full bonus. No Champions League, full bonus. No league title, full bonus. Not only that but on two occasions I can recall he was rewarded with even more money by the remuneration committee including a significant payment for 'positive transfer outcomes' which totally blew away any supposed impartiality he had when it came to selling players. Is our turnover (before Europe) up or down on when he started?
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As I have said on here many, many times - Lawwell's bonus does not appear to be linked to any performance indicator that I can see. Turnover down, full bonus. Debt up, full bonus. Profit down, full bonus. Drop in share price, full bonus. No Champions League, full bonus. No league title, full bonus. Not only that but on two occasions I can recall he was rewarded with even more money by the remuneration committee including a significant payment for 'positive transfer outcomes' which totally blew away any supposed impartiality he had when it came to selling players.
Is our turnover (before Europe) up or down on when he started? Why does 'turnover (before Europe)'? The total performance of the club is not what it could or should be
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep James Forrest / Celtic BlogLawwell To The Celtic Fans: Eat A Bag Of Dirt It didn’t take long for the optimism to end. For hopes that we were looking at a revolution at Parkhead to be dashed.
Those who were waiting, breathlessly, on Word From On High got it last night when our club’s CEO finally broke his media silence by giving an interview to the rag which lied for 27 years about the Hillsborough dead.
Just days after those people were honoured at Celtic Park, Peter Lawwell chose to give that newspaper a sit-down interview about his “vision” for the club.
You know what it amounted to?
Celtic fans, eat a bag of dirt.
If you’ve yet to purchase your season ticket because you were waiting on answers you’ve got them now.
The Strategy which got us here will continue. The downsizing will go on. The new manager will have to assemble a squad to qualify for the Champions League with shirt buttons rather than serious cash. Any talk of the club “meeting us in the middle” – which I suggested yesterday – has been rejected out of hand.
Things will go on as before.
The interview contained not one single fact that would inspire any supporter; instead we got his usual protestations and sickening tripe about how he “loves the club” and doesn’t stay here for the money. An easy thing to say when you earned north of £1 million last year.
Indeed, for much of the piece he wallows in self pity. It reads a lot like “poor misunderstood me … how hard my life is. But I get on with it. Somehow.”
The money helps. Obviously.
There’s no sign that he accepts an iota of responsibility for the car-crash season we’ve just had, or the disastrous managerial appointment that cost us millions in lost revenues from our Champions League failures.
He says he’s had the chance to go elsewhere and make even more money; what did I tell you when those stories broke about Sunderland’s interest in the run-up to the cup game? This was Peter getting his excuse in, so he could tell us all he stayed when he had a better offer.
He might have got away with it too, except some of us saw it coming a mile off.
It’s not that I don’t believe there was a concrete offer on the table for his services; I actually do. It’s just that it came from “an unknown agent, from an unknown club, from another universe.” If you get my drift.
Regardless of how he’s feted in the Scottish press most people south of the border realise we’re not heading in a positive direction; we’re surviving.
That’s about the best that can be said for us.
There’s no innovation, no original thinking.
The club only makes a profit at all when it can punt a top player every year.
There’s no genius to that. He’s not special. He’s a bog standard CEO with good PR skills and far too much influence at the club. Stripped of my attempt at humour, I don’t believe he’s worth his current salary and I don’t believe any other club would pay him it.
His interview today could only have come from someone of the utmost arrogance, completely divorced from the views in the stands.
In spite of suggestions in some quarters that this would be a ground-breaking announcement, which would give the fans hope, including on issues peripheral to the football side, like SFA governance and Resolution 12, the interview contained none of that at all.
Instead we got total silence on issues that matter, along with the absolute refusal to change course, the insult to many people of giving an interview to a discredited rag that lied about the Hillsborough dead, the appeal to respect him because he hasn’t left for more cash, the refusal to acknowledge mistakes or apologise, the promises of jam tomorrow, but not a lot.
If you were swithering, don’t be any longer.
You wanted answers, and you’ve got them.
Your choice is now pretty clear. Back the strategy and help him upgrade his indoor swimming pool, but know as you do that we’re hanging another manager out to dry before his feet are even under the table. No chance of proper money to spend. No changes to the structure. No difference in approach. Every mistake we’ve made thus far we’re going to continue to make into the future. At least we know now. At least it’s been spelled out to us.
If it looks like it and smells like it you surely don’t need to open your mouth and cram it in there to know what it is.
Peter’s message to Celtic fans is pretty clear; this is what’s on the menu.
Eat it or leave it.
No wonder he’s laughing in so many of the pictures.
Absolutely spot on. Our strategy is generally fine. It's the operation of it by the people in situ - Deila, Lawwell, and Park - which is the problem (to various degrees). We shouldn't need, or want, DD to bankroll us. We should just be a lot better at what we currently do.
It is fine to an extent. PL has basically admitted we are no longer a big player. Fair enough, but then why do we still have the infrastructure of one? Our squad is too big, for one. His remuneration is a disgrace for a club of our size too. Lawwell wants his cake and wants to eat it too. If you took our CEOs wage as a percentage of the players wage budget I bet ours would be ridiculously high in comparison. Even to EPL clubs.
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