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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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27 Apr 2016, 09:41 AM
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There was a depressing twitter exchange a few days ago which suggested that the board were at it with the Res 12 guys, and just stringing them along . Was it ever confirmed that there was a deadline for raising this with UEFA ? If so, anyone know what it was?
This is the response an internet bampot got to his e-mail this week !
https://twitter.com/2_celts/status/725109797230641152
another copy
https://twitter.com/2_celts/status/725089496555986944
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27 Apr 2016, 09:46 AM
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- 27 Apr 2016, 09:41 AM
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- 27 Apr 2016, 08:39 AM
There was a depressing twitter exchange a few days ago which suggested that the board were at it with the Res 12 guys, and just stringing them along . Was it ever confirmed that there was a deadline for raising this with UEFA ? If so, anyone know what it was?
This is the response an internet bampot got to his e-mail this week ! https://twitter.com/2_celts/status/725109797230641152 It's strange how the board calls fan pressure a 'sustained campaign'. Almost as if the fans are harassing them.
They are so out of touch it beggars belief sometimes.
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28 Apr 2016, 11:16 AM
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He twists, he turns, Tommy Burns...
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So - from eTims - this seems to be the latest on Res. 12.
Spoiler: click to toggle eTims - Celtic Diary Thursday April 28: SFA Reply On Resolution 12From Brogan Rogan Trevino, who opens the mail… At long last the SFA have actually replied to a letter from solicitors (sent last Wed),and it makes for very curious reading. It answers no direct questions concerning the main issue and seeks to avoid all questions. It states clearly that the SFA do not consider themselves answerable to the individual shareholders of Celtic PLC or the shareholders of any member club. It states that in 2011 the SFA fulfilled its licensing and UEFA monitoring functions fully and properly. It states that those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. You follow? However, it goes on to say that the SFA will co-operate in every way with any enquiry that should be opened by UEFA in the event of issues being raised by someone else. The letter arrived yesterday afternoon, was copied to Celtic PLC, and is only being considered today. If anyone thinks this brings matters to a conclusion they are ill informed. How does that old song go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZsI read that as we haven’t done anything wrong and we don’t have to explain ourselves to you anyway. But if UEFA asks us, then we will. Auldheid, another of the band dubbed “The Oldhuns with nae cash ” , added; The fat lady hasn’t even sprayed her throat never mind cleared it. For all SFA say they do not recognise shareholders, in replying they just have. One up to the fans. They are being made accountable but no reason now for Celtic not to takeover the mantle. In replying the SFA have brought their raison d’etre into question and clearly they and UEFA need to investigate, if only to ensure no holes in their process that let a club with tax so overdue it required SOs to call and collect 6 weeks after being cleared of having none, play in CL qualifier at end July. Had RFC beaten Malmo and qualified I very much doubt if Malmo would have stayed silent after 10 August especially as their opponents had a player that RFC paid for with the overdue tax money. This is an extremely serious good governance matter and it cannot be allowed to be swept under the carpet. As the CQN post says the response is still being digested, but Res12 asked for the licensing process in 2011 to be investigated. Celtic’s response based on partial answers to questions by the SFA to avoid the relevant date was that the resolution wasn’t necessary. That position in our view is no longer tenable. I hope supporters of other clubs will start asking their clubs if they support Res12 for if they do we can finally get SFA clear out then closure. The coming weeks will be crucial for the integrity of Scottish football. Celtic can now take up the battle, and indications are that they will. The volume of supporters who have registered their displeasure at their apparent inaction has bewildered the club, and they will react. I had a chat with someone yesterday, and was quite happy with how it went. There will be more on that later, but for now, it appears the club, the support, the shareholders can stop arguing amongst themselves, and focus their attention on the arrogance in that letter from the SFA. Especially this bit…. those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but thats irrelevant, because even if they were, they’d just change the rules to say they weren’t. Morally obliged ? Well, thats a wee bit different. Failure to report all the facts suggests that they may have something to hide. If everything was tickety boo, then why not come out and say so? To do that may restore a little faith in those who govern the game, who surely must be feeling a little bit of pressure as accusations are being made that they may not have been entirely honest in their applications of the rules. If they aren’t feeling any pressure, then that can only be because they genuinely don’t think they have a case to answer, and that in itself means that they really do see themselves as above the law, above accountability and beyond reproach. Not really how it should be, and not really how they would want to be seen. After the shennanigans of 2011, and the subsequent bending of rules, one would think the SFA would want to be open, would want to be honest and would want all those accusations dealt with, not only to show they are capable of good governance, but to show they have the games best interests at heart. A refusal to confirm that they acted correctly when submitting and confirming the application of Rangers ( 1872-2012) for entry into the Champions League suggests that they may have either deliberately or accidentally made an error. If they have nothing to hide, surely they should show that, and then we can all move on. Their own personal integrity, and the integrity of the governing body is being called into question, and it is simply not enough for them to answer this by saying “you can’t make me “ The thing is, they have to realise that somewhere down the line, someone is going to make them, and it would look an awful lot better if they held this enquiry of their own free will, because the longer they procrastinate, then the more it looks like they are afraid of what may be discovered. As a supporter with an interest in this issue, perhaps you could contact them and demand an enquiry into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers (1872-2012) You can ring them… email them or even write to them. Or all three. The Scottish Football Association 6th Floor, Hampden Park Glasgow G42 9AY Tel: 0141-616-6000 Fax: 0141-616-6001 info@scottishfa.co.uk Or you can go directly to Stewart Regan Regan hasn’t had his problems to seek since he joined the SFA. Here he has a chance to prove that his primary interest is in the well being of Scottish football. with a show of strength and leadership, leadership that the game is crying out for, he can show that he is a true leader, in chrge of an organisation we can all be proud of, an organisation to take the game forward under his stewardship. He has an opportunity to grasp a situation which i threatening to spiral out of his control and do untold damage to the game, not only in the yes of sponsors and investors, but in the eyes of supporters anywhere. By taking firm action, and doing what is right, he can show us that he is indeed a leader worthy of praise, and he can write his name firmly in tha annals of Scottish football with a legacy he can be proud of. He could be the man who restored our faith in an organisation that at the moment is seen as a little parochial, a little arrogant, and dare i whisper, a little corrupt… Or you could even tweet him… Give him encouragement, come on Stewart, show us what you can do ! sort this mess out, and show us there’s nothing to hide…. Point this out to him in your email, be nice, but be firm. Scottish football needs a leader-and Stewart has a chance to be that man. Scottish Football Association Stewart Regan Chief Executive Email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk Telephone 0141 616 6000 Website http://www.scottishfa.co.ukPersonal Twitter @StewartMRegan Celtic have taken notice of our concerns, and its all down to you guys who let them know how you feel. Contact Regan and the SFA. Be nice, after all, we want what they want, an honest game that we can be proud of. We want leaders we can trust, and if they have done nothing wrong, then show us, and then we can put all of this behind us and move on. You see, until we’re sure, until this niggling little doubt we have is erased, then we can’t move on. Its still their call, for now, so I’m sure they can be convinced to do the right thing. Now, with all the fuss over the possibility of dark and dastardly deeds way back when, it may have escaped you notice that theres a chance of winning the league this weekend. The fifth consecutive title, and as this hasn’t been done since 1971, its worth looking forward to, and its worth remembering that we aren’t here to chastise the SFA, or the club, or any of the individuals running the club. Not when there’s a game on, anyway. And its not going to be easy. All we have to do is give one performance on and off the park that secures the title. Whatever happens, nothing must get in the way of five in a row. If it does, the earliest we can hit the coveted ten is 2027, and i don’t know what I’ll be doing then, but it will almost certainly involve twenty four hour supervision. Celtic have let us down a few times this season, but so do all our friends and loved ones. Whats important is that we care enough to be angry, and we care enough to put it right when it matters. And we do it together. Starting at tynecastle.
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2 May 2016, 09:50 PM
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Daftybet being plugged as the "biggest ever sponsorship deal in Scottish football history". Lawwell looks dog rough in the accompanying pic.
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/14465488.Celtic_announce__biggest_ever_sponsorship_deal_in_Scottish_football_history_/?ref=ar
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2 May 2016, 10:43 PM
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£2.625M a year basic. Heavily incentivised if we qualify for the CL apparently.
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2 May 2016, 11:36 PM
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And that's the way we like it...
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Gambling on the front, bevvy on the back, and a team of spineless shi tebags in between. Way da go Pedro, Walfrid would be so proud...
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3 May 2016, 10:24 PM
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I'll take 2 of those feckin sheep giraffes please
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How can - Quote:
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those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season.
Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but that's irrelevant, because even if they were, they'd just change the rules to say they weren't.
hold given the UEFA requirements to ensure no overdue payables twice, once in March (or is it May) and once again in June? That is, how can the SFA change UEFA rules?
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4 May 2016, 12:37 PM
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£2.625M a year basic. Heavily incentivised if we qualify for the CL apparently. That is a fantastic effort in the current climate. Not a popular view I know, but this kind of deal we pay PL to deliver and this is exactly the thing he is better at than anyone else in Scotland.
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4 May 2016, 04:18 PM
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£2.625M a year basic. Heavily incentivised if we qualify for the CL apparently.
That is a fantastic effort in the current climate. Not a popular view I know, but this kind of deal we pay PL to deliver and this is exactly the thing he is better at than anyone else in Scotland. Except for eating pies.
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So - from eTims - this seems to be the latest on Res. 12. Spoiler: click to toggle eTims - Celtic Diary Thursday April 28: SFA Reply On Resolution 12From Brogan Rogan Trevino, who opens the mail… At long last the SFA have actually replied to a letter from solicitors (sent last Wed),and it makes for very curious reading. It answers no direct questions concerning the main issue and seeks to avoid all questions. It states clearly that the SFA do not consider themselves answerable to the individual shareholders of Celtic PLC or the shareholders of any member club. It states that in 2011 the SFA fulfilled its licensing and UEFA monitoring functions fully and properly. It states that those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. You follow? However, it goes on to say that the SFA will co-operate in every way with any enquiry that should be opened by UEFA in the event of issues being raised by someone else. The letter arrived yesterday afternoon, was copied to Celtic PLC, and is only being considered today. If anyone thinks this brings matters to a conclusion they are ill informed. How does that old song go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZsI read that as we haven’t done anything wrong and we don’t have to explain ourselves to you anyway. But if UEFA asks us, then we will. Auldheid, another of the band dubbed “The Oldhuns with nae cash ” , added; The fat lady hasn’t even sprayed her throat never mind cleared it. For all SFA say they do not recognise shareholders, in replying they just have. One up to the fans. They are being made accountable but no reason now for Celtic not to takeover the mantle. In replying the SFA have brought their raison d’etre into question and clearly they and UEFA need to investigate, if only to ensure no holes in their process that let a club with tax so overdue it required SOs to call and collect 6 weeks after being cleared of having none, play in CL qualifier at end July. Had RFC beaten Malmo and qualified I very much doubt if Malmo would have stayed silent after 10 August especially as their opponents had a player that RFC paid for with the overdue tax money. This is an extremely serious good governance matter and it cannot be allowed to be swept under the carpet. As the CQN post says the response is still being digested, but Res12 asked for the licensing process in 2011 to be investigated. Celtic’s response based on partial answers to questions by the SFA to avoid the relevant date was that the resolution wasn’t necessary. That position in our view is no longer tenable. I hope supporters of other clubs will start asking their clubs if they support Res12 for if they do we can finally get SFA clear out then closure. The coming weeks will be crucial for the integrity of Scottish football. Celtic can now take up the battle, and indications are that they will. The volume of supporters who have registered their displeasure at their apparent inaction has bewildered the club, and they will react. I had a chat with someone yesterday, and was quite happy with how it went. There will be more on that later, but for now, it appears the club, the support, the shareholders can stop arguing amongst themselves, and focus their attention on the arrogance in that letter from the SFA. Especially this bit…. those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but thats irrelevant, because even if they were, they’d just change the rules to say they weren’t. Morally obliged ? Well, thats a wee bit different. Failure to report all the facts suggests that they may have something to hide. If everything was tickety boo, then why not come out and say so? To do that may restore a little faith in those who govern the game, who surely must be feeling a little bit of pressure as accusations are being made that they may not have been entirely honest in their applications of the rules. If they aren’t feeling any pressure, then that can only be because they genuinely don’t think they have a case to answer, and that in itself means that they really do see themselves as above the law, above accountability and beyond reproach. Not really how it should be, and not really how they would want to be seen. After the shennanigans of 2011, and the subsequent bending of rules, one would think the SFA would want to be open, would want to be honest and would want all those accusations dealt with, not only to show they are capable of good governance, but to show they have the games best interests at heart. A refusal to confirm that they acted correctly when submitting and confirming the application of Rangers ( 1872-2012) for entry into the Champions League suggests that they may have either deliberately or accidentally made an error. If they have nothing to hide, surely they should show that, and then we can all move on. Their own personal integrity, and the integrity of the governing body is being called into question, and it is simply not enough for them to answer this by saying “you can’t make me “ The thing is, they have to realise that somewhere down the line, someone is going to make them, and it would look an awful lot better if they held this enquiry of their own free will, because the longer they procrastinate, then the more it looks like they are afraid of what may be discovered. As a supporter with an interest in this issue, perhaps you could contact them and demand an enquiry into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers (1872-2012) You can ring them… email them or even write to them. Or all three. The Scottish Football Association 6th Floor, Hampden Park Glasgow G42 9AY Tel: 0141-616-6000 Fax: 0141-616-6001 info@scottishfa.co.uk Or you can go directly to Stewart Regan Regan hasn’t had his problems to seek since he joined the SFA. Here he has a chance to prove that his primary interest is in the well being of Scottish football. with a show of strength and leadership, leadership that the game is crying out for, he can show that he is a true leader, in chrge of an organisation we can all be proud of, an organisation to take the game forward under his stewardship. He has an opportunity to grasp a situation which i threatening to spiral out of his control and do untold damage to the game, not only in the yes of sponsors and investors, but in the eyes of supporters anywhere. By taking firm action, and doing what is right, he can show us that he is indeed a leader worthy of praise, and he can write his name firmly in tha annals of Scottish football with a legacy he can be proud of. He could be the man who restored our faith in an organisation that at the moment is seen as a little parochial, a little arrogant, and dare i whisper, a little corrupt… Or you could even tweet him… Give him encouragement, come on Stewart, show us what you can do ! sort this mess out, and show us there’s nothing to hide…. Point this out to him in your email, be nice, but be firm. Scottish football needs a leader-and Stewart has a chance to be that man. Scottish Football Association Stewart Regan Chief Executive Email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk Telephone 0141 616 6000 Website http://www.scottishfa.co.ukPersonal Twitter @StewartMRegan Celtic have taken notice of our concerns, and its all down to you guys who let them know how you feel. Contact Regan and the SFA. Be nice, after all, we want what they want, an honest game that we can be proud of. We want leaders we can trust, and if they have done nothing wrong, then show us, and then we can put all of this behind us and move on. You see, until we’re sure, until this niggling little doubt we have is erased, then we can’t move on. Its still their call, for now, so I’m sure they can be convinced to do the right thing. Now, with all the fuss over the possibility of dark and dastardly deeds way back when, it may have escaped you notice that theres a chance of winning the league this weekend. The fifth consecutive title, and as this hasn’t been done since 1971, its worth looking forward to, and its worth remembering that we aren’t here to chastise the SFA, or the club, or any of the individuals running the club. Not when there’s a game on, anyway. And its not going to be easy. All we have to do is give one performance on and off the park that secures the title. Whatever happens, nothing must get in the way of five in a row. If it does, the earliest we can hit the coveted ten is 2027, and i don’t know what I’ll be doing then, but it will almost certainly involve twenty four hour supervision. Celtic have let us down a few times this season, but so do all our friends and loved ones. Whats important is that we care enough to be angry, and we care enough to put it right when it matters. And we do it together. Starting at tynecastle. Very much connected to Res12 which is heading to a satisfactory close.....
http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/
SFA Reform next.
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7 May 2016, 07:14 AM
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So - from eTims - this seems to be the latest on Res. 12. Spoiler: click to toggle eTims - Celtic Diary Thursday April 28: SFA Reply On Resolution 12From Brogan Rogan Trevino, who opens the mail… At long last the SFA have actually replied to a letter from solicitors (sent last Wed),and it makes for very curious reading. It answers no direct questions concerning the main issue and seeks to avoid all questions. It states clearly that the SFA do not consider themselves answerable to the individual shareholders of Celtic PLC or the shareholders of any member club. It states that in 2011 the SFA fulfilled its licensing and UEFA monitoring functions fully and properly. It states that those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. You follow? However, it goes on to say that the SFA will co-operate in every way with any enquiry that should be opened by UEFA in the event of issues being raised by someone else. The letter arrived yesterday afternoon, was copied to Celtic PLC, and is only being considered today. If anyone thinks this brings matters to a conclusion they are ill informed. How does that old song go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZsI read that as we haven’t done anything wrong and we don’t have to explain ourselves to you anyway. But if UEFA asks us, then we will. Auldheid, another of the band dubbed “The Oldhuns with nae cash ” , added; The fat lady hasn’t even sprayed her throat never mind cleared it. For all SFA say they do not recognise shareholders, in replying they just have. One up to the fans. They are being made accountable but no reason now for Celtic not to takeover the mantle. In replying the SFA have brought their raison d’etre into question and clearly they and UEFA need to investigate, if only to ensure no holes in their process that let a club with tax so overdue it required SOs to call and collect 6 weeks after being cleared of having none, play in CL qualifier at end July. Had RFC beaten Malmo and qualified I very much doubt if Malmo would have stayed silent after 10 August especially as their opponents had a player that RFC paid for with the overdue tax money. This is an extremely serious good governance matter and it cannot be allowed to be swept under the carpet. As the CQN post says the response is still being digested, but Res12 asked for the licensing process in 2011 to be investigated. Celtic’s response based on partial answers to questions by the SFA to avoid the relevant date was that the resolution wasn’t necessary. That position in our view is no longer tenable. I hope supporters of other clubs will start asking their clubs if they support Res12 for if they do we can finally get SFA clear out then closure. The coming weeks will be crucial for the integrity of Scottish football. Celtic can now take up the battle, and indications are that they will. The volume of supporters who have registered their displeasure at their apparent inaction has bewildered the club, and they will react. I had a chat with someone yesterday, and was quite happy with how it went. There will be more on that later, but for now, it appears the club, the support, the shareholders can stop arguing amongst themselves, and focus their attention on the arrogance in that letter from the SFA. Especially this bit…. those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but thats irrelevant, because even if they were, they’d just change the rules to say they weren’t. Morally obliged ? Well, thats a wee bit different. Failure to report all the facts suggests that they may have something to hide. If everything was tickety boo, then why not come out and say so? To do that may restore a little faith in those who govern the game, who surely must be feeling a little bit of pressure as accusations are being made that they may not have been entirely honest in their applications of the rules. If they aren’t feeling any pressure, then that can only be because they genuinely don’t think they have a case to answer, and that in itself means that they really do see themselves as above the law, above accountability and beyond reproach. Not really how it should be, and not really how they would want to be seen. After the shennanigans of 2011, and the subsequent bending of rules, one would think the SFA would want to be open, would want to be honest and would want all those accusations dealt with, not only to show they are capable of good governance, but to show they have the games best interests at heart. A refusal to confirm that they acted correctly when submitting and confirming the application of Rangers ( 1872-2012) for entry into the Champions League suggests that they may have either deliberately or accidentally made an error. If they have nothing to hide, surely they should show that, and then we can all move on. Their own personal integrity, and the integrity of the governing body is being called into question, and it is simply not enough for them to answer this by saying “you can’t make me “ The thing is, they have to realise that somewhere down the line, someone is going to make them, and it would look an awful lot better if they held this enquiry of their own free will, because the longer they procrastinate, then the more it looks like they are afraid of what may be discovered. As a supporter with an interest in this issue, perhaps you could contact them and demand an enquiry into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers (1872-2012) You can ring them… email them or even write to them. Or all three. The Scottish Football Association 6th Floor, Hampden Park Glasgow G42 9AY Tel: 0141-616-6000 Fax: 0141-616-6001 info@scottishfa.co.uk Or you can go directly to Stewart Regan Regan hasn’t had his problems to seek since he joined the SFA. Here he has a chance to prove that his primary interest is in the well being of Scottish football. with a show of strength and leadership, leadership that the game is crying out for, he can show that he is a true leader, in chrge of an organisation we can all be proud of, an organisation to take the game forward under his stewardship. He has an opportunity to grasp a situation which i threatening to spiral out of his control and do untold damage to the game, not only in the yes of sponsors and investors, but in the eyes of supporters anywhere. By taking firm action, and doing what is right, he can show us that he is indeed a leader worthy of praise, and he can write his name firmly in tha annals of Scottish football with a legacy he can be proud of. He could be the man who restored our faith in an organisation that at the moment is seen as a little parochial, a little arrogant, and dare i whisper, a little corrupt… Or you could even tweet him… Give him encouragement, come on Stewart, show us what you can do ! sort this mess out, and show us there’s nothing to hide…. Point this out to him in your email, be nice, but be firm. Scottish football needs a leader-and Stewart has a chance to be that man. Scottish Football Association Stewart Regan Chief Executive Email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk Telephone 0141 616 6000 Website http://www.scottishfa.co.ukPersonal Twitter @StewartMRegan Celtic have taken notice of our concerns, and its all down to you guys who let them know how you feel. Contact Regan and the SFA. Be nice, after all, we want what they want, an honest game that we can be proud of. We want leaders we can trust, and if they have done nothing wrong, then show us, and then we can put all of this behind us and move on. You see, until we’re sure, until this niggling little doubt we have is erased, then we can’t move on. Its still their call, for now, so I’m sure they can be convinced to do the right thing. Now, with all the fuss over the possibility of dark and dastardly deeds way back when, it may have escaped you notice that theres a chance of winning the league this weekend. The fifth consecutive title, and as this hasn’t been done since 1971, its worth looking forward to, and its worth remembering that we aren’t here to chastise the SFA, or the club, or any of the individuals running the club. Not when there’s a game on, anyway. And its not going to be easy. All we have to do is give one performance on and off the park that secures the title. Whatever happens, nothing must get in the way of five in a row. If it does, the earliest we can hit the coveted ten is 2027, and i don’t know what I’ll be doing then, but it will almost certainly involve twenty four hour supervision. Celtic have let us down a few times this season, but so do all our friends and loved ones. Whats important is that we care enough to be angry, and we care enough to put it right when it matters. And we do it together. Starting at tynecastle.
Very much connected to Res12 which is heading to a satisfactory close..... http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/ SFA Reform next. "Satisfactory", y'say?
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So - from eTims - this seems to be the latest on Res. 12. Spoiler: click to toggle eTims - Celtic Diary Thursday April 28: SFA Reply On Resolution 12From Brogan Rogan Trevino, who opens the mail… At long last the SFA have actually replied to a letter from solicitors (sent last Wed),and it makes for very curious reading. It answers no direct questions concerning the main issue and seeks to avoid all questions. It states clearly that the SFA do not consider themselves answerable to the individual shareholders of Celtic PLC or the shareholders of any member club. It states that in 2011 the SFA fulfilled its licensing and UEFA monitoring functions fully and properly. It states that those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. You follow? However, it goes on to say that the SFA will co-operate in every way with any enquiry that should be opened by UEFA in the event of issues being raised by someone else. The letter arrived yesterday afternoon, was copied to Celtic PLC, and is only being considered today. If anyone thinks this brings matters to a conclusion they are ill informed. How does that old song go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZsI read that as we haven’t done anything wrong and we don’t have to explain ourselves to you anyway. But if UEFA asks us, then we will. Auldheid, another of the band dubbed “The Oldhuns with nae cash ” , added; The fat lady hasn’t even sprayed her throat never mind cleared it. For all SFA say they do not recognise shareholders, in replying they just have. One up to the fans. They are being made accountable but no reason now for Celtic not to takeover the mantle. In replying the SFA have brought their raison d’etre into question and clearly they and UEFA need to investigate, if only to ensure no holes in their process that let a club with tax so overdue it required SOs to call and collect 6 weeks after being cleared of having none, play in CL qualifier at end July. Had RFC beaten Malmo and qualified I very much doubt if Malmo would have stayed silent after 10 August especially as their opponents had a player that RFC paid for with the overdue tax money. This is an extremely serious good governance matter and it cannot be allowed to be swept under the carpet. As the CQN post says the response is still being digested, but Res12 asked for the licensing process in 2011 to be investigated. Celtic’s response based on partial answers to questions by the SFA to avoid the relevant date was that the resolution wasn’t necessary. That position in our view is no longer tenable. I hope supporters of other clubs will start asking their clubs if they support Res12 for if they do we can finally get SFA clear out then closure. The coming weeks will be crucial for the integrity of Scottish football. Celtic can now take up the battle, and indications are that they will. The volume of supporters who have registered their displeasure at their apparent inaction has bewildered the club, and they will react. I had a chat with someone yesterday, and was quite happy with how it went. There will be more on that later, but for now, it appears the club, the support, the shareholders can stop arguing amongst themselves, and focus their attention on the arrogance in that letter from the SFA. Especially this bit…. those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but thats irrelevant, because even if they were, they’d just change the rules to say they weren’t. Morally obliged ? Well, thats a wee bit different. Failure to report all the facts suggests that they may have something to hide. If everything was tickety boo, then why not come out and say so? To do that may restore a little faith in those who govern the game, who surely must be feeling a little bit of pressure as accusations are being made that they may not have been entirely honest in their applications of the rules. If they aren’t feeling any pressure, then that can only be because they genuinely don’t think they have a case to answer, and that in itself means that they really do see themselves as above the law, above accountability and beyond reproach. Not really how it should be, and not really how they would want to be seen. After the shennanigans of 2011, and the subsequent bending of rules, one would think the SFA would want to be open, would want to be honest and would want all those accusations dealt with, not only to show they are capable of good governance, but to show they have the games best interests at heart. A refusal to confirm that they acted correctly when submitting and confirming the application of Rangers ( 1872-2012) for entry into the Champions League suggests that they may have either deliberately or accidentally made an error. If they have nothing to hide, surely they should show that, and then we can all move on. Their own personal integrity, and the integrity of the governing body is being called into question, and it is simply not enough for them to answer this by saying “you can’t make me “ The thing is, they have to realise that somewhere down the line, someone is going to make them, and it would look an awful lot better if they held this enquiry of their own free will, because the longer they procrastinate, then the more it looks like they are afraid of what may be discovered. As a supporter with an interest in this issue, perhaps you could contact them and demand an enquiry into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers (1872-2012) You can ring them… email them or even write to them. Or all three. The Scottish Football Association 6th Floor, Hampden Park Glasgow G42 9AY Tel: 0141-616-6000 Fax: 0141-616-6001 info@scottishfa.co.uk Or you can go directly to Stewart Regan Regan hasn’t had his problems to seek since he joined the SFA. Here he has a chance to prove that his primary interest is in the well being of Scottish football. with a show of strength and leadership, leadership that the game is crying out for, he can show that he is a true leader, in chrge of an organisation we can all be proud of, an organisation to take the game forward under his stewardship. He has an opportunity to grasp a situation which i threatening to spiral out of his control and do untold damage to the game, not only in the yes of sponsors and investors, but in the eyes of supporters anywhere. By taking firm action, and doing what is right, he can show us that he is indeed a leader worthy of praise, and he can write his name firmly in tha annals of Scottish football with a legacy he can be proud of. He could be the man who restored our faith in an organisation that at the moment is seen as a little parochial, a little arrogant, and dare i whisper, a little corrupt… Or you could even tweet him… Give him encouragement, come on Stewart, show us what you can do ! sort this mess out, and show us there’s nothing to hide…. Point this out to him in your email, be nice, but be firm. Scottish football needs a leader-and Stewart has a chance to be that man. Scottish Football Association Stewart Regan Chief Executive Email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk Telephone 0141 616 6000 Website http://www.scottishfa.co.ukPersonal Twitter @StewartMRegan Celtic have taken notice of our concerns, and its all down to you guys who let them know how you feel. Contact Regan and the SFA. Be nice, after all, we want what they want, an honest game that we can be proud of. We want leaders we can trust, and if they have done nothing wrong, then show us, and then we can put all of this behind us and move on. You see, until we’re sure, until this niggling little doubt we have is erased, then we can’t move on. Its still their call, for now, so I’m sure they can be convinced to do the right thing. Now, with all the fuss over the possibility of dark and dastardly deeds way back when, it may have escaped you notice that theres a chance of winning the league this weekend. The fifth consecutive title, and as this hasn’t been done since 1971, its worth looking forward to, and its worth remembering that we aren’t here to chastise the SFA, or the club, or any of the individuals running the club. Not when there’s a game on, anyway. And its not going to be easy. All we have to do is give one performance on and off the park that secures the title. Whatever happens, nothing must get in the way of five in a row. If it does, the earliest we can hit the coveted ten is 2027, and i don’t know what I’ll be doing then, but it will almost certainly involve twenty four hour supervision. Celtic have let us down a few times this season, but so do all our friends and loved ones. Whats important is that we care enough to be angry, and we care enough to put it right when it matters. And we do it together. Starting at tynecastle.
Very much connected to Res12 which is heading to a satisfactory close..... http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/ SFA Reform next. Satisfactory in what way ?
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So - from eTims - this seems to be the latest on Res. 12. Spoiler: click to toggle eTims - Celtic Diary Thursday April 28: SFA Reply On Resolution 12From Brogan Rogan Trevino, who opens the mail… At long last the SFA have actually replied to a letter from solicitors (sent last Wed),and it makes for very curious reading. It answers no direct questions concerning the main issue and seeks to avoid all questions. It states clearly that the SFA do not consider themselves answerable to the individual shareholders of Celtic PLC or the shareholders of any member club. It states that in 2011 the SFA fulfilled its licensing and UEFA monitoring functions fully and properly. It states that those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. You follow? However, it goes on to say that the SFA will co-operate in every way with any enquiry that should be opened by UEFA in the event of issues being raised by someone else. The letter arrived yesterday afternoon, was copied to Celtic PLC, and is only being considered today. If anyone thinks this brings matters to a conclusion they are ill informed. How does that old song go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZsI read that as we haven’t done anything wrong and we don’t have to explain ourselves to you anyway. But if UEFA asks us, then we will. Auldheid, another of the band dubbed “The Oldhuns with nae cash ” , added; The fat lady hasn’t even sprayed her throat never mind cleared it. For all SFA say they do not recognise shareholders, in replying they just have. One up to the fans. They are being made accountable but no reason now for Celtic not to takeover the mantle. In replying the SFA have brought their raison d’etre into question and clearly they and UEFA need to investigate, if only to ensure no holes in their process that let a club with tax so overdue it required SOs to call and collect 6 weeks after being cleared of having none, play in CL qualifier at end July. Had RFC beaten Malmo and qualified I very much doubt if Malmo would have stayed silent after 10 August especially as their opponents had a player that RFC paid for with the overdue tax money. This is an extremely serious good governance matter and it cannot be allowed to be swept under the carpet. As the CQN post says the response is still being digested, but Res12 asked for the licensing process in 2011 to be investigated. Celtic’s response based on partial answers to questions by the SFA to avoid the relevant date was that the resolution wasn’t necessary. That position in our view is no longer tenable. I hope supporters of other clubs will start asking their clubs if they support Res12 for if they do we can finally get SFA clear out then closure. The coming weeks will be crucial for the integrity of Scottish football. Celtic can now take up the battle, and indications are that they will. The volume of supporters who have registered their displeasure at their apparent inaction has bewildered the club, and they will react. I had a chat with someone yesterday, and was quite happy with how it went. There will be more on that later, but for now, it appears the club, the support, the shareholders can stop arguing amongst themselves, and focus their attention on the arrogance in that letter from the SFA. Especially this bit…. those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but thats irrelevant, because even if they were, they’d just change the rules to say they weren’t. Morally obliged ? Well, thats a wee bit different. Failure to report all the facts suggests that they may have something to hide. If everything was tickety boo, then why not come out and say so? To do that may restore a little faith in those who govern the game, who surely must be feeling a little bit of pressure as accusations are being made that they may not have been entirely honest in their applications of the rules. If they aren’t feeling any pressure, then that can only be because they genuinely don’t think they have a case to answer, and that in itself means that they really do see themselves as above the law, above accountability and beyond reproach. Not really how it should be, and not really how they would want to be seen. After the shennanigans of 2011, and the subsequent bending of rules, one would think the SFA would want to be open, would want to be honest and would want all those accusations dealt with, not only to show they are capable of good governance, but to show they have the games best interests at heart. A refusal to confirm that they acted correctly when submitting and confirming the application of Rangers ( 1872-2012) for entry into the Champions League suggests that they may have either deliberately or accidentally made an error. If they have nothing to hide, surely they should show that, and then we can all move on. Their own personal integrity, and the integrity of the governing body is being called into question, and it is simply not enough for them to answer this by saying “you can’t make me “ The thing is, they have to realise that somewhere down the line, someone is going to make them, and it would look an awful lot better if they held this enquiry of their own free will, because the longer they procrastinate, then the more it looks like they are afraid of what may be discovered. As a supporter with an interest in this issue, perhaps you could contact them and demand an enquiry into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers (1872-2012) You can ring them… email them or even write to them. Or all three. The Scottish Football Association 6th Floor, Hampden Park Glasgow G42 9AY Tel: 0141-616-6000 Fax: 0141-616-6001 info@scottishfa.co.uk Or you can go directly to Stewart Regan Regan hasn’t had his problems to seek since he joined the SFA. Here he has a chance to prove that his primary interest is in the well being of Scottish football. with a show of strength and leadership, leadership that the game is crying out for, he can show that he is a true leader, in chrge of an organisation we can all be proud of, an organisation to take the game forward under his stewardship. He has an opportunity to grasp a situation which i threatening to spiral out of his control and do untold damage to the game, not only in the yes of sponsors and investors, but in the eyes of supporters anywhere. By taking firm action, and doing what is right, he can show us that he is indeed a leader worthy of praise, and he can write his name firmly in tha annals of Scottish football with a legacy he can be proud of. He could be the man who restored our faith in an organisation that at the moment is seen as a little parochial, a little arrogant, and dare i whisper, a little corrupt… Or you could even tweet him… Give him encouragement, come on Stewart, show us what you can do ! sort this mess out, and show us there’s nothing to hide…. Point this out to him in your email, be nice, but be firm. Scottish football needs a leader-and Stewart has a chance to be that man. Scottish Football Association Stewart Regan Chief Executive Email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk Telephone 0141 616 6000 Website http://www.scottishfa.co.ukPersonal Twitter @StewartMRegan Celtic have taken notice of our concerns, and its all down to you guys who let them know how you feel. Contact Regan and the SFA. Be nice, after all, we want what they want, an honest game that we can be proud of. We want leaders we can trust, and if they have done nothing wrong, then show us, and then we can put all of this behind us and move on. You see, until we’re sure, until this niggling little doubt we have is erased, then we can’t move on. Its still their call, for now, so I’m sure they can be convinced to do the right thing. Now, with all the fuss over the possibility of dark and dastardly deeds way back when, it may have escaped you notice that theres a chance of winning the league this weekend. The fifth consecutive title, and as this hasn’t been done since 1971, its worth looking forward to, and its worth remembering that we aren’t here to chastise the SFA, or the club, or any of the individuals running the club. Not when there’s a game on, anyway. And its not going to be easy. All we have to do is give one performance on and off the park that secures the title. Whatever happens, nothing must get in the way of five in a row. If it does, the earliest we can hit the coveted ten is 2027, and i don’t know what I’ll be doing then, but it will almost certainly involve twenty four hour supervision. Celtic have let us down a few times this season, but so do all our friends and loved ones. Whats important is that we care enough to be angry, and we care enough to put it right when it matters. And we do it together. Starting at tynecastle.
Very much connected to Res12 which is heading to a satisfactory close..... http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/ SFA Reform next.
Satisfactory in what way ? Doing what Res12 was trying to acheive: UEFA formally being asked to investigate the 2011 UEFA licence process.
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Cool, that'll sort them right out. Uefa & Fifa are the perfect organisations to have investigate corruption.
You guys have worked tirelessly & deserve to have your day in court, respect!
Personally, I'm doubting it'll see a fair & proper outcome.
Apathy csc
Thanks for having the energy & optimism, that most do not. Kudos!
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Spoiler: click to toggle eTims - Celtic Diary Thursday April 28: SFA Reply On Resolution 12From Brogan Rogan Trevino, who opens the mail… At long last the SFA have actually replied to a letter from solicitors (sent last Wed),and it makes for very curious reading. It answers no direct questions concerning the main issue and seeks to avoid all questions. It states clearly that the SFA do not consider themselves answerable to the individual shareholders of Celtic PLC or the shareholders of any member club. It states that in 2011 the SFA fulfilled its licensing and UEFA monitoring functions fully and properly. It states that those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. You follow? However, it goes on to say that the SFA will co-operate in every way with any enquiry that should be opened by UEFA in the event of issues being raised by someone else. The letter arrived yesterday afternoon, was copied to Celtic PLC, and is only being considered today. If anyone thinks this brings matters to a conclusion they are ill informed. How does that old song go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZsI read that as we haven’t done anything wrong and we don’t have to explain ourselves to you anyway. But if UEFA asks us, then we will. Auldheid, another of the band dubbed “The Oldhuns with nae cash ” , added; The fat lady hasn’t even sprayed her throat never mind cleared it. For all SFA say they do not recognise shareholders, in replying they just have. One up to the fans. They are being made accountable but no reason now for Celtic not to takeover the mantle. In replying the SFA have brought their raison d’etre into question and clearly they and UEFA need to investigate, if only to ensure no holes in their process that let a club with tax so overdue it required SOs to call and collect 6 weeks after being cleared of having none, play in CL qualifier at end July. Had RFC beaten Malmo and qualified I very much doubt if Malmo would have stayed silent after 10 August especially as their opponents had a player that RFC paid for with the overdue tax money. This is an extremely serious good governance matter and it cannot be allowed to be swept under the carpet. As the CQN post says the response is still being digested, but Res12 asked for the licensing process in 2011 to be investigated. Celtic’s response based on partial answers to questions by the SFA to avoid the relevant date was that the resolution wasn’t necessary. That position in our view is no longer tenable. I hope supporters of other clubs will start asking their clubs if they support Res12 for if they do we can finally get SFA clear out then closure. The coming weeks will be crucial for the integrity of Scottish football. Celtic can now take up the battle, and indications are that they will. The volume of supporters who have registered their displeasure at their apparent inaction has bewildered the club, and they will react. I had a chat with someone yesterday, and was quite happy with how it went. There will be more on that later, but for now, it appears the club, the support, the shareholders can stop arguing amongst themselves, and focus their attention on the arrogance in that letter from the SFA. Especially this bit…. those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but thats irrelevant, because even if they were, they’d just change the rules to say they weren’t. Morally obliged ? Well, thats a wee bit different. Failure to report all the facts suggests that they may have something to hide. If everything was tickety boo, then why not come out and say so? To do that may restore a little faith in those who govern the game, who surely must be feeling a little bit of pressure as accusations are being made that they may not have been entirely honest in their applications of the rules. If they aren’t feeling any pressure, then that can only be because they genuinely don’t think they have a case to answer, and that in itself means that they really do see themselves as above the law, above accountability and beyond reproach. Not really how it should be, and not really how they would want to be seen. After the shennanigans of 2011, and the subsequent bending of rules, one would think the SFA would want to be open, would want to be honest and would want all those accusations dealt with, not only to show they are capable of good governance, but to show they have the games best interests at heart. A refusal to confirm that they acted correctly when submitting and confirming the application of Rangers ( 1872-2012) for entry into the Champions League suggests that they may have either deliberately or accidentally made an error. If they have nothing to hide, surely they should show that, and then we can all move on. Their own personal integrity, and the integrity of the governing body is being called into question, and it is simply not enough for them to answer this by saying “you can’t make me “ The thing is, they have to realise that somewhere down the line, someone is going to make them, and it would look an awful lot better if they held this enquiry of their own free will, because the longer they procrastinate, then the more it looks like they are afraid of what may be discovered. As a supporter with an interest in this issue, perhaps you could contact them and demand an enquiry into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers (1872-2012) You can ring them… email them or even write to them. Or all three. The Scottish Football Association 6th Floor, Hampden Park Glasgow G42 9AY Tel: 0141-616-6000 Fax: 0141-616-6001 info@scottishfa.co.uk Or you can go directly to Stewart Regan Regan hasn’t had his problems to seek since he joined the SFA. Here he has a chance to prove that his primary interest is in the well being of Scottish football. with a show of strength and leadership, leadership that the game is crying out for, he can show that he is a true leader, in chrge of an organisation we can all be proud of, an organisation to take the game forward under his stewardship. He has an opportunity to grasp a situation which i threatening to spiral out of his control and do untold damage to the game, not only in the yes of sponsors and investors, but in the eyes of supporters anywhere. By taking firm action, and doing what is right, he can show us that he is indeed a leader worthy of praise, and he can write his name firmly in tha annals of Scottish football with a legacy he can be proud of. He could be the man who restored our faith in an organisation that at the moment is seen as a little parochial, a little arrogant, and dare i whisper, a little corrupt… Or you could even tweet him… Give him encouragement, come on Stewart, show us what you can do ! sort this mess out, and show us there’s nothing to hide…. Point this out to him in your email, be nice, but be firm. Scottish football needs a leader-and Stewart has a chance to be that man. Scottish Football Association Stewart Regan Chief Executive Email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk Telephone 0141 616 6000 Website http://www.scottishfa.co.ukPersonal Twitter @StewartMRegan Celtic have taken notice of our concerns, and its all down to you guys who let them know how you feel. Contact Regan and the SFA. Be nice, after all, we want what they want, an honest game that we can be proud of. We want leaders we can trust, and if they have done nothing wrong, then show us, and then we can put all of this behind us and move on. You see, until we’re sure, until this niggling little doubt we have is erased, then we can’t move on. Its still their call, for now, so I’m sure they can be convinced to do the right thing. Now, with all the fuss over the possibility of dark and dastardly deeds way back when, it may have escaped you notice that theres a chance of winning the league this weekend. The fifth consecutive title, and as this hasn’t been done since 1971, its worth looking forward to, and its worth remembering that we aren’t here to chastise the SFA, or the club, or any of the individuals running the club. Not when there’s a game on, anyway. And its not going to be easy. All we have to do is give one performance on and off the park that secures the title. Whatever happens, nothing must get in the way of five in a row. If it does, the earliest we can hit the coveted ten is 2027, and i don’t know what I’ll be doing then, but it will almost certainly involve twenty four hour supervision. Celtic have let us down a few times this season, but so do all our friends and loved ones. Whats important is that we care enough to be angry, and we care enough to put it right when it matters. And we do it together. Starting at tynecastle. http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/ SFA Reform next.
Satisfactory in what way ?
Doing what Res12 was trying to acheive: UEFA formally being asked to investigate the 2011 UEFA licence process. I hope you're right Auldyin, the amount of time, effort, argument and evidence you and your colleagues have put into this issue demands a favourable response from the club and a take up of it's responsibilities to shareholders, stakeholders and fans in general.
I'm not holding my breath though, decades of corruption in the Scottish game have put Omerta as the default position on such issues.
Are our board up to it ? We'll see. Good luck and thanks for your perseverance.
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So - from eTims - this seems to be the latest on Res. 12. Spoiler: click to toggle eTims - Celtic Diary Thursday April 28: SFA Reply On Resolution 12From Brogan Rogan Trevino, who opens the mail… At long last the SFA have actually replied to a letter from solicitors (sent last Wed),and it makes for very curious reading. It answers no direct questions concerning the main issue and seeks to avoid all questions. It states clearly that the SFA do not consider themselves answerable to the individual shareholders of Celtic PLC or the shareholders of any member club. It states that in 2011 the SFA fulfilled its licensing and UEFA monitoring functions fully and properly. It states that those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. You follow? However, it goes on to say that the SFA will co-operate in every way with any enquiry that should be opened by UEFA in the event of issues being raised by someone else. The letter arrived yesterday afternoon, was copied to Celtic PLC, and is only being considered today. If anyone thinks this brings matters to a conclusion they are ill informed. How does that old song go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZsI read that as we haven’t done anything wrong and we don’t have to explain ourselves to you anyway. But if UEFA asks us, then we will. Auldheid, another of the band dubbed “The Oldhuns with nae cash ” , added; The fat lady hasn’t even sprayed her throat never mind cleared it. For all SFA say they do not recognise shareholders, in replying they just have. One up to the fans. They are being made accountable but no reason now for Celtic not to takeover the mantle. In replying the SFA have brought their raison d’etre into question and clearly they and UEFA need to investigate, if only to ensure no holes in their process that let a club with tax so overdue it required SOs to call and collect 6 weeks after being cleared of having none, play in CL qualifier at end July. Had RFC beaten Malmo and qualified I very much doubt if Malmo would have stayed silent after 10 August especially as their opponents had a player that RFC paid for with the overdue tax money. This is an extremely serious good governance matter and it cannot be allowed to be swept under the carpet. As the CQN post says the response is still being digested, but Res12 asked for the licensing process in 2011 to be investigated. Celtic’s response based on partial answers to questions by the SFA to avoid the relevant date was that the resolution wasn’t necessary. That position in our view is no longer tenable. I hope supporters of other clubs will start asking their clubs if they support Res12 for if they do we can finally get SFA clear out then closure. The coming weeks will be crucial for the integrity of Scottish football. Celtic can now take up the battle, and indications are that they will. The volume of supporters who have registered their displeasure at their apparent inaction has bewildered the club, and they will react. I had a chat with someone yesterday, and was quite happy with how it went. There will be more on that later, but for now, it appears the club, the support, the shareholders can stop arguing amongst themselves, and focus their attention on the arrogance in that letter from the SFA. Especially this bit…. those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but thats irrelevant, because even if they were, they’d just change the rules to say they weren’t. Morally obliged ? Well, thats a wee bit different. Failure to report all the facts suggests that they may have something to hide. If everything was tickety boo, then why not come out and say so? To do that may restore a little faith in those who govern the game, who surely must be feeling a little bit of pressure as accusations are being made that they may not have been entirely honest in their applications of the rules. If they aren’t feeling any pressure, then that can only be because they genuinely don’t think they have a case to answer, and that in itself means that they really do see themselves as above the law, above accountability and beyond reproach. Not really how it should be, and not really how they would want to be seen. After the shennanigans of 2011, and the subsequent bending of rules, one would think the SFA would want to be open, would want to be honest and would want all those accusations dealt with, not only to show they are capable of good governance, but to show they have the games best interests at heart. A refusal to confirm that they acted correctly when submitting and confirming the application of Rangers ( 1872-2012) for entry into the Champions League suggests that they may have either deliberately or accidentally made an error. If they have nothing to hide, surely they should show that, and then we can all move on. Their own personal integrity, and the integrity of the governing body is being called into question, and it is simply not enough for them to answer this by saying “you can’t make me “ The thing is, they have to realise that somewhere down the line, someone is going to make them, and it would look an awful lot better if they held this enquiry of their own free will, because the longer they procrastinate, then the more it looks like they are afraid of what may be discovered. As a supporter with an interest in this issue, perhaps you could contact them and demand an enquiry into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers (1872-2012) You can ring them… email them or even write to them. Or all three. The Scottish Football Association 6th Floor, Hampden Park Glasgow G42 9AY Tel: 0141-616-6000 Fax: 0141-616-6001 info@scottishfa.co.uk Or you can go directly to Stewart Regan Regan hasn’t had his problems to seek since he joined the SFA. Here he has a chance to prove that his primary interest is in the well being of Scottish football. with a show of strength and leadership, leadership that the game is crying out for, he can show that he is a true leader, in chrge of an organisation we can all be proud of, an organisation to take the game forward under his stewardship. He has an opportunity to grasp a situation which i threatening to spiral out of his control and do untold damage to the game, not only in the yes of sponsors and investors, but in the eyes of supporters anywhere. By taking firm action, and doing what is right, he can show us that he is indeed a leader worthy of praise, and he can write his name firmly in tha annals of Scottish football with a legacy he can be proud of. He could be the man who restored our faith in an organisation that at the moment is seen as a little parochial, a little arrogant, and dare i whisper, a little corrupt… Or you could even tweet him… Give him encouragement, come on Stewart, show us what you can do ! sort this mess out, and show us there’s nothing to hide…. Point this out to him in your email, be nice, but be firm. Scottish football needs a leader-and Stewart has a chance to be that man. Scottish Football Association Stewart Regan Chief Executive Email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk Telephone 0141 616 6000 Website http://www.scottishfa.co.ukPersonal Twitter @StewartMRegan Celtic have taken notice of our concerns, and its all down to you guys who let them know how you feel. Contact Regan and the SFA. Be nice, after all, we want what they want, an honest game that we can be proud of. We want leaders we can trust, and if they have done nothing wrong, then show us, and then we can put all of this behind us and move on. You see, until we’re sure, until this niggling little doubt we have is erased, then we can’t move on. Its still their call, for now, so I’m sure they can be convinced to do the right thing. Now, with all the fuss over the possibility of dark and dastardly deeds way back when, it may have escaped you notice that theres a chance of winning the league this weekend. The fifth consecutive title, and as this hasn’t been done since 1971, its worth looking forward to, and its worth remembering that we aren’t here to chastise the SFA, or the club, or any of the individuals running the club. Not when there’s a game on, anyway. And its not going to be easy. All we have to do is give one performance on and off the park that secures the title. Whatever happens, nothing must get in the way of five in a row. If it does, the earliest we can hit the coveted ten is 2027, and i don’t know what I’ll be doing then, but it will almost certainly involve twenty four hour supervision. Celtic have let us down a few times this season, but so do all our friends and loved ones. Whats important is that we care enough to be angry, and we care enough to put it right when it matters. And we do it together. Starting at tynecastle.
Very much connected to Res12 which is heading to a satisfactory close..... http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/ SFA Reform next. The wall of silence which the SFA and SMSM have constructed around this issue is finally being breached. Now that an international tax watchdog has taken an interest, and presented a pretty good picture of what has gone on, the genie is out of the bottle, to happily mix my metaphors.
Well done to you and your colleagues on this issue, Auldyin.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Spoiler: click to toggle eTims - Celtic Diary Thursday April 28: SFA Reply On Resolution 12From Brogan Rogan Trevino, who opens the mail… At long last the SFA have actually replied to a letter from solicitors (sent last Wed),and it makes for very curious reading. It answers no direct questions concerning the main issue and seeks to avoid all questions. It states clearly that the SFA do not consider themselves answerable to the individual shareholders of Celtic PLC or the shareholders of any member club. It states that in 2011 the SFA fulfilled its licensing and UEFA monitoring functions fully and properly. It states that those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. You follow? However, it goes on to say that the SFA will co-operate in every way with any enquiry that should be opened by UEFA in the event of issues being raised by someone else. The letter arrived yesterday afternoon, was copied to Celtic PLC, and is only being considered today. If anyone thinks this brings matters to a conclusion they are ill informed. How does that old song go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZsI read that as we haven’t done anything wrong and we don’t have to explain ourselves to you anyway. But if UEFA asks us, then we will. Auldheid, another of the band dubbed “The Oldhuns with nae cash ” , added; The fat lady hasn’t even sprayed her throat never mind cleared it. For all SFA say they do not recognise shareholders, in replying they just have. One up to the fans. They are being made accountable but no reason now for Celtic not to takeover the mantle. In replying the SFA have brought their raison d’etre into question and clearly they and UEFA need to investigate, if only to ensure no holes in their process that let a club with tax so overdue it required SOs to call and collect 6 weeks after being cleared of having none, play in CL qualifier at end July. Had RFC beaten Malmo and qualified I very much doubt if Malmo would have stayed silent after 10 August especially as their opponents had a player that RFC paid for with the overdue tax money. This is an extremely serious good governance matter and it cannot be allowed to be swept under the carpet. As the CQN post says the response is still being digested, but Res12 asked for the licensing process in 2011 to be investigated. Celtic’s response based on partial answers to questions by the SFA to avoid the relevant date was that the resolution wasn’t necessary. That position in our view is no longer tenable. I hope supporters of other clubs will start asking their clubs if they support Res12 for if they do we can finally get SFA clear out then closure. The coming weeks will be crucial for the integrity of Scottish football. Celtic can now take up the battle, and indications are that they will. The volume of supporters who have registered their displeasure at their apparent inaction has bewildered the club, and they will react. I had a chat with someone yesterday, and was quite happy with how it went. There will be more on that later, but for now, it appears the club, the support, the shareholders can stop arguing amongst themselves, and focus their attention on the arrogance in that letter from the SFA. Especially this bit…. those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but thats irrelevant, because even if they were, they’d just change the rules to say they weren’t. Morally obliged ? Well, thats a wee bit different. Failure to report all the facts suggests that they may have something to hide. If everything was tickety boo, then why not come out and say so? To do that may restore a little faith in those who govern the game, who surely must be feeling a little bit of pressure as accusations are being made that they may not have been entirely honest in their applications of the rules. If they aren’t feeling any pressure, then that can only be because they genuinely don’t think they have a case to answer, and that in itself means that they really do see themselves as above the law, above accountability and beyond reproach. Not really how it should be, and not really how they would want to be seen. After the shennanigans of 2011, and the subsequent bending of rules, one would think the SFA would want to be open, would want to be honest and would want all those accusations dealt with, not only to show they are capable of good governance, but to show they have the games best interests at heart. A refusal to confirm that they acted correctly when submitting and confirming the application of Rangers ( 1872-2012) for entry into the Champions League suggests that they may have either deliberately or accidentally made an error. If they have nothing to hide, surely they should show that, and then we can all move on. Their own personal integrity, and the integrity of the governing body is being called into question, and it is simply not enough for them to answer this by saying “you can’t make me “ The thing is, they have to realise that somewhere down the line, someone is going to make them, and it would look an awful lot better if they held this enquiry of their own free will, because the longer they procrastinate, then the more it looks like they are afraid of what may be discovered. As a supporter with an interest in this issue, perhaps you could contact them and demand an enquiry into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers (1872-2012) You can ring them… email them or even write to them. Or all three. The Scottish Football Association 6th Floor, Hampden Park Glasgow G42 9AY Tel: 0141-616-6000 Fax: 0141-616-6001 info@scottishfa.co.uk Or you can go directly to Stewart Regan Regan hasn’t had his problems to seek since he joined the SFA. Here he has a chance to prove that his primary interest is in the well being of Scottish football. with a show of strength and leadership, leadership that the game is crying out for, he can show that he is a true leader, in chrge of an organisation we can all be proud of, an organisation to take the game forward under his stewardship. He has an opportunity to grasp a situation which i threatening to spiral out of his control and do untold damage to the game, not only in the yes of sponsors and investors, but in the eyes of supporters anywhere. By taking firm action, and doing what is right, he can show us that he is indeed a leader worthy of praise, and he can write his name firmly in tha annals of Scottish football with a legacy he can be proud of. He could be the man who restored our faith in an organisation that at the moment is seen as a little parochial, a little arrogant, and dare i whisper, a little corrupt… Or you could even tweet him… Give him encouragement, come on Stewart, show us what you can do ! sort this mess out, and show us there’s nothing to hide…. Point this out to him in your email, be nice, but be firm. Scottish football needs a leader-and Stewart has a chance to be that man. Scottish Football Association Stewart Regan Chief Executive Email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk Telephone 0141 616 6000 Website http://www.scottishfa.co.ukPersonal Twitter @StewartMRegan Celtic have taken notice of our concerns, and its all down to you guys who let them know how you feel. Contact Regan and the SFA. Be nice, after all, we want what they want, an honest game that we can be proud of. We want leaders we can trust, and if they have done nothing wrong, then show us, and then we can put all of this behind us and move on. You see, until we’re sure, until this niggling little doubt we have is erased, then we can’t move on. Its still their call, for now, so I’m sure they can be convinced to do the right thing. Now, with all the fuss over the possibility of dark and dastardly deeds way back when, it may have escaped you notice that theres a chance of winning the league this weekend. The fifth consecutive title, and as this hasn’t been done since 1971, its worth looking forward to, and its worth remembering that we aren’t here to chastise the SFA, or the club, or any of the individuals running the club. Not when there’s a game on, anyway. And its not going to be easy. All we have to do is give one performance on and off the park that secures the title. Whatever happens, nothing must get in the way of five in a row. If it does, the earliest we can hit the coveted ten is 2027, and i don’t know what I’ll be doing then, but it will almost certainly involve twenty four hour supervision. Celtic have let us down a few times this season, but so do all our friends and loved ones. Whats important is that we care enough to be angry, and we care enough to put it right when it matters. And we do it together. Starting at tynecastle. http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/
Doing what Res12 was trying to acheive: UEFA formally being asked to investigate the 2011 UEFA licence process.  I hope you're right Auldyin, the amount of time, effort, argument and evidence you and your colleagues have put into this issue demands a favourable response from the club and a take up of it's responsibilities to shareholders, stakeholders and fans in general. I'm not holding my breath though, decades of corruption in the Scottish game have put Omerta as the default position on such issues. Are our board up to it ? We'll see. Good luck and thanks for your perseverance. Call in the FBI. That will sort out UEFA.
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So - from eTims - this seems to be the latest on Res. 12. Spoiler: click to toggle eTims - Celtic Diary Thursday April 28: SFA Reply On Resolution 12From Brogan Rogan Trevino, who opens the mail… At long last the SFA have actually replied to a letter from solicitors (sent last Wed),and it makes for very curious reading. It answers no direct questions concerning the main issue and seeks to avoid all questions. It states clearly that the SFA do not consider themselves answerable to the individual shareholders of Celtic PLC or the shareholders of any member club. It states that in 2011 the SFA fulfilled its licensing and UEFA monitoring functions fully and properly. It states that those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. You follow? However, it goes on to say that the SFA will co-operate in every way with any enquiry that should be opened by UEFA in the event of issues being raised by someone else. The letter arrived yesterday afternoon, was copied to Celtic PLC, and is only being considered today. If anyone thinks this brings matters to a conclusion they are ill informed. How does that old song go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZsI read that as we haven’t done anything wrong and we don’t have to explain ourselves to you anyway. But if UEFA asks us, then we will. Auldheid, another of the band dubbed “The Oldhuns with nae cash ” , added; The fat lady hasn’t even sprayed her throat never mind cleared it. For all SFA say they do not recognise shareholders, in replying they just have. One up to the fans. They are being made accountable but no reason now for Celtic not to takeover the mantle. In replying the SFA have brought their raison d’etre into question and clearly they and UEFA need to investigate, if only to ensure no holes in their process that let a club with tax so overdue it required SOs to call and collect 6 weeks after being cleared of having none, play in CL qualifier at end July. Had RFC beaten Malmo and qualified I very much doubt if Malmo would have stayed silent after 10 August especially as their opponents had a player that RFC paid for with the overdue tax money. This is an extremely serious good governance matter and it cannot be allowed to be swept under the carpet. As the CQN post says the response is still being digested, but Res12 asked for the licensing process in 2011 to be investigated. Celtic’s response based on partial answers to questions by the SFA to avoid the relevant date was that the resolution wasn’t necessary. That position in our view is no longer tenable. I hope supporters of other clubs will start asking their clubs if they support Res12 for if they do we can finally get SFA clear out then closure. The coming weeks will be crucial for the integrity of Scottish football. Celtic can now take up the battle, and indications are that they will. The volume of supporters who have registered their displeasure at their apparent inaction has bewildered the club, and they will react. I had a chat with someone yesterday, and was quite happy with how it went. There will be more on that later, but for now, it appears the club, the support, the shareholders can stop arguing amongst themselves, and focus their attention on the arrogance in that letter from the SFA. Especially this bit…. those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but thats irrelevant, because even if they were, they’d just change the rules to say they weren’t. Morally obliged ? Well, thats a wee bit different. Failure to report all the facts suggests that they may have something to hide. If everything was tickety boo, then why not come out and say so? To do that may restore a little faith in those who govern the game, who surely must be feeling a little bit of pressure as accusations are being made that they may not have been entirely honest in their applications of the rules. If they aren’t feeling any pressure, then that can only be because they genuinely don’t think they have a case to answer, and that in itself means that they really do see themselves as above the law, above accountability and beyond reproach. Not really how it should be, and not really how they would want to be seen. After the shennanigans of 2011, and the subsequent bending of rules, one would think the SFA would want to be open, would want to be honest and would want all those accusations dealt with, not only to show they are capable of good governance, but to show they have the games best interests at heart. A refusal to confirm that they acted correctly when submitting and confirming the application of Rangers ( 1872-2012) for entry into the Champions League suggests that they may have either deliberately or accidentally made an error. If they have nothing to hide, surely they should show that, and then we can all move on. Their own personal integrity, and the integrity of the governing body is being called into question, and it is simply not enough for them to answer this by saying “you can’t make me “ The thing is, they have to realise that somewhere down the line, someone is going to make them, and it would look an awful lot better if they held this enquiry of their own free will, because the longer they procrastinate, then the more it looks like they are afraid of what may be discovered. As a supporter with an interest in this issue, perhaps you could contact them and demand an enquiry into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers (1872-2012) You can ring them… email them or even write to them. Or all three. The Scottish Football Association 6th Floor, Hampden Park Glasgow G42 9AY Tel: 0141-616-6000 Fax: 0141-616-6001 info@scottishfa.co.uk Or you can go directly to Stewart Regan Regan hasn’t had his problems to seek since he joined the SFA. Here he has a chance to prove that his primary interest is in the well being of Scottish football. with a show of strength and leadership, leadership that the game is crying out for, he can show that he is a true leader, in chrge of an organisation we can all be proud of, an organisation to take the game forward under his stewardship. He has an opportunity to grasp a situation which i threatening to spiral out of his control and do untold damage to the game, not only in the yes of sponsors and investors, but in the eyes of supporters anywhere. By taking firm action, and doing what is right, he can show us that he is indeed a leader worthy of praise, and he can write his name firmly in tha annals of Scottish football with a legacy he can be proud of. He could be the man who restored our faith in an organisation that at the moment is seen as a little parochial, a little arrogant, and dare i whisper, a little corrupt… Or you could even tweet him… Give him encouragement, come on Stewart, show us what you can do ! sort this mess out, and show us there’s nothing to hide…. Point this out to him in your email, be nice, but be firm. Scottish football needs a leader-and Stewart has a chance to be that man. Scottish Football Association Stewart Regan Chief Executive Email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk Telephone 0141 616 6000 Website http://www.scottishfa.co.ukPersonal Twitter @StewartMRegan Celtic have taken notice of our concerns, and its all down to you guys who let them know how you feel. Contact Regan and the SFA. Be nice, after all, we want what they want, an honest game that we can be proud of. We want leaders we can trust, and if they have done nothing wrong, then show us, and then we can put all of this behind us and move on. You see, until we’re sure, until this niggling little doubt we have is erased, then we can’t move on. Its still their call, for now, so I’m sure they can be convinced to do the right thing. Now, with all the fuss over the possibility of dark and dastardly deeds way back when, it may have escaped you notice that theres a chance of winning the league this weekend. The fifth consecutive title, and as this hasn’t been done since 1971, its worth looking forward to, and its worth remembering that we aren’t here to chastise the SFA, or the club, or any of the individuals running the club. Not when there’s a game on, anyway. And its not going to be easy. All we have to do is give one performance on and off the park that secures the title. Whatever happens, nothing must get in the way of five in a row. If it does, the earliest we can hit the coveted ten is 2027, and i don’t know what I’ll be doing then, but it will almost certainly involve twenty four hour supervision. Celtic have let us down a few times this season, but so do all our friends and loved ones. Whats important is that we care enough to be angry, and we care enough to put it right when it matters. And we do it together. Starting at tynecastle.
Very much connected to Res12 which is heading to a satisfactory close..... http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/ SFA Reform next. very interesting read
so hope you are right about resolution 12 coming to a satisfactory close
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Spoiler: click to toggle eTims - Celtic Diary Thursday April 28: SFA Reply On Resolution 12From Brogan Rogan Trevino, who opens the mail… At long last the SFA have actually replied to a letter from solicitors (sent last Wed),and it makes for very curious reading. It answers no direct questions concerning the main issue and seeks to avoid all questions. It states clearly that the SFA do not consider themselves answerable to the individual shareholders of Celtic PLC or the shareholders of any member club. It states that in 2011 the SFA fulfilled its licensing and UEFA monitoring functions fully and properly. It states that those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. You follow? However, it goes on to say that the SFA will co-operate in every way with any enquiry that should be opened by UEFA in the event of issues being raised by someone else. The letter arrived yesterday afternoon, was copied to Celtic PLC, and is only being considered today. If anyone thinks this brings matters to a conclusion they are ill informed. How does that old song go? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZsI read that as we haven’t done anything wrong and we don’t have to explain ourselves to you anyway. But if UEFA asks us, then we will. Auldheid, another of the band dubbed “The Oldhuns with nae cash ” , added; The fat lady hasn’t even sprayed her throat never mind cleared it. For all SFA say they do not recognise shareholders, in replying they just have. One up to the fans. They are being made accountable but no reason now for Celtic not to takeover the mantle. In replying the SFA have brought their raison d’etre into question and clearly they and UEFA need to investigate, if only to ensure no holes in their process that let a club with tax so overdue it required SOs to call and collect 6 weeks after being cleared of having none, play in CL qualifier at end July. Had RFC beaten Malmo and qualified I very much doubt if Malmo would have stayed silent after 10 August especially as their opponents had a player that RFC paid for with the overdue tax money. This is an extremely serious good governance matter and it cannot be allowed to be swept under the carpet. As the CQN post says the response is still being digested, but Res12 asked for the licensing process in 2011 to be investigated. Celtic’s response based on partial answers to questions by the SFA to avoid the relevant date was that the resolution wasn’t necessary. That position in our view is no longer tenable. I hope supporters of other clubs will start asking their clubs if they support Res12 for if they do we can finally get SFA clear out then closure. The coming weeks will be crucial for the integrity of Scottish football. Celtic can now take up the battle, and indications are that they will. The volume of supporters who have registered their displeasure at their apparent inaction has bewildered the club, and they will react. I had a chat with someone yesterday, and was quite happy with how it went. There will be more on that later, but for now, it appears the club, the support, the shareholders can stop arguing amongst themselves, and focus their attention on the arrogance in that letter from the SFA. Especially this bit…. those monitoring and compliance functions came to an end at the close of that particular season in respect of that same season and that it is not obliged to make any report in connection with the events of that season after the close of the season. Legally obliged ? Maybe not, but thats irrelevant, because even if they were, they’d just change the rules to say they weren’t. Morally obliged ? Well, thats a wee bit different. Failure to report all the facts suggests that they may have something to hide. If everything was tickety boo, then why not come out and say so? To do that may restore a little faith in those who govern the game, who surely must be feeling a little bit of pressure as accusations are being made that they may not have been entirely honest in their applications of the rules. If they aren’t feeling any pressure, then that can only be because they genuinely don’t think they have a case to answer, and that in itself means that they really do see themselves as above the law, above accountability and beyond reproach. Not really how it should be, and not really how they would want to be seen. After the shennanigans of 2011, and the subsequent bending of rules, one would think the SFA would want to be open, would want to be honest and would want all those accusations dealt with, not only to show they are capable of good governance, but to show they have the games best interests at heart. A refusal to confirm that they acted correctly when submitting and confirming the application of Rangers ( 1872-2012) for entry into the Champions League suggests that they may have either deliberately or accidentally made an error. If they have nothing to hide, surely they should show that, and then we can all move on. Their own personal integrity, and the integrity of the governing body is being called into question, and it is simply not enough for them to answer this by saying “you can’t make me “ The thing is, they have to realise that somewhere down the line, someone is going to make them, and it would look an awful lot better if they held this enquiry of their own free will, because the longer they procrastinate, then the more it looks like they are afraid of what may be discovered. As a supporter with an interest in this issue, perhaps you could contact them and demand an enquiry into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers (1872-2012) You can ring them… email them or even write to them. Or all three. The Scottish Football Association 6th Floor, Hampden Park Glasgow G42 9AY Tel: 0141-616-6000 Fax: 0141-616-6001 info@scottishfa.co.uk Or you can go directly to Stewart Regan Regan hasn’t had his problems to seek since he joined the SFA. Here he has a chance to prove that his primary interest is in the well being of Scottish football. with a show of strength and leadership, leadership that the game is crying out for, he can show that he is a true leader, in chrge of an organisation we can all be proud of, an organisation to take the game forward under his stewardship. He has an opportunity to grasp a situation which i threatening to spiral out of his control and do untold damage to the game, not only in the yes of sponsors and investors, but in the eyes of supporters anywhere. By taking firm action, and doing what is right, he can show us that he is indeed a leader worthy of praise, and he can write his name firmly in tha annals of Scottish football with a legacy he can be proud of. He could be the man who restored our faith in an organisation that at the moment is seen as a little parochial, a little arrogant, and dare i whisper, a little corrupt… Or you could even tweet him… Give him encouragement, come on Stewart, show us what you can do ! sort this mess out, and show us there’s nothing to hide…. Point this out to him in your email, be nice, but be firm. Scottish football needs a leader-and Stewart has a chance to be that man. Scottish Football Association Stewart Regan Chief Executive Email stewart.regan@scottishfa.co.uk Telephone 0141 616 6000 Website http://www.scottishfa.co.ukPersonal Twitter @StewartMRegan Celtic have taken notice of our concerns, and its all down to you guys who let them know how you feel. Contact Regan and the SFA. Be nice, after all, we want what they want, an honest game that we can be proud of. We want leaders we can trust, and if they have done nothing wrong, then show us, and then we can put all of this behind us and move on. You see, until we’re sure, until this niggling little doubt we have is erased, then we can’t move on. Its still their call, for now, so I’m sure they can be convinced to do the right thing. Now, with all the fuss over the possibility of dark and dastardly deeds way back when, it may have escaped you notice that theres a chance of winning the league this weekend. The fifth consecutive title, and as this hasn’t been done since 1971, its worth looking forward to, and its worth remembering that we aren’t here to chastise the SFA, or the club, or any of the individuals running the club. Not when there’s a game on, anyway. And its not going to be easy. All we have to do is give one performance on and off the park that secures the title. Whatever happens, nothing must get in the way of five in a row. If it does, the earliest we can hit the coveted ten is 2027, and i don’t know what I’ll be doing then, but it will almost certainly involve twenty four hour supervision. Celtic have let us down a few times this season, but so do all our friends and loved ones. Whats important is that we care enough to be angry, and we care enough to put it right when it matters. And we do it together. Starting at tynecastle. http://www.theoffshoregame.net/475-2/ SFA Reform next.
Satisfactory in what way ?
Doing what Res12 was trying to acheive: UEFA formally being asked to investigate the 2011 UEFA licence process. That'll do me.
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7 May 2016, 01:31 PM
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Huge respect for all the fans that pushed this as far as they have.
Really have no confidence in the authorities to actually do anything about it though.
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