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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,990 Views)
Zurawski 7
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Mubo Loravcik
31 Jul 2014, 08:36 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 08:32 PM
Edmontim
31 Jul 2014, 08:30 PM

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the money is reinvested in the team. probably spent about 10m last year and the rest goes toward our massive wage bill.

questioning the way the money is used is a fairer point
How much did we collectively spend on transfer fees last summer, in comparison to what we took in for player sales?

Just to remind you, the following players were signed:

Virgil Van Dijk, Steven Mouyokolo, Nir Biton, Derk Boerrigter, Teemu Pukki and Amido Balde.

The following players were sold:

Victor Wanyama, Gary Hooper, Kelvin Wilson, Thomas Rogne, Paddy McCourt and Daryl Murphy.

Then try and tell me the money was 100% reinvested into the playing side of the football club.
where do you think the money is going if its not paying the playing staffs fees and wages?

we are not sitting on a pile of money that we are refusing to spend
Edited by Zurawski 7, 31 Jul 2014, 08:43 PM.
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I want Lawelll out of his bunker to respond to Lennon's comments about there being no investment in the team.
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31 Jul 2014, 08:43 PM
I want Lawelll out of his bunker to respond to Lennon's comments about there being no investment in the team.
What's he going to say exactly? We got Craig Gordon for nothing and a 5 month loan deal for Berget . Hardly going to break the bank with that investment, eh? :twitch:
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Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 08:42 PM
Mubo Loravcik
31 Jul 2014, 08:36 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 08:32 PM

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How much did we collectively spend on transfer fees last summer, in comparison to what we took in for player sales?

Just to remind you, the following players were signed:

Virgil Van Dijk, Steven Mouyokolo, Nir Biton, Derk Boerrigter, Teemu Pukki and Amido Balde.

The following players were sold:

Victor Wanyama, Gary Hooper, Kelvin Wilson, Thomas Rogne, Paddy McCourt and Daryl Murphy.

Then try and tell me the money was 100% reinvested into the playing side of the football club.
where do you think the money is going if its not paying the playing staffs fees and wages?

we are not sitting on a pile of money that we are refusing to spend
I just asked a simple question.

You said confidently that last summer Celtic, as always, spend 100% of what we take in on player recruitment.

So in the case of last summer, surely you can outline how the acquisitions of Van Dijk, Mouyokolo, Biton, Boerrigter, Pukki and Balde was as much spent as we received for Wanyama, Hooper, Wilson, Rogne, McCourt and Murphy.

If we're not sitting on a pile of money, the above can surely be accounted for, no?
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Kingslim
31 Jul 2014, 08:43 PM
I want Lawelll out of his bunker to respond to Lennon's comments about there being no investment in the team.
He's keeping his powder dry for the AGM. He's got a few jokes about the huns up his sleeve for that one.
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Kingslim
31 Jul 2014, 08:43 PM
I want Lawelll out of his bunker to respond to Lennon's comments about there being no investment in the team.
There's absolutely zero chance of him doing that, because he doesn't have to.
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If money is tight, should the CEO not be reviewing how we are spending the decent amount of money that we are taking in. We seem to be currently spending a huge wedge on players at youth and senior level who contribute nothing more than making up the numbers. And surely a CEO should be reviewing a scouting structure that has brought us such gems as Boerrigter, Balde and Bangura?
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31 Jul 2014, 08:48 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 08:42 PM
Mubo Loravcik
31 Jul 2014, 08:36 PM

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where do you think the money is going if its not paying the playing staffs fees and wages?

we are not sitting on a pile of money that we are refusing to spend
I just asked a simple question.

You said confidently that last summer Celtic, as always, spend 100% of what we take in on player recruitment.

So in the case of last summer, surely you can outline how the acquisitions of Van Dijk, Mouyokolo, Biton, Boerrigter, Pukki and Balde was as much spent as we received for Wanyama, Hooper, Wilson, Rogne, McCourt and Murphy.

If we're not sitting on a pile of money, the above can surely be accounted for, no?
i said the money is reinvested in the squad, not player recruitment. that includes the squads wages. the accounts show this
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31 Jul 2014, 09:01 PM
If money is tight, should the CEO not be reviewing how we are spending the decent amount of money that we are taking in. We seem to be currently spending a huge wedge on players at youth and senior level who contribute nothing more than making up the numbers. And surely a CEO should be reviewing a scouting structure that has brought us such gems as Boerrigter, Balde and Bangura?
completely agree.
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Surely the players who left have their salary transfered to the incoming players, thus the difference in transfer money recieved and transfer money spent should result in a healthy surplus?
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31 Jul 2014, 09:01 PM
If money is tight, should the CEO not be reviewing how we are spending the decent amount of money that we are taking in. We seem to be currently spending a huge wedge on players at youth and senior level who contribute nothing more than making up the numbers. And surely a CEO should be reviewing a scouting structure that has brought us such gems as Boerrigter, Balde and Bangura?
Review John Park......more chance of my baws turning to gold.
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Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 09:14 PM
Mubo Loravcik
31 Jul 2014, 08:48 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 08:42 PM

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I just asked a simple question.

You said confidently that last summer Celtic, as always, spend 100% of what we take in on player recruitment.

So in the case of last summer, surely you can outline how the acquisitions of Van Dijk, Mouyokolo, Biton, Boerrigter, Pukki and Balde was as much spent as we received for Wanyama, Hooper, Wilson, Rogne, McCourt and Murphy.

If we're not sitting on a pile of money, the above can surely be accounted for, no?
i said the money is reinvested in the squad, not player recruitment. that includes the squads wages. the accounts show this
Have any of our players received monumental wage increases in the past year?

So you're admitted we've spent far less on signing players than we do for players leaving. So you're saying the net profit we've accumulated on the sales of Hooper, Wanyama, Wilson et al have gone on massive wage increases and the academy?

Do you seriously believe that?

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31 Jul 2014, 08:30 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 07:21 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 06:21 PM

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Nowt to do with my 'glory hunting'

I wouldn't spend my hard earned on watching what's on offer.

Others will, and I applaud them.. 'through thick and thin' and all that.

Dunno bout you, or your family/mates but here's an honest rundown of those who have/are season book holders in my close family.

Auld man/is has been since dot.
Sis. Was/now only holds books for purpose of getting her two boys to see the matches.
Bro-in-law. Was for years, cancelled last year
Uncle. as above
Two cousins. As above
Bro. (Has a book but stays in Donegal so cant make a fair chunk of games)
Me? There's always spares or mates not using, so why I would fork out for a SB at £££'s per year is a bit daft.

Have you managed to miss that attendances are down?

They can count SB holders for attendances of they like but attendances have gradually tapered away over the past few years.

The upper stand closure should be a sign that not all is well.

Did that ever happen under Strachan or O'Neil?

Anyway, my argument is so simple I'm surprised it's passed you by.

Quality on pitch = interest from the fans.
Pish on the pitch = stay away fans.

You will always have a hardcore of fans but of the family members I mentioned above, some of them had been regulars for over 20 years. I would have considered them amongst your hardcore.

More often than not, they will pick and choose games, or go to away/European matches.

Would they buys books if the quality was on offer? Who know's but the fact that for the first time in decades they haven't renewed, says it all to me.

Lawwell is ripping the pish out of the fans. It's that simple. :(
Your argument hasn't passed me by. Spend loadsa money and fans who otherwise can't be arsed will attend. Fits the bill of glory hunter if you ask me. If your original argument had been about the quality of performance or lack of it on the pitch then that would be valid but instead you talked of big name signings. Our spending under O'Neill wasn't ever going to be sustainable particularly under the current economic climate and tv deal in Scotland.

Yes the Celtic board are taking the piss out the fans but the reality is that 45k is probably a more accurate reflection of the fan base than what we had early 2000's driven by big signings and floating fans who as it turns out can take it or leave it. Perhaps if we did fill the stadium week in week out then the quality of player and signing would improve but seems a lot of fans don't have the appetite for it anymore..........
Bang on!

A lot of fans don't have the appetite for it anymore. :thumbsup:

We were in a position of health both on and off the park.
Build on that and we had aspirations on the European arena.

Failure to build on that has left fans disenfranchised and a team on the pitch bereft of real quality.
(Forster and VvD the obvious exceptions)

Ps, some of the glory hunters had been attending CP through the nineties, myself (from the mid eighties) included..
Just so happened to still be attending when O'Neils team came along.

Even Neil Lennon has stated part of the reason he left was due to the downsizing.
It's not just the fans that are a bit sick of it.
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Since Lennon became manager:

Player sales: ~£49 million
European prize money: ~£36 million

Player purchases: ~£29 million


It's absolutely taking the piss.
Edited by pauldg1, 31 Jul 2014, 09:24 PM.
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When we were £20m in debt and haemorrhaging money on massive wages most fans supported the board bringing down the debt to a manageable level.Now we have little or no debt it is quite acceptable to speculate to accumulate within reasonable levels.Ironically by not doing this it could cost us £20M in the champions league this season and also affect our coefficient in Europe which will might mean in the future we are not seeded in the C.L. qualifiers which would make it difficult to qualify even if we have a decent team.Some Celtic fans have told me we don't need to spend because we will win the league anyway but surely we should try to improve our team within our financial restraints and not let the quality of our opposition bring us down to their standard?
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31 Jul 2014, 09:22 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 09:14 PM
Mubo Loravcik
31 Jul 2014, 08:48 PM

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i said the money is reinvested in the squad, not player recruitment. that includes the squads wages. the accounts show this
Have any of our players received monumental wage increases in the past year?

So you're admitted we've spent far less on signing players than we do for players leaving. So you're saying the net profit we've accumulated on the sales of Hooper, Wanyama, Wilson et al have gone on massive wage increases and the academy?

Do you seriously believe that?

it doesnt have to be wage increases (although theres been a few). its covering the wages, running costs and money lost through lack of ticket sales.

im not sure what you are getting at here. where is it you think the money is going?
Edited by Zurawski 7, 31 Jul 2014, 09:32 PM.
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31 Jul 2014, 09:22 PM
Since Lennon became manager:

Player sales: ~£49 million
European prize money: ~£36 million

Player purchases: ~£29 million


It's absolutely taking the piss.
Don't want to hijack your post mate as it's a great stand alone reference.

Check the top 20 in this list.

We are 16th (allegedly), how many of those teams have a playing squad as poor as ours?

Down the list to the top 40 and minus the huns, there are still very few teams who average so many supporters with a team as lacking as ours.

Taken for a ride?

You bet we are.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_attendances_of_European_football_clubs
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31 Jul 2014, 09:32 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 09:14 PM

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Have any of our players received monumental wage increases in the past year?

So you're admitted we've spent far less on signing players than we do for players leaving. So you're saying the net profit we've accumulated on the sales of Hooper, Wanyama, Wilson et al have gone on massive wage increases and the academy?

Do you seriously believe that?

it doesnt have to be wage increases (although theres been a few). its covering the wages, running costs and money lost through lack of ticket sales.

im not sure what you are getting at here. where is it you think the money is going?
I wish I knew.
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31 Jul 2014, 09:38 PM
Zurawski 7
31 Jul 2014, 09:32 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 09:22 PM

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it doesnt have to be wage increases (although theres been a few). its covering the wages, running costs and money lost through lack of ticket sales.

im not sure what you are getting at here. where is it you think the money is going?
I wish I knew.
i think the wages are far too high for very average players (some not even average). the worst point is it seems we need to pay these players more than their worth to get them to even consider joining us. its a no win situation and i have no idea what the solution. i dont think the board have many answers either

i can see the thinking behind getting a highly rated coach who is all for developing young players but he still needs backing from the board which doesnt seem to be available.
Edited by Zurawski 7, 31 Jul 2014, 09:45 PM.
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aye, he's the highly rated coach from.......Norway :doh:
should be coaching, then, and not managing Celtic
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