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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,665 Views)
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The problem with Lawwell is that he totally bought in to the "Armageddon" scenario spun by Regan and Doncaster and sold the idea to Desmond, who swallowed it whole. This explains the squirming over Resolution 12 and the doing just as much as needed to win the title until "Rangers come back". :nono:

The concept was always flawed and it has resulted in Celtic being much more disadvantaged than the other clubs, who have seen attendances rise and debt being cleared or reduced while our crowds have disappeared like snow off a dyke.

For this reason alone he should be sacked. I can't imagine Desmond having another CEO who has been responsible for missing out on £40m over two years and is still in situ.
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25 Apr 2016, 11:12 AM
The problem with Lawwell is that he totally bought in to the "Armageddon" scenario spun by Regan and Doncaster and sold the idea to Desmond, who swallowed it whole. This explains the squirming over Resolution 12 and the doing just as much as needed to win the title until "Rangers come back". :nono:

The concept was always flawed and it has resulted in Celtic being much more disadvantaged than the other clubs, who have seen attendances rise and debt being cleared or reduced while our crowds have disappeared like snow off a dyke.

For this reason alone he should be sacked. I can't imagine Desmond having another CEO who has been responsible for missing out on £40m over two years and is still in situ.
Not a chance he would have tolerated that in any other part of his business empire.

Which is why I believe those who say Dermot Desmond has handed all control over to his son Derry.
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But we can afford the same wages for a CEO as those down south? :suspect:

Villarreal pay the same in transfer fees as us and they would thump us if we played tomorrow.
Yeah but the wages are much higher. You can't just look at the transfer fees in isolation. Higher wages tend to mean much better players.
http://stv.tv/sport/football/1321105-celtics-average-wage-bill-is-25-times-higher-than-ross-countys/

http://www.tsmplug.com/football/spanish-la-liga-players-salaries/
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25 Apr 2016, 10:35 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Winner of the only renumeration package not downsized goes for the 10th year running to Peter Lawwell <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CelticPOTY?src=hash">#CelticPOTY</a> <a href="https://t.co/fs9zINlJbE">pic.twitter.com/fs9zINlJbE</a></p>— Electronic Tims (@ETimsNet) <a href="https://twitter.com/ETimsNet/status/724346602236813312">April 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Lawwell will need to produce a shampoo ton of rabbits out the hat to come close to earning the remuneration he receives, home ties in some PR tournament, which will cost the fans more money, and reports of something maybe happening about club competition structures really aren't good enough.

Why should our fans be the ones funding the 'possibility' that he is part of some counter-balance to the big clubs greed?

2% of our turnover goes straight in his pocket and to be perfectly honest icgaf how much 'clout' we have at these old boys networks when we're relying on Aberdeen being too shampoo to win the one-horse league we're in.

As it stands if Lawwell really is making a difference to European structures we probably won't benefit as he's running us into the ground to make sure the balance sheet gives him his bonus.
All I am offering is a reasonable, relevant counter balance as to why his dismissal is likely more complicated, at least at some level. One that is likely to be occupying Board members minds before they go angrily typing up his letter of dismissal on the back of seeing a few banners.

He goes to Sunderland or elsewhere, we likely lose that place at the table, at a time ironically when on the park he has left us with as little clout as we'll likely ever have, and when Scotland is in its lowest coefficient position ever. Catch 22.

Good luck replacing that easily. It would be a pretty isolationist move. It's not untypical of Scottish football to look down and in, when things are going wrong for our game.

Changes to these things happen at glacier like pace. The reporting of the recent Stillitano comments, and the closed shop idea was largely laughed out of town. The wishes of Inter, Bayern and Barca are running out of time to have any sort of chance of being accepted in time for the next Club Competition cycle,2017-2020. Who knows who has had success in slowing that talk down? Similarly, The Atlantic League was first talked about in 2000.

It's undoubtedly going to be looked upon as a squirrel (Oh look! you can't get rid of me, I'm going to deliver the CL in perpetuity!) but I struggle to see an unknown replacement quickly assuming that role where we have some say, any say in what football looks like in future. Whether Lawwell's ego would withstand a stripping of his power in a football sense and a drastic wage reduction is another thing. Probably not when there are apparently other suitors out there.

The first thing the Board need, and get paid to provide, is to provide a succession plan. What does a post-Lawwell Celtic look like? What does it mean for our relationships externally? Who knows, maybe that's what the new Finance Director has come in to do. For example, if the Director of Football position is seen as important to the club, we need a real one, not Peter's Champ Manager largesse.
I understand that you're only offering a counter balance, but without the fans making demands that he either be replaced or receives a downgrade in pay structure and control then nothing will happen.

It's up to us to make the change as otherwise the suits will happily collect their paycheck whilst pointing to the squirrel and telling us Lawwell's in demand elsewhere so we should count our blessings, it reeks of the tory argument that you can't charge the rich more tax or they'll go elsewhere with their money.

It's a threat predicated on what amounts to ethereal results, who knows if Lawwell had any influence in slowing down talks we don't and probably never will, but that won't stop him, or others, from intimating that he might have if he needs to justify his obscene remuneration.

You're right we do need the board to provide a succession plan, but in the meantime it should be holding him to account for our very obvious decline on the park under his stewardship not telling us we've got a great Chief Executive because the balance sheet is great and other clubs want him.
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25 Apr 2016, 10:53 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Winner of the only renumeration package not downsized goes for the 10th year running to Peter Lawwell <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CelticPOTY?src=hash">#CelticPOTY</a> <a href="https://t.co/fs9zINlJbE">pic.twitter.com/fs9zINlJbE</a></p>— Electronic Tims (@ETimsNet) <a href="https://twitter.com/ETimsNet/status/724346602236813312">April 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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All I am offering is a reasonable, relevant counter balance as to why his dismissal is likely more complicated, at least at some level. One that is likely to be occupying Board members minds before they go angrily typing up his letter of dismissal on the back of seeing a few banners.

He goes to Sunderland or elsewhere, we likely lose that place at the table, at a time ironically when on the park he has left us with as little clout as we'll likely ever have, and when Scotland is in its lowest coefficient position ever. Catch 22.

Good luck replacing that easily. It would be a pretty isolationist move. It's not untypical of Scottish football to look down and in, when things are going wrong for our game.

Changes to these things happen at glacier like pace. The reporting of the recent Stillitano comments, and the closed shop idea was largely laughed out of town. The wishes of Inter, Bayern and Barca are running out of time to have any sort of chance of being accepted in time for the next Club Competition cycle,2017-2020. Who knows who has had success in slowing that talk down? Similarly, The Atlantic League was first talked about in 2000.

It's undoubtedly going to be looked upon as a squirrel (Oh look! you can't get rid of me, I'm going to deliver the CL in perpetuity!) but I struggle to see an unknown replacement quickly assuming that role where we have some say, any say in what football looks like in future. Whether Lawwell's ego would withstand a stripping of his power in a football sense and a drastic wage reduction is another thing. Probably not when there are apparently other suitors out there.

The first thing the Board need, and get paid to provide, is to provide a succession plan. What does a post-Lawwell Celtic look like? What does it mean for our relationships externally? Who knows, maybe that's what the new Finance Director has come in to do. For example, if the Director of Football position is seen as important to the club, we need a real one, not Peter's Champ Manager largesse.
I understand that you're only offering a counter balance, but without the fans making demands that he either be replaced or receives a downgrade in pay structure and control then nothing will happen.

It's up to us to make the change as otherwise the suits will happily collect their paycheck whilst pointing to the squirrel and telling us Lawwell's in demand elsewhere so we should count our blessings, it reeks of the tory argument that you can't charge the rich more tax or they'll go elsewhere with their money.

It's a threat predicated on what amounts to ethereal results, who knows if Lawwell had any influence in slowing down talks we don't and probably never will, but that won't stop him, or others, from intimating that he might have if he needs to justify his obscene remuneration.

You're right we do need the board to provide a succession plan, but in the meantime it should be holding him to account for our very obvious decline on the park under his stewardship not telling us we've got a great Chief Executive because the balance sheet is great and other clubs want him.
I am not suggesting for a minute its a great state of affairs. It isn't. It is intangible, soft power that may produce (if anything) benefits that are so far rather elusive for either Celtic or Scotland, or clubs/countries like ours.

It has no effective time frame for delivery as it is open ended, and the only real result will be whether it is revealed that the CL in 2017-2020 looks a lot like what it did for 2013-2016.

But there is a surely a doomsday scenario that has us looking in from outside? With a leaderless UEFA, the vacuum clearly exists for those wanting a closed shop to have more influence. Bear in mind that the interim President is a Spanish guy who's proved to be quite acquiescent to Real Madrid and Barcelona before (as RFEF President they were allowed to conclude their own TV deals and the chasm between them and the rest financially has simply widened). Surely then, having more Dutch, Czech, Polish, Belgian or Scottish people at the table is better than a carve up between Rummenigge's chums?

As for a regional league, it's no more than a well considered hunch that there are some moves here, despite the quiet that has since descended. I think it's massively complicated to achieve and still odds against to be delivered. If it is futile, it shouldn't really feature in any estimation on what needs done after 13 years of Lawwell.

He can't keep going in perpetuity on the iffy promise that something might be happening, and then it doesn't. I am not suggesting for one minute that he does. The Board will likely know more and will need to consider this when deciding what to do with him.

A new football strategy that ups the ante financially for a manager of clout and two or three significant recruits is what most of us would settle for, all under a new CEO and/or DOF that split no more than half of Lawwell's £1m p.a. remuneration.

But in that succession plan if there was any way we could keep Lawwell's ability to sit on these groups to our potential benefit for a period following his removal, I'd consider this to be desirable, if not entirely realistic.
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Latest from Phil, apropos stuff.
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So the Board got upset at POTY last night ! Obviously beelin from earlier Banners too !

The Mire CSC ‏@TheMireCSC2002 10m10 minutes ago

Security sent to the @GovanEmerald table last night. Bid cancelled and tablet removed from the table. Board didn't like it.

Sack The Board


https://twitter.com/CollectCelticFC/status/724506125522067456
Edited by tenerifetim, 25 Apr 2016, 01:28 PM.
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25 Apr 2016, 01:25 PM
Bid cancelled and tablet removed from the table. Board didn't like it.


who was the provider of this tablet? too sugary? or too soft, so more like fudge? we need to know. :arrr:
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25 Apr 2016, 01:25 PM
Bid cancelled and tablet removed from the table. Board didn't like it.


who was the provider of this tablet? too sugary? or too soft, so more like fudge? we need to know. :arrr:
https://twitter.com/CollectCelticFC/status/724506125522067456
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25 Apr 2016, 01:09 PM
Three senior players named as acting like spoiled children. Commons obviously one, who would the other two be? Johansen? :ponder:
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25 Apr 2016, 01:27 PM
tenerifetim
25 Apr 2016, 01:25 PM
Bid cancelled and tablet removed from the table. Board didn't like it.


who was the provider of this tablet? too sugary? or too soft, so more like fudge? we need to know. :arrr:
https://twitter.com/CollectCelticFC/status/724506125522067456
:lmao: :lmao:
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25 Apr 2016, 01:09 PM
Three senior players named as acting like spoiled children. Commons obviously one, who would the other two be? Johansen? :ponder:
Brown and Mulgrew was my guess.
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Three senior players named as acting like spoiled children. Commons obviously one, who would the other two be? Johansen? :ponder:
What a load of pish :lol:
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25 Apr 2016, 01:09 PM
Sorry but I find it hard to believe that DD has only just suddenly realised that we've been spending money on dross and downsizing over the last few years
Whether it's Phil or his "source" trying to make DD look like he's only just realised what a slump the club is in and has rode into town to tell a few home truths and get things sorted out this piece just doesn't ring true
Also the poisoned chalice stuff reeks of us being softened up for an uninspiring appointment because "nobody wants the job"
If DD feels PL is overstepping the mark he tells him to back off and let the new manager run the team (and also sanction a little money for new players) then the job would stop being a poisoned chalice

Just feels like arse covering at the highest level through planted "sources"
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So the Board got upset at POTY last night ! Obviously beelin from earlier Banners too !

The Mire CSC þ@TheMireCSC2002 10m10 minutes ago

Security sent to the @GovanEmerald table last night. Bid cancelled and tablet removed from the table. Board didn't like it.

Sack The Board


https://twitter.com/CollectCelticFC/status/724506125522067456
Love it
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Three senior players named as acting like spoiled children. Commons obviously one, who would the other two be? Johansen? :ponder:
What a load of pish :lol:
Commons being one or Phil's claims? If the latter then aye, it usually is.
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Heated driveways and raised temperatures
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Three senior players named as acting like spoiled children. Commons obviously one, who would the other two be? Johansen? :ponder:
Brown and Mulgrew was my guess.
Lennon's old guard :lol:
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ultimately, DD is the problem. Why he would give Lawwell pelters for successfully implementing his strategies is an odd one, but I guess that's the privilege of being head honcho.
The sooner DD fecks off, the better. On the proviso he takes Lawwell with him.
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SPLOB is now serving the same function for DD as Jock (feckin) Broon did for Fergus towards the end of his (Broons) tenure.

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This comedy of errors must end soon, because otherwise it's gonna morph into Greek Tragedy.
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