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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,991 Views)
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fatboab
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31 Jul 2014, 07:45 PM
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Does Dermot Desmond even like football?
Golf, hurling and fencing. And money. Lots of money.
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31 Jul 2014, 07:49 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 08:01 PM
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31 Jul 2014, 08:01 PM
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Maybe we're not spending because we're saving up for a rainy day. The rainy day being next summer when there could be a new big (over)spending rival for the 2015/16 league.
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31 Jul 2014, 08:02 PM
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Is Celtic just not attractive enough to 'big name players'? Champions league yes, but look at all the other shampoo we have to deal with on a week by week basis.
definitely not. thats the only real sympathy i have with the board. i dont think its as simple as saying theres 4m go get a quality striker. it must be torture trying to attract any kind of decent players here right now
No efffin surprise. The Larsson/Sutton to Jvoh/McDonald and now Griffiths/Pukki shows a clear spiral from quality to guff. We can do the same with the midfield and also the defence. (The only thing being perhaps this teams defence is better than Strachans) 10 years ago, 5 years ago we had a great European record, a mental amount of home games unbeaten and a full stadium more often than not. I paid money to watch those teams, I haven't been for a couple of years because tbh who wants to watch a team made up of Championship misfits and who's who of who?? There are plenty of diehards fuelling Lawwell's pocket. Fair play to them. It won't be me. Sign some efffin talent, get fans excited and stick a team on the pitch worthy of the support. The best thing that could happen to us, is that some arse actually ploughs money into the huns to give us a challenge. I said before, when that happens, we will spend. 10 years ago we had a wage bill that was better than all but top 4 of the premiership
times have changed and its not all celtics fault
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31 Jul 2014, 08:04 PM
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It would be mentioned far less if we were good, once the conversation is open folk like to toss it in. Its like when folk used to mention scott browns wages at every turn when their issue was his performances. Never mentioned now.
A terrible example. Brown's performances are obviously 100% relevant to any discussion about his wages, it's his performances that determine whether he deserves his wages or not. - Quote:
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Or maybe they are football fans and dont like to kid on they are some sort of social warrior on internet forums
And I'd like to take issue with this comment as well, it shows you for the numpty you are. Are you suggesting that football fans shouldn't be concerned about any other social issues - people living in poverty for example? I assume that you're not stupid enough to be suggesting that. Based on that assumption, it's only logical to suggest that some Celtic fans are concerned about folk living in poverty. Now if the Celtic board, decision makers at an organisation that Celtic fans feel a very close affinity with, decide not to help out some folk who are classed as living in povery(I'm talking about voting against paying the living wage here), when they easily could help these folk out, some of these Celtic fans who care about those living in poverty are likely to be aggrieved/annoyed/disappointed/frustrated at the people taking this decision. Or maybe we're just annoyed because we got beat 4-1 last night... Stopped at the name calling, no point reading the rest
Power to the people.....this week
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dr mueller
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31 Jul 2014, 08:05 PM
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No efffin surprise. The Larsson/Sutton to Jvoh/McDonald and now Griffiths/Pukki shows a clear spiral from quality to guff. We can do the same with the midfield and also the defence. (The only thing being perhaps this teams defence is better than Strachans) 10 years ago, 5 years ago we had a great European record, a mental amount of home games unbeaten and a full stadium more often than not. I paid money to watch those teams, I haven't been for a couple of years because tbh who wants to watch a team made up of Championship misfits and who's who of who?? There are plenty of diehards fuelling Lawwell's pocket. Fair play to them. It won't be me. Sign some efffin talent, get fans excited and stick a team on the pitch worthy of the support. The best thing that could happen to us, is that some arse actually ploughs money into the huns to give us a challenge. I said before, when that happens, we will spend.
10 years ago we had a wage bill that was better than all but top 4 of the premiership times have changed and its not all celtics fault
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fatboab
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31 Jul 2014, 08:09 PM
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Maybe we're not spending because we're saving up for a rainy day. The rainy day being next summer when there could be a new big (over)spending rival for the 2015/16 league. By gosh, that's it
Rather than invest over a prolonged period and have a good team regularly competing in the CL groups, we have cleverly saved all our cash to see off some unknown opponent who may or may not be in the same League as us next season. Lawwell really is a shrewd one.
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31 Jul 2014, 08:11 PM
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10 years ago we had a wage bill that was better than all but top 4 of the premiership times have changed and its not all celtics fault Its celtics fault that we don't have a half decent striker at the club.
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dr mueller
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31 Jul 2014, 08:12 PM
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Its celtics fault that we don't have a half decent striker at the club. Obviously. He did say "not all".
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31 Jul 2014, 08:18 PM
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A terrible example. Brown's performances are obviously 100% relevant to any discussion about his wages, it's his performances that determine whether he deserves his wages or not. - Quote:
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Or maybe they are football fans and dont like to kid on they are some sort of social warrior on internet forums
And I'd like to take issue with this comment as well, it shows you for the numpty you are. Are you suggesting that football fans shouldn't be concerned about any other social issues - people living in poverty for example? I assume that you're not stupid enough to be suggesting that. Based on that assumption, it's only logical to suggest that some Celtic fans are concerned about folk living in poverty. Now if the Celtic board, decision makers at an organisation that Celtic fans feel a very close affinity with, decide not to help out some folk who are classed as living in povery(I'm talking about voting against paying the living wage here), when they easily could help these folk out, some of these Celtic fans who care about those living in poverty are likely to be aggrieved/annoyed/disappointed/frustrated at the people taking this decision. Or maybe we're just annoyed because we got beat 4-1 last night...
Stopped at the name calling, no point reading the rest Power to the people.....this week Name calling?
Oh you mean numpty? Are you really gonna call that name calling?
And you probably read the rest, realised I was right and tried to use the 'name calling' as a convenient excuse.
Nice try, though.
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31 Jul 2014, 08:21 PM
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- fatboab
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Maybe we're not spending because we're saving up for a rainy day. The rainy day being next summer when there could be a new big (over)spending rival for the 2015/16 league.
By gosh, that's it Rather than invest over a prolonged period and have a good team regularly competing in the CL groups, we have cleverly saved all our cash to see off some unknown opponent who may or may not be in the same League as us next season. Lawwell really is a shrewd one. A plan so 'cunning' that Baldrick would baulk at it
If they did go down that road, they will lose thousands of paying punters, and when folk get out of the habit of going to the games it's difficult to get them back in.
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31 Jul 2014, 08:30 PM
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- 31 Jul 2014, 07:21 PM
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Yes of course it's the fault of the diehard for continuing to support the team! What is the alternative? Don't support the team and watch us get progressively worse. Unless we move to the EPL we won't ever see another signing from a top team in england at the kind of price sutton was. Appreciate a bit of a catch 22 regarding those who buy season tickets however the signing of Pukki is simply a poor quality signing and wasn't cheap. Griffiths i can actually (personality/character aside) see was worth a punt but if you want to look closer at the reason where we are just now then i don't think the solution is for the current 40-45k of fans to turn the back on the club. I can kind of see where you are coming from about making the board take notice but sounds more like you are trying to excuse your own glory hunting than actually supporting the team. The guys i know and sit beside don't give a feck about the huns in whatever form they want to present themselves.
Nowt to do with my 'glory hunting' I wouldn't spend my hard earned on watching what's on offer. Others will, and I applaud them.. 'through thick and thin' and all that. Dunno bout you, or your family/mates but here's an honest rundown of those who have/are season book holders in my close family. Auld man/is has been since dot. Sis. Was/now only holds books for purpose of getting her two boys to see the matches. Bro-in-law. Was for years, cancelled last year Uncle. as above Two cousins. As above Bro. (Has a book but stays in Donegal so cant make a fair chunk of games) Me? There's always spares or mates not using, so why I would fork out for a SB at £££'s per year is a bit daft. Have you managed to miss that attendances are down? They can count SB holders for attendances of they like but attendances have gradually tapered away over the past few years. The upper stand closure should be a sign that not all is well. Did that ever happen under Strachan or O'Neil? Anyway, my argument is so simple I'm surprised it's passed you by. Quality on pitch = interest from the fans. Pish on the pitch = stay away fans. You will always have a hardcore of fans but of the family members I mentioned above, some of them had been regulars for over 20 years. I would have considered them amongst your hardcore. More often than not, they will pick and choose games, or go to away/European matches. Would they buys books if the quality was on offer? Who know's but the fact that for the first time in decades they haven't renewed, says it all to me. Lawwell is ripping the pish out of the fans. It's that simple. Your argument hasn't passed me by. Spend loadsa money and fans who otherwise can't be arsed will attend. Fits the bill of glory hunter if you ask me. If your original argument had been about the quality of performance or lack of it on the pitch then that would be valid but instead you talked of big name signings. Our spending under O'Neill wasn't ever going to be sustainable particularly under the current economic climate and tv deal in Scotland.
Yes the Celtic board are taking the piss out the fans but the reality is that 45k is probably a more accurate reflection of the fan base than what we had early 2000's driven by big signings and floating fans who as it turns out can take it or leave it. Perhaps if we did fill the stadium week in week out then the quality of player and signing would improve but seems a lot of fans don't have the appetite for it anymore..........
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31 Jul 2014, 08:30 PM
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Its celtics fault that we don't have a half decent striker at the club. 10m profit last year.
14m profit the year before.
No debt.
This money was not reinvested in the team. This money could have gone towards bringing in some reasonable quality/experienced replacements of a sufficient standard. We should be breaking even financially while providing the supporters as much entertainment as possible.
If anyone thinks there is some sort of rainy day fund they are kidding themselves. When the huns return it will be the same old.........spend as little money as possible and do the bare minimum.
Really disappointing stuff.
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31 Jul 2014, 08:32 PM
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Its celtics fault that we don't have a half decent striker at the club.
10m profit last year. 14m profit the year before. No debt. This money was not reinvested in the team. This money could have gone towards bringing in some reasonable quality/experienced replacements of a sufficient standard. We should be breaking even financially while providing the supporters as much entertainment as possible. If anyone thinks there is some sort of rainy day fund they are kidding themselves. When the huns return it will be the same old.........spend as little money as possible and do the bare minimum. Really disappointing stuff. the money is reinvested in the team. probably spent about 10m last year and the rest goes toward our massive wage bill.
questioning the way the money is used is a fairer point
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Mubo Loravcik
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31 Jul 2014, 08:36 PM
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10m profit last year. 14m profit the year before. No debt. This money was not reinvested in the team. This money could have gone towards bringing in some reasonable quality/experienced replacements of a sufficient standard. We should be breaking even financially while providing the supporters as much entertainment as possible. If anyone thinks there is some sort of rainy day fund they are kidding themselves. When the huns return it will be the same old.........spend as little money as possible and do the bare minimum. Really disappointing stuff.
the money is reinvested in the team. probably spent about 10m last year and the rest goes toward our massive wage bill. questioning the way the money is used is a fairer point How much did we collectively spend on transfer fees last summer, in comparison to what we took in for player sales?
Just to remind you, the following players were signed:
Virgil Van Dijk, Steven Mouyokolo, Nir Biton, Derk Boerrigter, Teemu Pukki and Amido Balde.
The following players were sold:
Victor Wanyama, Gary Hooper, Kelvin Wilson, Thomas Rogne, Paddy McCourt and Daryl Murphy.
Then try and tell me the money was 100% reinvested into the playing side of the football club.
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31 Jul 2014, 08:38 PM
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10m profit last year. 14m profit the year before. No debt. This money was not reinvested in the team. This money could have gone towards bringing in some reasonable quality/experienced replacements of a sufficient standard. We should be breaking even financially while providing the supporters as much entertainment as possible. If anyone thinks there is some sort of rainy day fund they are kidding themselves. When the huns return it will be the same old.........spend as little money as possible and do the bare minimum. Really disappointing stuff.
the money is reinvested in the team. probably spent about 10m last year and the rest goes toward our massive wage bill. questioning the way the money is used is a fairer point How much money has went towards completely wiping off the debt in the last few years ? In what way is that an investment in the team ? I'm no expert but what is the need to completely wipe off any debt that we have, surely if it's manageable we don't need to clear it all off ?
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31 Jul 2014, 08:38 PM
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Nowt to do with my 'glory hunting' I wouldn't spend my hard earned on watching what's on offer. Others will, and I applaud them.. 'through thick and thin' and all that. Dunno bout you, or your family/mates but here's an honest rundown of those who have/are season book holders in my close family. Auld man/is has been since dot. Sis. Was/now only holds books for purpose of getting her two boys to see the matches. Bro-in-law. Was for years, cancelled last year Uncle. as above Two cousins. As above Bro. (Has a book but stays in Donegal so cant make a fair chunk of games) Me? There's always spares or mates not using, so why I would fork out for a SB at £££'s per year is a bit daft. Have you managed to miss that attendances are down? They can count SB holders for attendances of they like but attendances have gradually tapered away over the past few years. The upper stand closure should be a sign that not all is well. Did that ever happen under Strachan or O'Neil? Anyway, my argument is so simple I'm surprised it's passed you by. Quality on pitch = interest from the fans. Pish on the pitch = stay away fans. You will always have a hardcore of fans but of the family members I mentioned above, some of them had been regulars for over 20 years. I would have considered them amongst your hardcore. More often than not, they will pick and choose games, or go to away/European matches. Would they buys books if the quality was on offer? Who know's but the fact that for the first time in decades they haven't renewed, says it all to me. Lawwell is ripping the pish out of the fans. It's that simple.
Your argument hasn't passed me by. Spend loadsa money and fans who otherwise can't be arsed will attend. Fits the bill of glory hunter if you ask me. If your original argument had been about the quality of performance or lack of it on the pitch then that would be valid but instead you talked of big name signings. Our spending under O'Neill wasn't ever going to be sustainable particularly under the current economic climate and tv deal in Scotland. Yes the Celtic board are taking the piss out the fans but the reality is that 45k is probably a more accurate reflection of the fan base than what we had early 2000's driven by big signings and floating fans who as it turns out can take it or leave it. Perhaps if we did fill the stadium week in week out then the quality of player and signing would improve but seems a lot of fans don't have the appetite for it anymore..........
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31 Jul 2014, 08:39 PM
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10m profit last year. 14m profit the year before. No debt. This money was not reinvested in the team. This money could have gone towards bringing in some reasonable quality/experienced replacements of a sufficient standard. We should be breaking even financially while providing the supporters as much entertainment as possible. If anyone thinks there is some sort of rainy day fund they are kidding themselves. When the huns return it will be the same old.........spend as little money as possible and do the bare minimum. Really disappointing stuff.
the money is reinvested in the team. probably spent about 10m last year and the rest goes toward our massive wage bill. questioning the way the money is used is a fairer point I was talking profit from the last 2 year end results. Player sales and purchases are already taken into account. I suspect we will sell VVD, FF have a reasonable Europa run and will post a healthy profit yet again next year.
We do not have a massive wage bill by any means. Our wage bill in comparison to turnover is very healthy. Is our wage bill not around 50% of our turnover???? Even 60-70% is considered healthy.
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31 Jul 2014, 08:39 PM
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10m profit last year. 14m profit the year before. No debt. This money was not reinvested in the team. This money could have gone towards bringing in some reasonable quality/experienced replacements of a sufficient standard. We should be breaking even financially while providing the supporters as much entertainment as possible. If anyone thinks there is some sort of rainy day fund they are kidding themselves. When the huns return it will be the same old.........spend as little money as possible and do the bare minimum. Really disappointing stuff.
the money is reinvested in the team. probably spent about 10m last year and the rest goes toward our massive wage bill. questioning the way the money is used is a fairer point yep.
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